What the heck is going on with Google and Youtube.

[S. Heslop]

So Google is forcing Google+ onto Youtube users. Google+ seems to be Google's answer to Facebook and they're using their geet internet monopoly to make people use it whether they want to or not.

Supposedly I can't approve Youtube comments any more without going through Google plus, so i've been trying to make sense of the website. It's a real mess of a layout, with features and buttons hidden all over, and at the same time it's bombarding me with photos of Machu Piccu and animated gifs of children hurting themselves.

It's making me feel real out of touch.

[Jonny]

Being trying to make sense of Googles actions for many months, everything they do is a pain to use, why change perfection.

Months ago the home page had buttons for various things including maps, now gone. Now wants me to log in to Google+ and wont accept established user name.
Youtube just wants me to pay for additional services and since that's happened monetary has plummeted.

[garym]

I went through the Google+ transition a few weeks ago and it is a pain in the **** but now I find Google and Gmail and their other apps that I use are largely unchanged. I had a separate YouTube channel that I'd posted a couple of videos on and I managed to keep it separate from my Gmail account. Now if I'm logged into Gmail and click on YouTube it asks me which account I want to use. And, yes, they are trying to make Google+ into an alternative to Facebook.

Gary

[garym]

I should have added that you can get to the apps through the little nine square icon in the top right. I can't post an image as I don't have access to an image editor at the moment.

Gary

[Stilldrillin]

I've happily run a YouTube channel, (Dayjo9), for more than 5 years. Around 80 vids, many subscribers. 

Seems, I can't now upload to my channel. And, when I do upload, my channel's called David Jones. (My name). 

Also, I seem to be in some sort of circle, with a load of people, I don't think I've ever heard of! 

It's all well beyond me! 

David D

[vtsteam]

I don't use Google anything unless absolutely necessary. For a search engine I used to use Scroogle, but when that ended I switched to Startpage. For posting videos, I use Vimeo.

Practically every web page on the internet now has Google-analytics scripts running unnoticed in the background so in my browser, Google scripting is disabled by default uness required for web page functionality. That is becoming more and more prevalent. Also Google cookies are accepted for the session only, not for the usual 32 years it tries to maintain on my computer.

Personally, I just resent the massive effort that concern makes to track and record every aspect it can for every resident on the planet. And to do that by purchasing other concerns and fooling or forcing their users to provide personal information for linking to other databases it has purchased or maintains.

All this may not bother other people, and I can appreciate that, it's fine with me. I just don't personally want my life as I live it to become the commercial property of Google. I believe in personal privacy.

[S. Heslop]

All this may not bother other people, and I can appreciate that, it's fine with me. I just don't personally want my life as I live it to become the commercial property of Google. I believe in personal privacy.

I got a real spook earlier when Google+ reccomended some friends to add to my whatever. I got spooked by first person on the list being a fella i've been talking to on a (non Google related) instant messaging program for quite a while. I'm still trying to figure out how Google knew about my association with him.

I'm still not really sure how to feel about what Google does in tracking people though. It's spooky but the services Google provides are unparalleled. I tried using Microsoft's Bing search engine out of protest (mostly protest of the irritating whimsical Google logos celebrating the 127th birthday of the man that invented the kazoo or something) and it made me appreciate just how good a search engine Google is.

But I am upset about them using their monopoly to force people into using other products. I thought there were supposed to be laws to prevent that.

[TLGriff]

Yes, Google has made a real mess of YouTube right now. I have a fairly large instructional machining channel and the comments are so screwed up that I can't even figure out how to reply to new ones. Up until recently you could delete your G+ account, but that option seems to have disappeared.

I just opened my own website to try and distance myself a bit from the whole mess (Tom's Techniques). By embedding my videos on my own site, they are much easier to manage and present in a meaningful way.

Tom

[mattinker]

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But I am upset about them using their monopoly to force people into using other products. I thought there were supposed to be laws to prevent that.
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Unfortunately this is standard practice, Microsoft did it with Internet Explorer, stuffing it down peoples throats when there were better browsers available. I keep out of Microsoft stuff by using Linux. Daily Motion might be a good substitute for Youtube.

Regards, Matthew

[mattinker]

I just opened my own website to try and distance myself a bit from the whole mess (Tom's Techniques). By embedding my videos on my own site, they are much easier to manage and present in a meaningful way.

Tom

Tom,
I've bookmarked your website, I'm a fan of your videos, I like the way you work and show really straight forward practice.

Regards, Matthew

[garym]

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I got a real spook earlier when Google+ recommended some friends to add to my whatever. I got spooked by first person on the list being a fella i've been talking to on a (non Google related) instant messaging program for quite a while. I'm still trying to figure out how Google knew about my association with him.
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It's a bit of a Faustian pact. They normally give you some settings to limit what is shared and interactions with others but finding them in the settings page can be a real struggle. And they always seem to be turned on by default. Facebook are even worse in this respect but they are easier to avoid.

Gary

[garym]

Yes, Google has made a real mess of YouTube right now. I have a fairly large instructional machining channel and the comments are so screwed up that I can't even figure out how to reply to new ones. Up until recently you could delete your G+ account, but that option seems to have disappeared.

I just opened my own website to try and distance myself a bit from the whole mess (Tom's Techniques). By embedding my videos on my own site, they are much easier to manage and present in a meaningful way.

Tom

Love your videos Tom, very helpful, been subscribed for a while, keep 'em coming.

Gary

[Dawai]

Rant, content is my opinion directly of GOOGLE's subversive activities, why they do what they do, how they do.

Google/youtube  is the devil, they record every search, every video, they know more about your personality "type" than any psychiatrist in the world by what you are doing, what you are interested in, what you look at. (hey, they saw you looking at porn, can't deny it)

I still love youtube, on my blueray player on my television I watch the videos in big LCD screen on the couch. Some of my crazy ideas come from youtube ideas.

So when the Google goggles are walking around, is there really a barge offshore USA recording all the video that they see??
Ohh my, where did I put that tin foil hat today>>>??????

HEY, it ain't a secret I am nuts, I grew up abused, went through racial riots in the 60's, went through two bike clubs in the 70s, lived with lying strippers, lying ex wives, ran with lunatics for a while, climbed power poles, worked in plants on live wires.. so.. what do you think they will do with me? (all that info)? insane asylum or adult day care ???? I ain't like most the ones that sit and watch the mindless sit-coms.. I could care less about that drivel. I deal with all the emotional baggage I have accumulated, people who can't deal with theirs I ask to stay away. Some have permanent restraining orders.

I don't do facebook, hooking up with the loonies I try to distance myself from is not a pleasant thought? the vain, lying OLD strippers with sagging breasts, old fat dying pot belly people who stood next to me in a bar when the Indian was out loose on alcohol? No need to find them, I can go take a few biscuits under any bridge and re associate all I want to, then leave and come home to a "more sane lifestyle" of a workshop, a nutty pitt bulldog and a loving naive wife who doesn't know, or want to know about my past.

I gotta get my shoes on and go do some charity to repair the ugly deeds I did earlier in my life now..
Be happy, ride the "happy wave" all you can and enjoy what you have positive in life.

[S. Heslop]

Yes, Google has made a real mess of YouTube right now. I have a fairly large instructional machining channel and the comments are so screwed up that I can't even figure out how to reply to new ones. Up until recently you could delete your G+ account, but that option seems to have disappeared.

I just opened my own website to try and distance myself a bit from the whole mess (Tom's Techniques). By embedding my videos on my own site, they are much easier to manage and present in a meaningful way.

Tom

I saw your Steven's rifle project on Metalworking Fun and was well impressed, but had no idea you made videos. Definitely subscribing.

Youtube does make alot more sense if you try see it as a social networking site though, rather than a pure video host. A guy subscribed to my channel recently and that led to about 30 people almost immediately following, which surprised me. Plus Youtube has been pushing for more of a channel oriented style for a long time, with regular content providers. Rather than one-off videos of people slipping on ice or teasing their pets.

[vtsteam]

Steve, If you want to use Google as a search engine because you like the search results, but don't want to further contribute to a dossier on yourself just because you happened once 3 years ago to read a particular news story, about a subversive group, or a friend did, who you've been writing to (in what you thought was a private conversation), or that friend had a friend, who had a friend, who looked up something which might be construed as suspicious, especially since Google has photographed that guy's house via their surface mapping and monitoring video cars, and also recorded wireless traffic in the area, including passwords, and which according to their database is located next to another house that related to another.....etc, etc.

Anyway, if you don't want to be part of that whole mess, but do want to just search for something and get Google's results, just do it through Startpage.com.

It does the Google's search for you and gives you the results. Then Google just profiles Startpage, instead of you. Simple.

And like I said if you want to post videos, Vimeo works fine. It wants to be a social network, too. But hasn't the clout, or innumerable secret connections of Google/Youtube, and you really don't have to participate in the social side of it if you don't want.

If you want to watch videos, YouTube is actually no problem -- you don't have to log in, and you can always delete Youtube and Google cookies -- it's posting videos on Youtube or commenting on them that's the problem.

Well if it is a problem. Many don't see it that way, and again, that's fine, no problem. At least we all have a choice.

So far.

[vtsteam]

Dawai, I enjoy your writing.  (root beer for me)

[TLGriff]

Yes, Google has made a real mess of YouTube right now. I have a fairly large instructional machining channel and the comments are so screwed up that I can't even figure out how to reply to new ones. Up until recently you could delete your G+ account, but that option seems to have disappeared.

I just opened my own website to try and distance myself a bit from the whole mess (Tom's Techniques). By embedding my videos on my own site, they are much easier to manage and present in a meaningful way.

Tom

Love your videos Tom, very helpful, been subscribed for a while, keep 'em coming.

Gary

Thanks Gary, glad you like them.

Tom

[TLGriff]

I saw your Steven's rifle project on Metalworking Fun and was well impressed, but had no idea you made videos. Definitely subscribing.

Thanks, I hope to get back to the Steven's project soon and get started on the barrel.

Tom