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Casting a Bicycle Bell
« on: November 27, 2010, 08:26:31 PM »
I'm thinking of making a bronze bell for my Penny Farthing that will kind of fit the antique theme that I have going. This little project will let me do a couple things that I have wanted to do. Mainly cast a bell. For some reason I have always wanted to do that? This way I will have a use for it. I will get some more experience in pattern making.  And hopefully have a useful device when done.

Doing some research on such things, I found a couple that I like. Here are some pictures I found on a German site.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/Powderkeg3418/Penny%20Farthing/Ideas/waffenrad_3129069_gabel.jpgCasting a Bicycle Bell

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/Powderkeg3418/Penny%20Farthing/Ideas/herrenfahrrad_waffenrad_vorderansicht_gr-1.jpgCasting a Bicycle Bell

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/Powderkeg3418/Penny%20Farthing/Ideas/herrenfahrrad_waffenrad_rundlaufglocke_gr.jpgCasting a Bicycle Bell

I plan on making it an ornate bell. Like this pattern with out the letters.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/Powderkeg3418/Penny%20Farthing/Ideas/bikebell1.jpgCasting a Bicycle Bell

I think I'll start gluing up some wood for a pattern tomorrow.

So, I'm thinking about casting the bell with the ornate side down and poring through a sprew in the center. Kind of like an upside down umbrella. That should work, Right?

Later, Wes
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Re: Casting a Bicycle Bell
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2010, 09:09:57 PM »
After doing a little research, I noticed that most bells are cast right side up. I'm thinking so that the liquid metal doesn't "wash" away the sand? Thoughts?
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Re: Casting a Bicycle Bell
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2010, 10:02:47 PM »
Want to see this done. I don't cast, so I can't help... Maybe Rob can?

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Re: Casting a Bicycle Bell
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2010, 01:24:28 AM »
Thats an interesting bell set up Wes I take it the tyre bobbles activate the bell when the little wheel is moved into contact.

Thats a nice lap as well will that be next  :proj:

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Re: Casting a Bicycle Bell
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2010, 06:12:19 AM »
Hi Wes


Never cast a bell myself ,,,, so i am interested to see how this works out  :thumbup:

I would go for this way
 

This way has problems


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Re: Casting a Bicycle Bell
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2010, 10:11:24 AM »
I hadn't thought of removing the sprue (yet:o) It would have come to me at some point though :med:

I have some Poplar that I'm going to use. I'm thinking of gluing up 2 or 3 layers. I think this way the grains will be going different directions and will help minimize pattern warpage. I really like poplar because the hard and soft grains are about the same.

I'm thinking that I'll make the wall thickness about 3/16" I don't really have anything to go on as far as how thickness will affect the tone of the bell. So It might be a little hit and miss?

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Re: Casting a Bicycle Bell
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2010, 12:47:10 PM »
I suspect the thicker the bell, the shorter (& quieter?) the ring. Unless you plan to carry a small hammer with you to hit it with of course! I've seen them tune church bells by shaving off metal around the lip, I imagine your tuning method would be similar.
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Re: Casting a Bicycle Bell
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2010, 01:52:23 PM »
For something that small, thinner is better.  Thicker will be sort of flat, unless you really whack it.
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Re: Casting a Bicycle Bell
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2010, 02:31:41 PM »
I think they cast bells on the thick side ,,, then machine the inside to get the correct note .

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Re: Casting a Bicycle Bell
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2010, 07:11:28 PM »
Well I managed to get a little done today. I cut out some wood circles and glued them togather.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/Powderkeg3418/Penny%20Farthing/Bicycle%20bell/Pennyfarthing025-1.jpgCasting a Bicycle Bell

After a while the glue dried and I was able to start turning. I roughed out one side and turned a little stub to hold onto.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/Powderkeg3418/Penny%20Farthing/Bicycle%20bell/Pennyfarthing026-1.jpgCasting a Bicycle Bell

I then drilled the pattern a little short of the depth I am aiming for.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/Powderkeg3418/Penny%20Farthing/Bicycle%20bell/Pennyfarthing027-1.jpgCasting a Bicycle Bell

I then hogged a little of the wood out of the center.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/Powderkeg3418/Penny%20Farthing/Bicycle%20bell/Pennyfarthing028-1.jpgCasting a Bicycle Bell

I stopped here. I need to make a couple templates to machine the wood to. I'm thinking about making it slightly thick. That will pore better. I will then machine some of the thickness out of the inside to tune it. That's my plan anyway. Thanks for the input.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/Powderkeg3418/Smilies/headgear30-Copy.gifCasting a Bicycle Bell
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Re: Casting a Bicycle Bell
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2010, 11:57:25 PM »
This looks familiar. I did some wood turning on my metal lathe, it works well, but what a mess!  It convinced me to buy a wood lathe for the wood stuff (actually that was my excuse for more tools).  I'll be watching how this turns out since I too have always wanted have a go at casting a bell!
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Re: Casting a Bicycle Bell
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2010, 02:09:06 AM »
Love how the original is tyre powered.......   :clap:

What a crackin' project!  :bow:

Good luck Wes! :thumbup:

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Re: Casting a Bicycle Bell
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2010, 04:43:17 PM »
Got some shop time today. I need my lathe back, so I finished the bell pattern.  I drew up a template. It worked better than I thought. Here I roughed out the inside and a little/lot sanding later. It fit pretty nice.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/Powderkeg3418/Penny%20Farthing/Bicycle%20bell/Pennyfarthing029.jpgCasting a Bicycle Bell

Same with the outside. I made a little arbor that the pattern is bolted to with a central bolt. I got the thickness down to a little over 1/8" it seams kind of thick? But I was getting some chatter. We'll see if it rings after I cast a couple.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/Powderkeg3418/Penny%20Farthing/Bicycle%20bell/Pennyfarthing030.jpgCasting a Bicycle Bell

Also It will have a thinner wall thickness once I get the outside carved.
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Re: Casting a Bicycle Bell
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2010, 05:46:52 PM »
That is a nice piece of wood turning :bow: :bow: of course you realise the lathe is now contaminated for life :( :( :(

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Re: Casting a Bicycle Bell
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2010, 06:24:16 PM »
This lathe is so old and wore out that a little sawdust is the least of it's worrieshttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/Powderkeg3418/Smilies/smiley-laughing025.gifCasting a Bicycle Bell I think I about have the pattern I'm going to carve on the bell about figured out in my head? We'll see.
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Re: Casting a Bicycle Bell
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2010, 08:12:30 PM »
A little more research and I notice that Bell Bronze seems to have more tin in it than others. 20 percent compared to about 10 percent found in most other bronze. I found some pure tin on Ebay and am thinking of getting it to make my own scrap bronze higher tin content alloyhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/Powderkeg3418/Smilies/headgear30-Copy.gifCasting a Bicycle Bell Might be fun?
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Re: Casting a Bicycle Bell
« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2010, 10:41:23 AM »
Hey Rob, Are you using enough cow Dung in your foundry operation???http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/Powderkeg3418/Smilies/smiley-laughing025.gifCasting a Bicycle Bellhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/Powderkeg3418/Smilies/smiley-laughing025.gifCasting a Bicycle Bellhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/Powderkeg3418/Smilies/smiley-laughing025.gifCasting a Bicycle Bell





This is pretty interesting though. I've had lots of trouble with Bronze and these guys are using cow dung and bees wax and charcoal. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/Powderkeg3418/Smilies/smiley-taunt014.gifCasting a Bicycle Bell Makes me wonder what I'm doing wrong :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Casting a Bicycle Bell
« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2010, 11:06:06 AM »
There is a ton of pretty neat stuff pertaining to bells here. Lots of information.

http://www.russianbells.com/interest/biggest.html

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A Gismo ??? If it has a flywheel or spins and is made with small parts. I'll take one! If it makes noise, moves, or requires frequent oiling and dusting it's a better deal yet. It's especially right if its shiny and bright; but if it's dirty and dull it wont mater at all...

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Re: Casting a Bicycle Bell
« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2010, 02:18:20 PM »
 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I , Wes ,,,,,,,,,,, i can just see the look on the wife's face ,, when i come home with a sack of  cow poo  :doh: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



Great videos  :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :thumbup:  interesting stuff  :med:

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Re: Casting a Bicycle Bell
« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2010, 06:32:26 PM »
I hear meadow muffins are where the casting trade is headed, Wes.  You gotta follow the experts!  ; )
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Re: Casting a Bicycle Bell
« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2010, 06:32:07 PM »
Interesting videos  :thumbup: :thumbup:
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Re: Casting a Bicycle Bell
« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2010, 07:19:49 PM »
I hear meadow muffins are where the casting trade is headed, Wes.  You gotta follow the experts!  ; )

Or, spade in hand, follow the cattle......

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