Stevenson Indexer

[sbwhart]

At the midlands show I picked up a Stevenson Indexer from Arc Euro.

Stevenson Indexer

It comes complete with an Adaptor to convert it from C4 Collet to ER32 collet use.

Stevenson Indexer

It comes with a dividing plate with 36 holes and a clever vernier indexing system that alows you to index 10 deg between each hole giving you 360 deg indexing.

Stevenson Indexer

Before I gave it a go I stripped it down, which was easy, and gave it a good clean.

I made some parts that required hex heads on them I could have bought some hex bar but I had plenty of round bar available, so I simply used the indexer to mill the hex, it was easy to set up and use. One of the parts also needed a hole crossdrilling, I used the indexer to hold the part whilst I did this.

Stevenson Indexer

Stevenson Indexer

These are the nuts I made far more cost effective than buying 12" bar and only using 1" of it

Stevenson Indexer

I think this will be a usful adition to my kit.

Have fun

Stew

[Darren]

Lovely,

I want, I want ...... 

I can see a bid of modding coming here, no holes to fix it to the bed by 

Best see Bogs before doing anything to it, 

I'm thinking we need a way to plonk it on the mill and it to be set squarly every time with minimal fuss.
A key slot in the base should do it?

[raynerd]

I was looking at these a bit ago. Just curious, what are the advantages of these if you already have a RT - just a quicker setup with quicker divisions?

Chris

[sbwhart]

I was looking at these a bit ago. Just curious, what are the advantages of these if you already have a RT - just a quicker setup with quicker divisions?

Chris

Yes:-  you answered your own question there Chris  but it hasn't got the same range of divisions as an RT

Stew

[sbwhart]

Lovely,

I want, I want ...... 

I can see a bid of modding coming here, no holes to fix it to the bed by 

Best see Bogs before doing anything to it, 

I'm thinking we need a way to plonk it on the mill and it to be set squarly every time with minimal fuss.
A key slot in the base should do it?

   Just bin round Johns ment to have a look at his indexer but just plumb forgot:- ho well next time.

Stew

[jim]

i think the only advantage a rotary table would have for me, is being able to mill rads.

i like the ability to index 360 deg

i can't find it on ARC site

[sbwhart]

Her you go

http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Collets/5C-Fixtures

Stew

[bogstandard]

To save you the trouble Stew, here is a post I did about mine.

http://www.homemodelenginemachinist.com/index.php?topic=2681.0



Bogs

[sbwhart]

Thanks John

Just what I wanted

Stew

[jim]

thanks

not a bad price

[NickG]

Stew,

Good stuff, pretty reasonable price too. How did you work out how much to take off the round stock? Did you start on centre then move quill up until it was half of the size you wanted above centre height?

Nick

[jim]

i do it the other way round, ie, touch on bar, say 20mm dia, if going for 13mm A/F, bring down 3.5mm

[sbwhart]

hi Nick

I used the formula Flats of Hex * 1.155 = Dia

Then I just turned the bar up to required dia.

To mill the hex I just tuched on the bar then put a cut on 1/2 the value of Dia - Flats

That was it your only after a fit on your spanner.

Cheers

Stew

[mklotz]

How did you work out how much to take off the round stock? Did you start on centre then move quill up until it was half of the size you wanted above centre height?

The program TENON on my page will calculate the depth-of-cut needed to cut any regular polygonal tenon on the end of a piece of cylindrical stock.  It's perhaps overkill for squares and hexagons but handy when you need to cut triangular or pentagonal tenons - and, yes, I've had to do a few of those.

[jim]

i just get a nut and measure across the corners, works for me

i did once use a bit of trig to do it, and, then spent 10 mins looking for a nut to check

[John Stevenson]

I got one like that 

But it finished up getting cobbled about a bit.



John S.

[bogstandard]

Stew,

Living in a country that has had more nut size standards than anywhere else in the world, you have no need to measure anything.

Just cut any size hex on the end, and you are guaranteed to have a spanner in your toolbox that will fit.


John

[CrewCab]

Got to agree Lads, dam good bit of kit for the money  .............. JS .......... why oH why were there no tailstock's left, I hope you can arrange a discount to match the "package price" 

John (BS) I have your thread bookmarked and fully intend trying to follow in your footsteps with the Spindex ............. from my point of view the ER32 collet adaptor is what makes this so useful, 5c is obviously dam good but for my occasional use the ER set up is far more cost effective 

CC

[bogstandard]

Dave,

My mod for the spindex was my want to have it drop into the mill vice onto a couple of parallels, just so that I didn't need to use any clamps at all (talk about lazy or what!) and also be able to hold it at an angle easily.

While I was at it I did the whole lot, so it is good for everything now, as I have square 5c collets as well in my collection.


John

[CrewCab]

And indexed it to the mill table IIRC, ........ excellent thread .......... don't get me wrong about 5C, it's first class tooling but, at the present ER meet my needs.  The 5C has other advantages, as you recently pointed out in another thread regarding clearance plus the available shapes, round, hex and square, no doubt. in time I'll be investing 

CC

[bogstandard]

Dave,

In fact round 5c can hold round, hex and even triangle if you have any. It is to do with the way the slots are positioned, but not for heavy cutting other than for the round.


John

[NickG]

Bogs 

Yes, just keep milling until it doesn't have any rounded corners on the nut!

[sbwhart]

The indexer doesn't come with any handy clamping holes, but I supose the idea is for you to add the holes where you require them. As John as shown the way how to set the indexer up, my next step was to try and follow his methodology but within the constraint of my own equipment, and get the best out of the tool.

First job I checked the indexer over as best I could to see if there were any gross inacuracy in its build, I found it to be very good.

Pic showing me checking the face squarness of the ram, (Note to self you could you use this as a cylinder for checking squareness).

Stevenson Indexer

Then mark the centre line of the spindle onto the base.

Stevenson Indexer

Set it up square in the mill in the X and Y

Stevenson Indexer

Drill some 10mm holes for clamping bolts

Stevenson Indexer

Note use of jacking screws to stop things moving.

Then on the spindle centre line drill and tap two M6 holes

Stevenson Indexer

Then mill up a register bar thats a nice fit in the table slots

Couter boring the holes for the head of the cap screws

Stevenson Indexer

I'm using some cap screws that have thiner head than a normal cap screw (they followed me home  )

Stevenson Indexer

Stevenson Indexer

Setting the register bar up square to the face of the indexer

Stevenson Indexer

Checking the alignment of the spindle and register bar

Stevenson Indexer

Stevenson Indexer

The error was 0.05 mm over 120mm thats good enough for me

Next job as I'm planing to use the indexer on another machine where the register bar will get in the way, set the body up againe in the vice and drill right through the bar into the body so that I can fit two dowel pins in, this way I can take the bar off and put it back in the same place again and still maintain squareness.

Stevenson Indexer

Thats it I can put it on and off my mill with complete confindenc that it will be nice and square.

Stevenson Indexer


Have fun

Stew

[bogstandard]

The problem when I did mine Stew, was that the casting wasn't wide enough to reach the outer t-slots.

So I had to revert to using table clamps for normal work, and machine the base width so that it would fit my vice.

What you have done is perfect for your machines, nice one.


John

[GordTopps]

Hi Stew
I also purchased one of these from Arc.
Plan on doing a similar register bar on mine also.
BTW, do you know what the 'C' spanner that is supplied for ( cannot see anything that it will fit, or what it could be used for) 

I am still trying to get to grips with the usage of the vernier (the instructions are of no use at all). 

I downloaded a pdf document re the phase II spin index, and that is a little better.

Any info from anyone greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance
Gordy