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Cabinets for tooling - restoration
« on: August 12, 2014, 07:53:46 PM »
Hi All , I have aquired some tooling cabinets but in a quite rough state so decided to give them the once over, as usual this has lead to a bigger job than first expected, here is the progress so far.
 The photos are after I have steam cleaned about 30-40-50 years of oily crud off them.

The three cabinets, Grey one far end rough, blue one middle quite rough and the silver one closest not too bad. They are all Versatool cabinets, they seem to go by various names in general. As you can see in the silver cabinet they have swing out shelves, there are boards that fit into the shelf frames with cut outs for collets/ chucks etc, I have shelves and board for all of them. The shelves can also be altered height and gap wise as they fit into the holes on the vertical angle members.




I had got some H/D castors 100KG rating each castor so fitted them to the two tall cabinets, I still need more for the other cabinet, I am trying to get as many things as possible on wheels.




They all have wear and tear issues the worst part being the corners of the blue one, someone has been using the corners as a anvil for removing morse taper tooling probably with a knock out wedge.




The other thing was missing door locking rods and door stays missing to stop the doors opening more than 90 degrees. I got round and flat bar to make replacements.




Forged the ends down



Then bent and shaped the bars to fit.



Seem to do the job ok





Next was the sickening job of paint removal, the grey one had about five layers of old horrible paint, I was going to paint strip it off until I found out the all the nasty chemicals have been removed out of Nitromos paint stripper now so it no longer works. I decided to try a  paint scraper with a carbide tip I got from a car boot sale, it worked but was hard work to say the least.





Next job , pieced in and welded up the damaged corners and a few holes that had been drilled in here and there.





Then hours and hours of DA (dual action) sanding to get all the rest of the paint off, Noisy nasy dirty work but I have had too many nasty surprises with old paint reacting over the years so now just do things that hard way and get to metal when I can.





Then filled in any dents and scrapes that were left.



Give them all a sand off and they are ready for primer, well the two tall ones, the smaller silver one is having castors fitted then sanded but this one should just need a good sand off as is in better condition.



I plan to get the last cabinet up to this stage then have a big tidy brush up of all the dust and mess then start painting.
  Cheers Mick.

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Re: Cabinets for tooling - restoration
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2014, 08:00:00 PM »
Cracking job Mick
They are down to bare metal  :jaw: :jaw: :jaw:
As long as you don't paint the Bastard things green  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Cabinets for tooling - restoration
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2014, 09:51:22 PM »
I really admire the thoroughness of your rebuilds, Mick. Makes me want to do a better job of things than I do.  :beer:
I love it when a Plan B comes together!
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Re: Cabinets for tooling - restoration
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2014, 02:39:58 AM »
Yes I very much echo Steve's words Mick. I'm afraid my Versatool cabinets just got grit blasted and sprayed, though I did have to do the same blacksmiths job replacing locking bars etc.

There's a thread on here somewhere about it

Nice job.
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Re: Cabinets for tooling - restoration
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2014, 07:17:18 AM »

Mick, next time you need to remove paint like that get some of these, they're ace...

http://www.weldequip.com/cleaning-fleece-115mm.htm

They remove paint at a good rate and leave the metal un damaged, with just a light scouring ideal for a key for fresh paint.
Tools: Boxford CSB lathe, Chester 20v mill, Portamig 185. Lots of ideas, No motivation.

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Re: Cabinets for tooling - restoration
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2014, 07:52:14 AM »
"Thoroughness"......

He's right, yer know!  :thumbup:

Blummin well done John!  :clap: :clap:

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Re: Cabinets for tooling - restoration
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2014, 06:04:09 PM »
Evening lads,
             thanks for the comments  :thumbup:, I have looked for you posts Andrew but can not find them , I could remember there had been a thread about a cabinet getting done in the past. Believe me these would have been getting blasted too if I had the chance lol.
 BBB , I will try them discs next time , I did try something that looked similar on an electric drill years ago and it just wore down in about ten seconds lol  :palm: Looks like they must have improved things over the years I am glad to say, thanks for pointing them out , spreading knowledge is a big part of the forums.

 I have ordered some castors for cabinet 3 so will continue once they arrive.
  Cheers Mick.
 

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Re: Cabinets for tooling - restoration
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2014, 03:21:47 AM »
Here you go Mick - blasted and sprayed for you  :lol:

http://madmodder.net/index.php/topic,8741.0.html
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Re: Cabinets for tooling - restoration
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2014, 05:46:52 AM »

 BBB , I will try them discs next time , I did try something that looked similar on an electric drill years ago and it just wore down in about ten seconds lol  :palm: Looks like they must have improved things over the years I am glad to say, thanks for pointing them out , spreading knowledge is a big part of the forums.

 
 

Yes, they are ok on the flat stuff but not so good if you catch an edge or a burr, then they shred. I use them on car body panels mostly.
Tools: Boxford CSB lathe, Chester 20v mill, Portamig 185. Lots of ideas, No motivation.

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Re: Cabinets for tooling - restoration
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2014, 06:46:14 AM »
I have been using some of fleece discs and I have really mixed results. To my IMHO normal electric drill does not spin them fast enough and small angle grinder spins them too fast. I bought cheap angle grinder just a little ago to try about 6000 rpm on this small 115mm? disc.

This new Niromorse is really a joke compared to the old one. Old one stripped steel radiator clean in two goes, new one does not even mat the same paint. Got one different brand on spray bottle - it smelled death and did not do anything to old paint. Then I took one of these disk on fast angle grinder (a more than bit over recommended fleese disk rpm.) and flinged the paint all over cleared kitchen. Shredded the firs disk, learned "soft touch" on the second dic, which stripped the two meter long radiator to bare metal. Took only a fraction of the time compared lookin these "paint strippers" do nothing. There was a learning curve. Slightly slower angle grinder seemed to help, maybe even slower is even better.

Pekka
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Re: Cabinets for tooling - restoration
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2014, 10:18:13 AM »
Well Pekka, following on my mention of Fast Orange for removing grease and baked on varnish, I found an orange (citrus oil) based paint stripper called Citri-Strip. And it also really does a good job.

I use it a lot for painted small metal bits/scrap I use for building things.
I love it when a Plan B comes together!
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Re: Cabinets for tooling - restoration
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2014, 12:01:13 PM »
I use a twisted wire cup brush in an angle grinder , shifts paint and rust no probs .
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Re: Cabinets for tooling - restoration
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2014, 04:02:32 PM »
I use a twisted wire cup brush in an angle grinder , shifts paint and rust no probs .

I've tried that method on some jobs in the past.  If the metal is very rusty the wire brush burnishes the steel, smearing it closed over the tops of the pits.  It all looks nice and shiny so you proceed with the painting, only for the rust sealed in the pits to break out later on.  On steel, I've come to favour a more abrasive method of rust removal, followed by a chemical rust killer and then by the paint coats. 
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Re: Cabinets for tooling - restoration
« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2014, 05:42:25 PM »
good job mick

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Re: Cabinets for tooling - restoration
« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2014, 02:55:28 AM »
I use a twisted wire cup brush in an angle grinder , shifts paint and rust no probs .

I've tried that method on some jobs in the past.  If the metal is very rusty the wire brush burnishes the steel, smearing it closed over the tops of the pits.  It all looks nice and shiny so you proceed with the painting, only for the rust sealed in the pits to break out later on.  On steel, I've come to favour a more abrasive method of rust removal, followed by a chemical rust killer and then by the paint coats.

I have to agree with this. When I use rotating wire bruch I use face shield. Why? I always use glasses but I got some feedback when wife had to remove twice same evening a piece of wire flung out of rotary bruch: Easy one was stuck on my eyebrow the subborn one (needed needle nose pliers to remove) was stuck on my fore head.

Wirebrushed and sandblasted needs pretty thick antirust paint on top of them.

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Re: Cabinets for tooling - restoration
« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2014, 05:08:37 AM »
I have also used a wire brush in a dia drinder 32000 rpm , plenty of PPE required and a hat , and the wire brush doesn't last very long , a zink based primer as a base coat to start .
Jeff

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Re: Cabinets for tooling - restoration
« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2014, 07:32:19 AM »
Tough getting into metal cabinet corners and sheet metal bends with a rotary wire brush. Sooner or later (and often there's a lot of sooner) it gets down to hand work with a scraper and paint remover, and maybe little bits of sandpaper.
I love it when a Plan B comes together!
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Re: Cabinets for tooling - restoration
« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2014, 10:45:27 AM »
nah .......   sooner or later you get to realise the joys of a grit blaster . . . .    soooo convenient  :ddb:
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Re: Cabinets for tooling - restoration
« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2014, 06:01:15 PM »
Well, yah, if I had that I wouldn't be using a sander or brush in the first place!
I love it when a Plan B comes together!
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Re: Cabinets for tooling - restoration
« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2014, 07:04:52 AM »
Mick,

I take it that the panel beaters hammer,  shown with the steel bars prior to forging,  was just for show. I can't imagine a skilled man such s yourself actually hammering the bars down using a planishing hammer.

The hammer I was always told NEVER to beat anything but a panel with.

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Re: Cabinets for tooling - restoration
« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2014, 10:12:19 AM »
Hi David ,
                   You are right I had just been knocking some dents out with that hammer and those bars kept rolling about so just used the hammer to keep the bits of bar in place to take photo I used a heavy blacksmiths type hammer to forge the ends of the bar   :thumbup: 
  I always buy hammers when I see them so have no excuse for using the wrong hammers lol.

 Cheers Mick

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Re: Cabinets for tooling - restoration
« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2014, 06:41:12 PM »
Hi Lads , got a bit more done with the cabinets. Number 3 cabinet has castors fitted, also been stripped and dents knocked out and filled etc, this was the best condition cabinet but some how seemed to take just as long to do as the other two. I had a major job sweeping dust etc up and getting the loose bits of paint debris blown out/ vacuumed out of the cabinets so there will be a chance of half decent finish without lots of bits in the paint.

  Anyway here are the three lined up all dusted off , blown out with the air line and ready for primer, the draws are balanced on top of them but can not really be painted in place or balanced on the units in any way so will do them on the floor.





 So far so good, all primed inside and out, including the draws. Its not ideal doing all three like this space wise but too much hassle to do them one or two at a time then do it all over again.  The draws will have to be laid out better for top coat, the other round thing is an unbreller stand that was looking rusty so hit that with primer too and will do it black with the shelves.





 Hopefully after a slight sand tomorrow they will be getting top coat on.

 Cheers Mick.

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Re: Cabinets for tooling - restoration
« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2014, 06:50:15 PM »
Looking great
Be spot on in Grey  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2014, 07:22:46 PM »
They are looking first class

I reckon a nice camo green/brown might look good Mick

But a bright blue hammer tone, you could go clinical white

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Re: Cabinets for tooling - restoration
« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2014, 02:31:03 AM »
Iron grey please Mick so they match my pair. Then put them on a pallet and I'll get them collected  :lol:
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