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Re: The Sequel - Oh Blimey I bought a CNC Lathe (Beaver TC 20)
« Reply #1300 on: January 10, 2026, 04:00:06 PM »
Haas use electric cooker elements (the spiral ones) stacked to give the required resistance
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Re: The Sequel - Oh Blimey I bought a CNC Lathe (Beaver TC 20)
« Reply #1301 on: January 12, 2026, 12:36:20 PM »
Yes, glad to see you working on it, too, Andrew. Though it also looks like a pain! Reminds me of a giant scale version of my little plastic welder's problem -- which I never did fix, BTW.  :beer:
I love it when a Plan B comes together!
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Re: The Sequel - Oh Blimey I bought a CNC Lathe (Beaver TC 20)
« Reply #1302 on: January 19, 2026, 08:40:51 AM »
So time ticks by !

Several false starts winding the resistor: Firstly hand winding it is a pain (literally) the wire is very springy and hard to tension - anyway I persisted, got an ugly looking resistor but it's resistance was far too low.

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Turns out my calculations were wrong on two counts - wire diameter was actually 1mm not 0.9 as measured - the bit I measured was wasted down by being repeatedly  heated - and the turns count was wrong due to the mounting arrangement obscuring things as there were actually extra inactive turns used for the terminations. Re-working the calculations proved that it actually is wound from the more common Ni-Chrome wire. So I ordered up a reel of 1mm Ni-Chrome and wound another resistor. To aid winding I made up a bolt on adapter for the frame allowing me to mount it between centres on the lathe (still hand turned), this allow me to have better control on the tension - if only the reel of wire had been long enough  :bang:

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Re: The Sequel - Oh Blimey I bought a CNC Lathe (Beaver TC 20)
« Reply #1303 on: January 19, 2026, 09:07:19 AM »
Still in the end I did end up with a fairly neat winding and when all was re-assembled and the two halves of the resistor paralleled up it measured exactly and precisely 3.3 ohms - phew what a load of bother for a simple wire wound resistor.

Re-assembling it all on the machine went reasonably well - I thought I'd leave testing to the following day. But in the night I woke up in a sweat thinking 'did I remove that melted dribble of resistance wire on the upper cage frame ?' Of course I had to pull it all apart again to check and sure enough I hadn't - the power of dreams - lucky really.

Anyway testing at least didn't result in the previous glowing fire that I'd had previously - controller came ready but when I pressed 'Reset' to initialise things it went into eStop and dropped the servo crate power displaying:

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Decoding the error message it was implying that the Z position encoder was out of phase, shorted or disconnected. Now the encoder and it's wiring are not the easiest things to access and are far removed from where all the trouble had been. My first suspicion was the servo cards immediately below where that resistance wire had melted and dripped however changing them made not an iota of difference.

OK bite the bullet - open things up - get to the back of the Sinumerik controller by sliding it out of the cabinet onto its shelf so now at least I can see the Z axis encoder cable where it plugs into the Siemens 'measuring card' that takes all four encoders. Nothing looked amiss - suppose it's the measuring card itself? Fortunately I had a spare. A bit of gymnastics - old card out - new card in and lets see:

Whoohay - I can now jog X and Z axis for the first time in months  :ddb: :ddb:

At that point I decided to quit while I was ahead and reserve more testing for tomorrow - there's only so much excitement I can take these days  :lol:
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Re: The Sequel - Oh Blimey I bought a CNC Lathe (Beaver TC 20)
« Reply #1304 on: January 19, 2026, 09:14:12 AM »
Well done!

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Re: The Sequel - Oh Blimey I bought a CNC Lathe (Beaver TC 20)
« Reply #1305 on: January 19, 2026, 10:35:03 AM »
Thanks.
The good luck continues - OK I've used my one and only 'Measuring Card' spare.

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Best see if any are available on eBay - oh yes several in the price range just below and quite a bit above 1000 UKP - yikes. Then I found a UK dealer clearing his stock -  20 UKP inc postage - never hit a 'buy it now' key quite os fast !
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Re: The Sequel - Oh Blimey I bought a CNC Lathe (Beaver TC 20)
« Reply #1306 on: January 21, 2026, 06:16:42 AM »
Not been able to continue this push until this morning (yesterday - standby generator failed it's regular 'test start' I fire it up every few weeks and it's a good starter - should be it's brand new. I start it, then turn the fuel off and run until the carb is empty to stop it gumming up. Well it's gummed up and needs a carb strip  :bang: too much grovelling at floor level so woke unable to move - 600 mg of Ibruprophen and I can now move so off to the workshop.

Lathe fires up correctly, I can traverse over the reference points, initialise the tool turret, select tools at will, drive the main spindle clockwise and anti-clockwise - in fact EVERYTHING IS WORKING  :ddb:

Now the big caveat is that currently the tool disk is currently empty - no tool holders fitted so minimal weight for the servo system to fight. (There is approximately 45 kG of tools when all twelve positions are fully populated)

It was while diagnosing erratic positioning of the tool disk that I managed to blow up the Siemens Simodrive AC servo system so I'm tredding ever so carefully at the moment and only taking small steps.
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Re: The Sequel - Oh Blimey I bought a CNC Lathe (Beaver TC 20)
« Reply #1307 on: January 22, 2026, 05:36:50 AM »
Todays job. Recommission the coolant system - now this sprays coolant everywhere in the enclosure when things are spinning, so the first job was to replace the cast aluminium cover for the tool disk and Z axis motor connections. Hylomar sealant scraped off the mating faces - but where are the screws ? Cover removed a couple of years ago but normally I'm pretty good at keeping things together. It's only half a dozen M6 x 20 mm socket caps - no where to be found. I guarantee they are safely in a marked up poly bag somewhere - no sign of them and surprisingly nothing in stock - Amazon order placed for tomorrow  :bang:

So having been foiled in that task I thought that I'd play with a bit of simple programming - set up a diddy ( test loop  ) to exercise the tool disk - could I remember the commands - no! OK lets see if Chat-GPT knows this controller. Please generate code to select Tool#1, pause 5 seconds then select Tool #6 on a lathe controlled by a Siemens 820T controller:

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LBL 1

T1 M6          ; Select tool 1
G04 F5         ; Dwell 5 seconds

T6 M6          ; Select tool 6
G04 F5         ; Dwell 5 seconds

GOTO LBL 1     ; Repeat loop

M30
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And there you go ! Now it would have taken seconds to look up the codes but that was just a bit of fun.

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Re: The Sequel - Oh Blimey I bought a CNC Lathe (Beaver TC 20)
« Reply #1308 on: January 22, 2026, 09:13:02 AM »
Just to remind me how I've uploaded a short video to YouTube of the tool turret rotating to select different tools and spinning the powered tooling (that isn't fitted yet)

Somehow Youtube have rotated it 90 degrees - any ideas how it sit it the right way up?

https://youtube.com/shorts/JY9bBcAkoLk

OK I've rotated it 90 degrees with CLIDEO.COM on line

https://youtu.be/yWAxxcBkeYQ
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Re: The Sequel - Oh Blimey I bought a CNC Lathe (Beaver TC 20)
« Reply #1309 on: January 22, 2026, 10:41:50 AM »
Video unavailable....not set to public view... :Doh:
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Re: The Sequel - Oh Blimey I bought a CNC Lathe (Beaver TC 20)
« Reply #1310 on: January 22, 2026, 02:17:28 PM »
Hopefully corrected - thanks John
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Re: The Sequel - Oh Blimey I bought a CNC Lathe (Beaver TC 20)
« Reply #1311 on: January 22, 2026, 03:51:57 PM »
Worked for me.. :thumbup:

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Re: The Sequel - Oh Blimey I bought a CNC Lathe (Beaver TC 20)
« Reply #1312 on: January 22, 2026, 04:11:10 PM »
Progress is looking good?.
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Re: The Sequel - Oh Blimey I bought a CNC Lathe (Beaver TC 20)
« Reply #1313 on: January 22, 2026, 04:36:48 PM »
Thanks John. There are still loads of hurdles ahead. The servo action of the tool disc when fully loaded with its 45 kg of tooling will no doubt not be so crisp and that's where things went downhill previously failing to re-lock.
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Re: The Sequel - Oh Blimey I bought a CNC Lathe (Beaver TC 20)
« Reply #1314 on: January 22, 2026, 08:01:13 PM »
Worked for me too

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Re: The Sequel - Oh Blimey I bought a CNC Lathe (Beaver TC 20)
« Reply #1315 on: January 23, 2026, 06:01:13 AM »
Tool Turret loaded with three tools total weight about 10 kG. Two driven tools and a normal lathe tool holder evenly spaced around the disk.

https://youtube.com/shorts/kL3Tf-aXCA8

Left it running for a while to see what happens - fingers crossed still going !
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Re: The Sequel - Oh Blimey I bought a CNC Lathe (Beaver TC 20)
« Reply #1316 on: January 23, 2026, 06:33:50 AM »
Well that ran happily for ten minutes :ddb:

M6 x 20 mm stainless cap heads arrived in the post this morning so I've re-sealed the turret interface box

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Re: The Sequel - Oh Blimey I bought a CNC Lathe (Beaver TC 20)
« Reply #1317 on: January 23, 2026, 07:18:51 PM »
Looking good!