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Raggle:
"Health and Safety"  -  these words get bandied about as being the sole cause of our ills. I remember a visit from the HSE man when I was working as a printer. Nice chap, all he was looking for was evidence that my employer had taken every reasonable measure for me to operate safely. Had I, for instance, worked with potentially hazardous liquids without the gloves provided I did so at my own risk and would have fared badly in any possible litigation arising from it.

Their work will be over when they have managed to reduce the appalling loss of life and limb in the construction and agricultural industries.

When you hear of those school machines being placed out of bounds on "Health and Safety" grounds you are actually hearing about the insurance risk. Talk to an actual insurance man and he will tell you the risks are low.  The decision to ban the use is most likely to have been made by a semi-literate graduate, new in the post of educational establishment administration, afraid of the quote. This person will in all likelihood be an arts, not science, graduate and will never have seen a machine before.

A private school for potential engineers?  Great idea  -  who'll fund it? I hope not the gov't. While we're at it we need one for commerce.

Maybe someone can enlighten me. I heard some years ago that in Germany it was illegal to employ a person under 18 except under the direct supervision of a master craftsman. Was that true and is it still the case?

Ray

Darren:
Good job H&S can't get into our little playrooms .... last lodger we had for 6mths was a H&S guy for a large contractor.

He walked in the workshop one day, walked out again and asked me to shut the door. He never came in after that.
He was a nice chap though and did at least say we could do whatever we liked in our own homes. We that is, not friends even if they have their own machines and not our children.

I'm not sure how correct he was on the last two ?

cedge:
Much at guilt are the educated who are given an MBA degree that preaches short term profits over long term survival for a company that puts them in positions of fiduciary trust. No wonder most of our production jobs are no longer ours.... they were  sacrificed on the alter of  quarterly profit and loss statements that required them to outperform or die. It wasn't just the lack of education that has sent us down this primrose path. Those who we trained above beyond the common man also have their own blooded hands to wash.

And....before Marv blows bubbles out his ears.... I've pretty much paraphrased the recent comments of the Dean of Harvard Business Schools. His confession was a prelude to an admission that his school badly needed to realign their philosophies to find better ways of including ethics back into the curriculum mix.

Yes.... the public educational system is broken, but the students didn't break it.... at least not without parental permission. Our own complicity in protecting them from disappointment and hurt feelings over a bit of tough love and discipline has given rise to the current lack of performance. Today it's the student who really wants to learn that struggles hardest against the system. The rest were already destined to fill blue collar jobs that will need filling as our population growth slows and an aging Boomer population retires and begins to require more money to live out their last days.

Again..... that last was from an article written about 1976 in a treatise concerning the need for "outcome based education" in the American schools in order to provide an adequate menial labor force that would be needed "at the turn of the century". The same article suggested a relaxation of our laws to allow enough immigration, legal and illegal, to make up for the rest. 

HMmmmmm... why do I suddenly feel like a conspiracy theorist?

Steve

Baldrocker:

--- Quote ---  Today, a university degree is required to assure the employer that the individual is even modestly literate and capable of doing simple sums
--- End quote ---
Marv.
If the above is so what does that say about the worth of a Degree?

BR

Baldrocker:

--- Quote ---how the hell we've ended up in a world where the far east supply most of the CNC's is amazing
--- End quote ---

Jim
Its called complacency.
But, who cares?
BR

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