I looked at the model last night, both the 3D version and physical one, and I came to the conclusion that my options 1-3 will NOT work. I can't raise the outrigger ram motor, option 1, because that will interfere with the crane counterweight as it swings around. I can move the rams to what I called the outside, option 2, because that will interfere with the fenders and wheels. And I can't move the rams to the inside, option 3, because that will interfere with the outrigger extension motor.
WeldingRod suggested moving the outrigger pivot point in, and I thought about that, but I wasn't sure if that would be a help or a hinderance. It did get me to thinking about moving things though. Last night I
played worked with the 3D model and lowered the outriggers 11mm so that the bottom of the outrigger was even with the bottom of the axle.
That way I can accomplish several things. I don't lose any ground clearance on the model, I reduce the amount of travel between the UP position of the outrigger and the ground, and I extend the outrigger ram - giving me more travel on the ram. I'm gonna give WeldingRod the
blame credit for this idea. I've attached a screenshot of the revised 3D model. Ignore all the extra crap - I forgot to turn it off before I saved the PDF last night.
The second attachment is a HIGHLY simplified front view of the Manitou. Can’t see it? Well, at least all the important bits are there anyway. The white rectangle at the top is the upper frame of the crane. Below the upper frame is the outrigger, it is shown in with the outrigger fully extended, The horizontal line that runs all the way across from one side of the screen to the other is the level “ground”. The vertical line on the left is the outside of the tires on that side.
Inside the orange blobby-circly-thingy is the outrigger pivot point, this point never moves with respect to the upper frame.
Inside the magenta blobby-circly-thingy is the outrigger ram lower pivot point when the ram is retracted, the angled white line is the ram centerline when retracted. The small white circle to the upper-left of the magenta thing is the outrigger ram upper pivot point – this point never moves with respect to the upper frame. The green circle shows the path the end of the outrigger ram would follow as it is swung around the ram’s upper pivot point. The cyan circle shows the path that the ram’s lower pivot point will follow at the outrigger is swung around it’s pivot point. The white line, the green circle, and the cyan circle all conveniently intersect at the same spot, the fully retracted position of the ram.
I determined that the outrigger ram has 27mm of usable travel. Offsetting the green circle 27mm. and I get the red circle. The stuff shown in green is with the ram fully retracted. The stuff in red is with the ram fully extended.
The tan blobbish thing on the right contains the simplified outrigger pad, that’s the green inverted T, the pad pivot point, and line that shows the center-to-center distance between the pad pivot point and the outrigger pivot point. The large white circle is the path the pad pivot point will follow as the outrigger ram extends and retracts. All this crap just to get a couple of angles, and we’re still not done.
Where the red circle and the cyan circle intersect will be the position of the outrigger ram lower pivot point when the ram is fully extended. Looking at this in the light of day I can see I made as boo-boo 19.6° does NOT equal 19.21°. I think I know where I screwed up, when I changed the angular dimension style halfway thru the drawing - I changed it from X° to X.XX°. I measured the angle between the two green lines so I could determine where the pad pivot point would be with the ram extended. It measured 5°, but it was actually 5.39° - I just measured it. That means my measured maximum pitch&roll angles will slightly too small, probably by less than ¼ - ½ degree.
OK – focus! Back to draining the swamp. With the pad pivot point‘s lowest position now fixed we can find where the pad touches the ground, the red inverted T.
Assuming that the crane will pivot on the outside of the tire, we draw a line from that point to the pad’s assumed contact point and measure the angle. VIOLA, we get 9.11°-ish, remember I makada slight boo-boo way-back-when. That’s the maximum roll angle I can hope to correct without blocks. The vertical line on the right represents the distance between the front and rear outriggers. When I connect the dots and measure the angle I get 7°-ish degrees as the maximum pitch angle that I’ll be able to correct without blocks.
I actually thought it would be more, but numbers don’t lie.
Don