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Rob.Wilson

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Bench vice jaws
« on: February 10, 2013, 12:59:17 PM »
Afternoon lads .

Well I found a wee project to mess about with , something that has bugged me for the passed 20 years  :lol: , the jaws in my #5 Record bench vice .

There fooking  crap for holding  finished parts , great for destroying the look of a freshly made part . :lol:



So you end up fitting soft jaws ,

AND there just as crap ,they fall off if you fart in there direction ,you cant grip thin work on the very edges .

The rap around type are just as bad , and the magnetic ones ,well all they do is attract the fillings  :palm: , and the real problem with soft jaws is there soft , fillings get embedded in the soft material and scratch the job  :(


So my plan is make a set of hardened and ground jaws .

Work so far today .

A set with vertical vee's


A set with HZ step and vee's of different sizes 



A plane faced set with pin holes in top face


and because undoing screws every time in need to change the jaws is too much like hard work , I am making them quick change .




Rob

 Edit :  above still need hardening
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Re: Bench vice jaws
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2013, 01:59:13 PM »
Evening Rob.

Another masterful RW production! :thumbup:  :bow: :clap:

 :drool: :drool:

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Re: Bench vice jaws
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2013, 02:27:13 PM »
Love the Quick change idea Rob simple really, Why the chrome plating though lol.
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Re: Bench vice jaws
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2013, 02:41:48 PM »
Now...... That's cute, Rob!  :bugeye:

Blummin good thinking, all the way through.  :clap: :clap:

Well done!  :thumbup:

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Re: Bench vice jaws
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2013, 03:01:21 PM »
Nice very nice :thumbup: :thumbup: :bow: :bow:
You are not joking about the jaw protectors falling off at the slightest chance  :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Bench vice jaws
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2013, 03:22:32 PM »
Quote from: RobWilson on February 10, 2013, 12:59:17 PM
Afternoon lads .
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and because undoing screws every time in need to change the jaws is too much like hard work , I am making them quick change .
.....
Rob

They just drop in place over tophat or you have a cunning plan to tighten them?

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Re: Bench vice jaws
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2013, 03:24:50 PM »
Thanks Lads  :beer:


Spot on Pekka  :thumbup: they will just drop in place over top hat screws ,,,,,,,,,,, nice and simple  :med:




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Re: Bench vice jaws
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2013, 03:41:02 PM »
I have just surface ground the grip hatch pattern off mine, now hard and smooth and just give a quick clean up lick every now and again.
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Re: Bench vice jaws
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2013, 03:43:03 PM »
I just wish i could machine something that the vice would mark
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Re: Bench vice jaws
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2013, 03:47:01 PM »
Sticky Dots  :thumbup:
 
Shove 'em in the recesses where the c/s screws are.
 
They fail after a couple of months so just stuff some more in.
 
Fartproof .. or I assume they are. I was brought up to be polite and I go out of the shop when I need to yield a rasper.
 
Geordies may well have different practices ... :palm:
 
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Re: Bench vice jaws
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2013, 03:56:27 PM »
Really nice idea Rob  :thumbup:

Looking at the set, something tells me that it might be useful to put a thread in some of the holes in the "Swiss cheese jaws". Something like 6 to 8 mm (1/4" to 5/16"). Would act as the fourth hand that always is missing ...

BR

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Re: Bench vice jaws
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2013, 04:03:30 PM »
Quote from: John Stevenson on February 10, 2013, 03:41:02 PM
I have just surface ground the grip hatch pattern off mine, now hard and smooth and just give a quick clean up lick every now and again.

I thought about doing just that John ,,,,,,,but thought sod it why not make the vice a bit more user friendly  :med:


 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Dave ,,,,,,,, Geordies have different practices ,something to do with the beer  :Doh:

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Re: Bench vice jaws
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2013, 04:05:56 PM »
Hi Peter

There will be hardened pins going into those holes  :dremel:


Rob


 
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Re: Bench vice jaws
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2013, 04:11:30 PM »
 :bow:
Just got myself an old Record No.3 yesterday... your jaws look great.  On the list of things to do!
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Re: Bench vice jaws
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2013, 05:25:05 PM »
Quote from: raynerd on February 10, 2013, 04:11:30 PM
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Just got myself an old Record No.3 yesterday... your jaws look great.  On the list of things to do!

I still use the same Record No 3 that I bought with my first weeks wages in 1967 !!!!!!
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Re: Bench vice jaws
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2013, 05:52:24 PM »
Bloody brill those Rob, Bloody brill, :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: The only very small point i would question is the hardened pins !!!  I have visions of a tad too tight and half a pin flying of into the great unknown leaving the bottom of the workpiece very scratched on the remains of the half left in the jaw.  Based on previous encounters with broken pins.

Cheers Dek.

P.S. The broken bit would also be a pig to remove.  Still a bloody brill idea, i will even hold back work on the clock to make some. :ddb: :ddb: :ddb:
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Re: Bench vice jaws
« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2013, 06:45:08 PM »
 Top marks Rob , a simple but cunning idea  :) as usual all done to top standard  :bow: :bow: :drool: :drool: ...............looks like another thing for the to do list  :palm: , probably one of the most worthwhile as the vice is always in use  :thumbup:
  Cheers for posting Mick. :beer:
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Re: Bench vice jaws
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2013, 07:31:47 PM »
Oh great!  Now I have another project to add to my to do list.  :doh:
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Re: Bench vice jaws
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2013, 11:16:47 PM »
Hi Rob,
Almost up to your usual standard. :beer:


I sent you a email on 03-Feb-2013 did you receive it...................... :offtopic:

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Re: Bench vice jaws
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2013, 03:38:15 AM »
very nice rob good idea.once you have the mill set up its just as easy to make 4 or 5 sets of each,say for me,jhon,mick,and bob.  :wave:
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Re: Bench vice jaws
« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2013, 03:02:36 PM »
Cheers Lads  :)


Hi Dek ,,,,,,, I did ponder that very problem (sheared off pin ), I think I may have it covered in my pin design  :smart:

The pins are a light push fit in the holes and I also wanted to add some flexibility into the pins , guaranteed they will be too long /too short for the job in hand , so I am making them adjustable  :med:




From 1 mm


to 6mm


being threaded to a depth of 1 mm from the top if i shear one I can screw a screw in from the top and extract it  :dremel:

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i will even hold back work on the clock to make some
   :Doh:  dont stop the clock build  :poke:


Rob
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Re: Bench vice jaws
« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2013, 03:25:15 PM »
You could always take the holes all the way through at a smaller diameter, Rob. Then sheared pins could be pushed out from below. Too late if the jaws have already been hardened.

I too have a Record no 5, and I think I'll follow your lead. I also have a 3" Record. I reversed the jaws on that one, with thin Ally pads to "absorb" the serrations. It's good for holding flat stuff without marking it.

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Re: Bench vice jaws
« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2013, 03:34:34 PM »
Quote from: RobWilson on February 11, 2013, 03:02:36 PM
Cheers Lads  :)


Hi Dek ,,,,,,, I did ponder that very problem (sheared off pin ), I think I may have it covered in my pin design  :smart:

The pins are a light push fit in the holes and I also wanted to add some flexibility into the pins , guaranteed they will be too long /too short for the job in hand , so I am making them adjustable  :med:




From 1 mm


to 6mm


being threaded to a depth of 1 mm from the top if i shear one I can screw a screw in from the top and extract it  :dremel:

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i will even hold back work on the clock to make some
   :Doh:  dont stop the clock build  :poke:


Rob

If you look real close you can see machine marks on the pictures
 (look like they have been fly cut) :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Bench vice jaws
« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2013, 03:45:45 PM »
Hi Andy


Yes , I did consider doing that too  :thumbup:   I also have an unusual vice I picked up on Ebay for a couple of quid .





It has some nice features , anyway if i mount it directly to the bench it would be way to low for me , so i am going to make a plate   to mount the vice in the larger vice .



which will bring it up to a better working high for me .   Any of you lads recognize the vice ?   no makers name on it .


Rob
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Re: Bench vice jaws
« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2013, 06:53:15 PM »
Sweet solution to an old problem Rob  :clap:   


I was chatting to Dek today and he described the vice jaws. Very good idea.  :thumbup:

 I'm sure it'll be copied a great deal (shame about the lack of royalties!  Watch some bugger rob the design like they did the ball turners! )





Oh, BTW... Fancy delaying Dek's work on the super clock! :wack:  (don't know it's official title?)

The clock is nothing short of a work of genius :smart:   Took me a good few min's to understand the inner workings  :borg:  As much as I want one, there is no way I'm going to attempt to build one, I ain't that good! or patient  :)   









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