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The Artful Bodger tries a ball turner...
« on: September 28, 2009, 03:39:13 AM »
... I bought a lathe, I made a little engine (The Artful Bodgers' Incredible Nutating Engine  :med:) and now I believe it is de regeur for me to make a ball turner...

(I regret the camera was not always close at hand. ::))

First up, Sally Shaper roughing out a bit of 20 mm plate which has already been sawn roughly to shape.



Here she is knocking the rust off first..



.... and putting a slopey end on..


...now putting a nice finish on..

...notice the slicer tool tip turning off a nice twisted sliver?

...first shaper job finished..



Next shaper job, cutting a groove in this piece of cast iron, the little block piece will fit in here..

....the iron was some sort of damping weight in a Triumph Vitesse (or maybe a GT6).

Moving on now, making the base. The iron is a turned down exercise weight and I do not want to turn any more of it to dust than I need to so I am chaining drilling for the desired diameter. This is easy with cast iron and once drilled I only have to go around with the cold chisel giving each little bit a sharp tap and the ring will fall right off!


It is back in the lathe now (yes, I did take it out before using the cold chisel on it!) and I have just turned off the rough bits and trimmed to the diameter....

...I also turned a spigot on each side, one to fit the hole in the lathe cross slide and the other to take a piece of water pipe which will form the body of the device.

Here is the body being pressed onto the base.  This is the second of these press fits I have managed and they are both nice and tight!  If it comes loose I will pin or Loctite it.

The body is much bigger than I need but I did it like this so that I will be able to part it off to size and know it is true with respect to the base.

I need a tool post and this will be it,  I am about to drill a cross hole to hold a piece of tool steel.

I am making two of these, this one with the HSS tool bit and another which will take a round cutting insert (more about that later if I remember)

Here is the tool post complete, notice I did a bit more shaping with Sally Shaper when the camera was not looking.


Just a little bit of milling to make a flat area for drilling the clamp screw which will hold the tool post in place.

I should have used Sally, the work moved a little and I chipped the milling cutter. ::)

We are getting closer now, this is the head piece which I have fixed (Loctite) a short shaft into.



The pieces go together, this bit just drops in but I was careful to make sure there was a smooth slide fit at the bottom of the shaft and at the top as I do not want any chatter causing slop.


Almost complete!  Sorry about that bolt sticking out there but there were no suitable grub screws in the drawer, maybe later in the week.


Testing!  That definitely has a bit of a round shape to it! :clap:

.. I have to take very slight cuts as the work is very poorly supported and I cannot get closer to the chuck with this tool post hence the intention to make a different style which will allow closer work.

First knob finished! :ddb:

... not really 'round' though is it? :scratch:

Inside radius? No problem!!

...maybe I should make salt and pepper shakers?  :coffee:



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Re: The Artful Bodger tries a ball turner...
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2009, 03:59:13 AM »
Another piece of kit to add to my "will have to make it one day" list.

A knob doesnt have to look perfect to still do the job.

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Re: The Artful Bodger tries a ball turner...
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2009, 04:04:14 AM »
Very nice job indeed John.

If you ever have doubts about the strength of a loctited joint. Drill a couple of holes down into the joint, tap and screw in a couple of threaded bits with a dab of loctite on them. Then just face them off. This not only stops the parts turning against each other but the threading locks them in place to stop them being pulled apart. Permanently.

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Re: The Artful Bodger tries a ball turner...
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2009, 04:10:30 AM »
Very nice job done there John.....I need to get back to mine at some time.... :clap:
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Re: The Artful Bodger tries a ball turner...
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2009, 04:43:10 AM »
Ahem, thanks for the kind comments chaps.  Thanks too Bogs that is a good tip to remember. :thumbup:
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Re: The Artful Bodger tries a ball turner...
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2009, 08:17:01 AM »
John,

Very informative thread. Interesting how you used the shaper and lathe to make that.  :thumbup:

Wish I could find a shaper over here. There about as hard to find as hen's teeth.

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Re: The Artful Bodger tries a ball turner...
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2009, 12:38:17 PM »
Great job John
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Nice shaper use and well shown
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Re: The Artful Bodger tries a ball turner...
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2009, 12:54:27 PM »
Whooooo Great post. Nice seeing the shaper in use.

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Re: The Artful Bodger tries a ball turner...
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2009, 01:57:17 PM »
Good to see Sally's earning her keep  :thumbup:   ................ Nice Job JH

I built a ball turner for the 9x20, it was fun to do and is a useful tool




but it won't fit on the Boxford so I think a Mk2 version is in order before too long  :dremel:

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Re: The Artful Bodger tries a ball turner...
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2009, 07:25:21 PM »
Hi John.

Nice job  :thumbup: I just read the post and thought this might help?

http://www.homemodelenginemachinist.com/index.php?topic=1721.45

I posted it ages ago when I used to frequent the engine site, bout half way down was my best description into setting the tool to cut a very near perfect sized ball.


Hope it helps?









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Re: The Artful Bodger tries a ball turner...
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2009, 08:28:27 PM »
Thanks Ralph, that makes good reading!

My biggest problem right now is mounting the work so that it is adequately supported.  I think my knobs will have a 10mm thread so I intend putting a bit to 10mm thread in the end of something thicker, 22mm I have on hand, sort of an extension so I can get away from the chuck jaws. 

One of my design oversights has been to make the base thick enough to foul the chuck and to top piece is probably bigger than it needs to be too.

My first experiments has been with a tool steel cutter but today I will be going to pick up a couple of round index tips which should make things easier.

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Re: The Artful Bodger tries a ball turner...
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2009, 04:04:59 AM »
Thats better.... :ddb:


Obviously a rigid mount is essential and this is better than I had been using.
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Re: The Artful Bodger tries a ball turner...
« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2009, 04:11:00 AM »
My first experiments has been with a tool steel cutter but today I will be going to pick up a couple of round index tips which should make things easier.
Wouldn't pointed be better than round?  They'd be able to get you closer to the stalk with minimal web.

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Re: The Artful Bodger tries a ball turner...
« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2009, 04:50:01 AM »

Wouldn't pointed be better than round?  They'd be able to get you closer to the stalk with minimal web.

I am going to try round, I find that a lot of the cutting in the initial stages is not exactly on the point of the tool and I am hoping that the round will give me a nice radiused merge into the stalk plus presumably give me a smoother finish overall.  Time will tell, tomorrow maybe as the tips have arrived.

The best video I have seen of a ball turner in use was a simple piece of round (1/4"?) tool steel mounted vertical, in fact his ball turner was not much more than a circular metal puck on a pivot with holes for the tool steel.
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Re: The Artful Bodger tries a ball turner...
« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2009, 07:22:42 AM »
CC,

Nice ball turner, the big question is, which came first the ball or the ball turner?!  :lol: (on your handle)

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Re: The Artful Bodger tries a ball turner...
« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2009, 03:43:51 PM »
John,

Very informative thread. Interesting how you used the shaper and lathe to make that.  :thumbup:

Wish I could find a shaper over here. There about as hard to find as hen's teeth.

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Re: The Artful Bodger tries a ball turner...
« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2009, 04:19:40 PM »
CC,
Nice ball turner, the big question is, which came first the ball or the ball turner?!  :lol: (on your handle) 

The turner Nick, the ball on the handle was it's first job  :dremel:

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Re: The Artful Bodger tries a ball turner...
« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2009, 06:01:15 PM »
Great stuff. Looks a useful tool, I need to think about more fancy stuff to improve the look of my engines!

Good work on yours John. It's the first time I've seen the pictures tonight.

 :proj: The list just grows and grows!  :doh:

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Re: The Artful Bodger tries a ball turner...
« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2009, 07:09:23 PM »
Just read the replies etc since I last posted....

Glad you liked the post John, Hope it'll help with tool alignment?


The round tip idea works well.... I have a post on ball & ogive turning in the general tools section that shows the round tip I made and the result (in brass)

Could easily put a link up..... But then that might stop you finding something else interesting on your travels?  :ddb:



I'll wait to see the results from your new tips John  :thumbup:






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Re: The Artful Bodger tries a ball turner...
« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2009, 02:00:37 AM »
My round cutter at work, sorry but it is not the most elegant tool post!




Finished product!


 ... as I hoped the round cutter makes it easy to blend the ball into the socket bit.
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Re: The Artful Bodger tries a ball turner...
« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2009, 04:26:29 AM »
John that's very clever, was that your idea for mounting the tip?

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Nice ball mate... :bow:
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Re: The Artful Bodger tries a ball turner...
« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2009, 08:36:48 PM »
Cool.... Nice work John  :thumbup:


I like the tip mount too... Different and clearly effective  :borg:






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Re: The Artful Bodger tries a ball turner...
« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2009, 05:39:25 AM »
Very good.  :bow:
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Re: The Artful Bodger tries a ball turner...
« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2009, 04:49:25 PM »
John that's very clever, was that your idea for mounting the tip?

 

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