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Offline DaveH

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Time going decimal/metric
« on: April 08, 2013, 08:14:07 AM »
I see the ‘powers to be’ are considering the decimal clock / decimal time.

Simple enough 100ds = 1dm = 1dh     where ds = decimal seconds; dm = decimal minutes; and dh = decimal hours.

So there will be 10dh in 1day. Equates to 100000 dseconds in 1day and 10000 dminutes in 1day.

1ds = 0.864 old seconds.
1dh = 2.4    old hours.

No more 24hour clock which is usually split into two 12 hours just to cause more confusion.
The dclock will start at midnight 0:00 hours 5:00 hours will be midday.
The d clock  face will look like this

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Re: Time going decimal/metric
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2013, 08:35:03 AM »
Does it come with a decimal cuckoo ???
 
If so, I'm all for it.
 
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Re: Time going decimal/metric
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2013, 08:37:03 AM »
The French tried this at the beginning of their revolution, it didn't catch on.

http://mentalfloss.com/article/32127/decimal-time-how-french-made-10-hour-day

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Re: Time going decimal/metric
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2013, 08:44:35 AM »
working 8 hour days will be really painful if this gets any momentum.
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Re: Time going decimal/metric
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2013, 09:10:07 AM »
The French tried this at the beginning of their revolution, it didn't catch on.

http://mentalfloss.com/article/32127/decimal-time-how-french-made-10-hour-day

Regards, Matthew

Seems they made a slight mistake they used 10 as midnight instead of 0
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Re: Time going decimal/metric
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2013, 11:24:23 AM »
Rob Wilson counts seconds as one elephant, two elephants etc. He'd have to choose a smaller animal to maintain accuracy.

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Re: Time going decimal/metric
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2013, 12:27:09 PM »
Hi

It seems to me that they missed a good oportunity to give us a 10 day week. I know that I could sure use the extra days to get more some work done.  :lol: :lol: :lol:


As far as Rob goes, he will just have to use baby elephants. That should work fine for maintaining the accuracy desired.  :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Time going decimal/metric
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2013, 12:49:35 PM »
The kids can't read an analog clock, anyway, so what's the problem?
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Re: Time going decimal/metric
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2013, 12:50:53 PM »
Be nice to Rob, we can give him a abacus   :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Time going decimal/metric
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2013, 12:32:06 AM »
No joke.  My senior thesis in physics (Western Washington State College, 1976) was to calculate the number, position, and duration of thrust to use Atlas V boosters to slow the Earth's rotation (with no more than a 1/4g impulse impact) to create the 28 hour day.  One of the things not normally known is that all the honest diurnal cycle tests have shown that people actually do best with a 34-36 hour day.  Were there an argument in favor for the extra-terrestrial development of humans, this is the most compelling argument I have seen.

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Re: Time going decimal/metric
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2013, 03:56:04 AM »
 :lol: :lol: :lol: WHAT!  no more elephants ,cant be having that ,,,,,  :Doh:


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Re: Time going decimal/metric
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2013, 07:49:39 AM »
:lol: :lol: :lol: WHAT!  no more elephants ,cant be having that ,,,,,  :Doh:


Rob

Simple ................ Decimal elephants  :lol:
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Re: Time going decimal/metric
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2013, 08:40:02 AM »
:lol: :lol: :lol: WHAT!  no more elephants ,cant be having that ,,,,,  :Doh:


Rob

Simple ................ Decimal elephants  :lol:
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Dunno if it will work. Bit shorter than Imperial.
 
One truncatedelephant ... two truncatedelephant ... three  etc. etc. ????
 
Hmmmmmm not so sure  :scratch:
 
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Re: Time going decimal/metric
« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2013, 08:53:08 AM »
Truncated? I thought all elephants were trunkated (sorry  :palm: )

One jumbo... two jumbo.... is a bit quicker, so that might work.

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Re: Time going decimal/metric
« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2013, 09:55:02 AM »
I had assumed this was an April 1st thing, but I see it isn't.  :scratch: Unless it is, and it's just a week late - probably running on the wrong clock. In the spirit of ripping people off when decimalising, I can just see this being sold as "Only a 4 hour workday from now on!" - yeah, and the four .4s... a new work day = 9.2 old hrs, nice.

One of the things not normally known is that all the honest diurnal cycle tests have shown that people actually do best with a 34-36 hour day. 

Once upon a time, Lew, I'd have enthusiastically agreed with you. However, for some reason, I'm currently struggling to stay awake for a full 16 out of 24, I'd be hopeless on a 34 hour day now. 10 years ago, I'd have loved it.
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Re: Time going decimal/metric
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2013, 09:58:24 AM »
Just think how different things would be if we'd had 8 fingers.

The "Metric" system would be octal.

Or 12 fingers yielding 12 symbolic digits -- in which case we could stick with time as it is and dozens as being "most logical"

Or if water boiled at a different absolute temperature.

Or we'd chosen the freezing point of carbon dioxide as zero.
It's all arbitrary preferences, supposedly given importance as "scientific".  :smart:

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Re: Time going decimal/metric
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2013, 10:04:09 AM »
One jumbo... two jumbo.... is a bit quicker, so that might work.
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Re: Time going decimal/metric
« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2013, 10:09:30 AM »
One shouldn't always believe what one sees and reads on the internet :thumbup:

Most of us don't like change, but it is sometimes good for us  :bang: :bang: :bang: wakes everyone up  :lol:

Anyway we have until 1st January 2020 to get ready. Think of the boost it will give to the clock making industry  :poke:
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Re: Time going decimal/metric
« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2013, 01:32:09 PM »
VTSteam,

You should remember that, originally, it was going to be 10,000 km from the equator to a pole.  They screwed up that calculation and ended up setting 100 km as the distance between Paris and London -- and had to move the markers several times in the 19th & 20th centuries to make that work.  In 1967 (just after I had purchased a rather expensive set of metric micrometers and dial indicators) the length of the mm was revised causing that entire "purchase" to become scrap.

Sometime between 1971 and 1975 the temperature scale changed from Centigrade to Celsius.  This is because it was found out that true zero°C had been miscalculated.  Celsius' scale actually set "zero" as water's boiling point and 100° as water's triple point.  Fahrenheit's scale was based on the temperature at which Baltic Sea water would freeze to (hemp) ropes making it too dangerous for sailors to work (0°F).  The other end of his scale (100°F) was the body temperature at which a sailor should be held in sick bay.  Which system is more "scientific?"

The Unified National system of threads was created by the Joint Industrialization Committee of the American-British-Canadian Alliance Council established in the run-up to WWI.  They designed the Coarse thread pitch set to function with low-shear materials such as zinc and (pre-Duralim) aluminums.  The Fine thread pitch was designed to provide 15% greater pull-out and equivalent pin strength than a Coarse thread pitch.  The Extra-Fine thread pitch was designed to provide 15% greater pull-out and equivalent pin strength than a Fine thread pitch.  The minutes of those meetings (which I had to read for a contract back in the early-1970's) are truly amazing in the manner in which they show how a well constituted bureaucracy can work!

The (post-1972) ISO metric threads do not have a pitch that works well with low-shear materials.  Moving from the (post-1999) standard to fine pitch in ISO threads gains you an average of 3% on your screw properties (and about 4% on nut properties).  The attempt to standarize metric screwthreads under ISO auspices was begun in 1947.  It took them until 1999 to reduce things to standard and fine pitches based on major diameter.  As of 2010 (the last time I spent the time and money to dig through the relevant ISO documents) there were still five separate and incompatible "standards" (American-ISO, French-ISO, British Standard, DIN, and JIS) for tolerances and allowances based class of fit!

The thing is that units of measure apply to humans.  The Romans discovered that, if you want underfed peasants to pick up and accurately place stones when building a roadway, then the stones should weigh no more than (roughly) 14 lbs.  This is where the old Imperial measure of stone came from.  It is a very good data point to have when figuring out production lines.  The Roman unit of distance, the league, was the distance a full-loaded legionnaire was expected to walk in an hour.  A furlong is 1/4th of a league -- good things to know when figuring out how long it will take a worker to move around a plant.  In older measures (and redefined to make things confusion), the staff or pike was roughly 16 feet long and represents the longest item that a single individual can accurately move and line up (coming from the pike that represented the end of the plate-armored knights).  Another older measure that has been redefined several times and is inconsistently identified across time is the shear or the chain which represents the longest piece of pole that can be raised using manpower and shear lines.

I am not suggesting that we use leagues, stones, or even fortnights (though calculating acceleration in furlongs/fortnight˛ was one of my favorite physics examination questions back when I was in high school) as units of measure.  But knowing where they came from has value...

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Re: Time going decimal/metric
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2013, 08:50:09 PM »
That was quite interesting Lew!

Perhaps we should use noses as measures. They are extremely important in a certain specialty field. Fortunes have been won and lost on them.

Seabiscuit by a nose.

Well, not usually. It was lengths!.
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