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tinkerer:
Marv,
Your opinions are as valuable as any other. Education is not valued as it used to be, that is the degree a person is educated to. A high school diploma is not as valuable as it was, an associate degree is not as valuable as it once was, a bachelors degree is not as valuable as it once was. Phd's are required for the higher pay scales.

By valued, I mean the earning power is not what it used to be. A journeyman machinist that loads the machine and presses the start button is not going to be paid as much as the CNC programmer that sits in an office environment drinking coffee and staring at a computer screen. The difference is the degree of education.

Darren:
Marv, theres a lot more two life than corect spellin and grama,
 
That is far from the problem IMHO, personally I feel respect and contribution come way higher.

Chris, I feel sorry for teachers today, they have their hands tied by do-gooders that have done little for children in reality. If a child can do as they wish then they will probably do very little.

And that I feel is what is happening. They know it, we know it, even the Government knows it. Problem is no-one wants to take the bull by the horns and do something about it.

Political correctness is in the same bucket.

CrewCab:

--- Quote from: Darren on October 26, 2009, 05:28:40 PM ---Marv, theres a lot more two life than corect spellin and grama,
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Got to say I'm with Marv on this issue, I was taught grammar and spelling both at school and home, as have my offspring, it's not Rocket Science; it was good enough for the likes of Shakespeare and Churchill so why do we need to change a proven formulae to suit people too idle to learn the language; though I do agree respect needs to be resurrected big time.

CC  ......................... slowly climbing down of high horse ................   :hammer:

raynerd:

--- Quote from: mklotz on October 26, 2009, 05:06:24 PM ---Today, a university degree is required to assure the employer that the individual is even modestly literate and capable of doing simple sums.  You old timers were the people who created this situation by demeaning the need for skills outside of the narrow requirements of your particular trade.  Now it's come back to haunt you.

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Too right - take a Medicing or Veterinary Degree, the only degrees which specify a specific A-level subect and it is not even Biology but  Chemistry. Why? Not because you need the chemistry, but because getting an A at A-level Chemistry shows an ability to learn! That is an extreme example but looking around at my friends that came out of Uni at the same time as me most with 2:1 or 2:2 and they are now managers at B&Q or Tesco! So a BSc with Honors in Pharmacology or in Aerospace Engineering takes you to the top of Tesco  :doh:

Darren:
Dave, I've often noticed those that spell well place themselves a little higher than others. Some no doubt are quite special people in their own right, most are not.

Shakespeare couldn't spell btw, didn't even write proper English, even for the time ....  :thumbup:

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