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Re: Mill Power feed
« Reply #75 on: April 23, 2009, 04:05:55 AM »
I was thinking the same thing John,

Although the finish is much better than I was getting by hand it still could be improved upon. I too believe the tool grinding needs some more thought...I will work on it.

There are some other improvements that could be made to the circuitry...later when I've figured it out.
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Re: Mill Power feed
« Reply #76 on: April 23, 2009, 06:47:38 AM »
John,
I've tried searching for that picture you put up with your flycutter shape, but I can't find it?

Do you know where it was? Or maybe put it here too when you get a moment  :thumbup:
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Re: Mill Power feed
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Re: Mill Power feed
« Reply #78 on: April 23, 2009, 10:36:20 AM »
Thanks John,

I had another go and reshaped the tool bit a little to look like this

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/thebodger/Sealey%20Milller/Power%20drive/IMG_1796.jpgMill Power feed

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/thebodger/Sealey%20Milller/Power%20drive/IMG_1797.jpgMill Power feed

The result was indeed a bit better, still getting some lines as you can see. Two bits of alloy, different finishes, I assume one is softer than the other.

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/thebodger/Sealey%20Milller/Power%20drive/IMG_1800.jpgMill Power feed

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/thebodger/Sealey%20Milller/Power%20drive/IMG_1802.jpgMill Power feed

Just practice and fettling now I guess. :)
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Re: Mill Power feed
« Reply #79 on: April 23, 2009, 02:46:55 PM »
Looks pretty good to me Darren!!
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Re: Mill Power feed
« Reply #80 on: April 23, 2009, 02:51:57 PM »
And me, if I was getting that standard I would be very chufed

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Re: Mill Power feed
« Reply #81 on: April 23, 2009, 03:11:16 PM »
Ah yes, thanks chaps, it's not bad

But then I've seen Bogs flycutting, now that IS a finish...... :clap:

And he wasn't even trying......  :bow:

Mine is almost there, just a touch more to go, I believe it's in the tool grinding....practice, practice, practice.. :ddb: :ddb: :ddb:
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Re: Mill Power feed
« Reply #82 on: April 23, 2009, 05:18:15 PM »
Looks pretty good from here Darren, I bet that looks real good in person? Photo's always make it look different to real life! (well I always look about 4 inches small!?  :lol: )


I'll be more than happy to get rid of those damn deep lines you get when your hand goes over the top of the wheel rotation!!!   

1 line every 10mm or so..... Does my nut in  :bang:  It takes forever to file, lap and polish the damn things out!


Looking forward to getting this thing made  :thumbup:






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Re: Mill Power feed
« Reply #83 on: April 23, 2009, 06:09:11 PM »
I think I'm trying too hard  :scratch:

I had a look at some utube videos and everyone seems to be setting the feed much faster than I am, like a train in comparison.

So I reshaped the toolbit and this time honed it with a diamond stone.

This is the result, bit of tiny brass, sorry it's so small...that's a 1mm drill bit to give an idea of size.

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/thebodger/Sealey%20Milller/Power%20drive/IMG_1836.jpgMill Power feed

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/thebodger/Sealey%20Milller/Power%20drive/IMG_1839.jpgMill Power feed

I noticed tonight how much the whole mill is vibrating (fly cutter is not balanced ). The mill is not bolted down and it's also on a flimsy table.
So I think I'll leave it at that for now till I remount the whole machine.

Ralph, if you come over Sat you can see it in action  :thumbup:
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Re: Mill Power feed
« Reply #84 on: April 23, 2009, 06:40:11 PM »
Darren,

I have many years of experience in sharpening cutters and setting feeds and speeds. What you are achieving here are your first tentative steps into precision machining.

Give it a little more time and experience, and all of a sudden, you will find that good finishes appear without even trying. I am not boasting at all, but that is the honest truth. From the time since you have realised you can do good work, rather than bodgit jobs, you are making remarkable progress, and that is no BS.

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Re: Mill Power feed
« Reply #85 on: April 23, 2009, 07:42:56 PM »
Thanks John,

All this effort is an attempt to try some methods for building your engine. It may look like I've sidetracked, but not really. Just trying a few things before going for the real thing  :thumbup:

Thanks for the compliment, from yourself it carries some weight... :bugeye:

I've said this before, I have struggled for some time with machining. Some pointers from all the guys here has really made it start to happen. I just watched and listened.

Monkey see...... :)
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Re: Mill Power feed
« Reply #86 on: April 24, 2009, 12:38:01 PM »

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Ralph, if you come over Sat you can see it in action  :thumbup:

Yes I will and erm... Yes I will  :)


That brass looks very good finish indeed.... Looks very nearly good enough to polish!? .... I really want a finish like that   :ddb: 


Soon, with a little help ehh Darren? nudge, nudge, wink, wink  :thumbup:   :wave:

 


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I noticed tonight how much the whole mill is vibrating (fly cutter is not balanced ). The mill is not bolted down and it's also on a flimsy table.

I have some bits that might help a little with this? I'll bring some with me and see..... Without looking at the whole ass'y it's hard to know if it'll work? .... But it might and that would be good  :D 


We will see about it tomorrow :thumbup:





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Re: Mill Power feed
« Reply #87 on: April 24, 2009, 12:41:38 PM »
Ralph, the finish on the brass is exceptional, if I could do ally the same I would be very happy indeed... :ddb:


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Re: Mill Power feed
« Reply #88 on: April 26, 2009, 09:48:37 AM »
Well... I've since been to Darrens dungeon of cool stuff..... Oh yes, it's full of cool stuff    :bugeye:  :thumbup:

I've seen that brass and the finish is truely exceptional.... It'd polish without flatting   :ddb:

We had the aluminium coming out pretty darn good too  :)



I've got some bits n pieces from Darren to aid in my power feed, so I'll be posting the results here if that's ok? It'll keep it all together :thumbup:

I've got a lot of work to do, but it should be fun and will definately be worth it   :zap:   :borg:




More on all this later :wave:



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Re: Mill Power feed
« Reply #89 on: May 02, 2009, 12:02:13 PM »
Right, After a quick private natter to Darren we decided that keeping all the power feed mod's together sounds good.... That said......


I've been a little busy  :dremel:


You've already seen the plate I started to make (if not... it's further back in this thread!)

Well here is the continuation of that....

Motor mounting, first the 11.5mm hole for the spigot shaft to enter through, then the 3 mounting holes ..... Yes I know I'm a bad lad for the Heath Robinson way of marking and eyeballing, but it works for me most of the time!! As it did here.  (I marked the hole points using the original motor mounting plate from the garage door op')

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll221/dividedhead/machine%20mods/Milling%20machine/DSC03265.jpgMill Power feed

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll221/dividedhead/machine%20mods/Milling%20machine/DSC03266.jpgMill Power feed

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll221/dividedhead/machine%20mods/Milling%20machine/DSC03267.jpgMill Power feed

Then I robbed another part from the garage door op' the spigot drive doofor thingy (technically accurate I think you'll find!?) 

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll221/dividedhead/machine%20mods/Milling%20machine/DSC03269.jpgMill Power feed

And two chain drive sprockets...

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll221/dividedhead/machine%20mods/Milling%20machine/DSC03271.jpgMill Power feed


I cut the plate next to allow me to get the hand wheel on whilst I worked out the placement of the rest of the parts..
Hacksaw and drill.... Then clean up with the mill and finally a file to remove all 90degree edges.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll221/dividedhead/machine%20mods/Milling%20machine/DSC03273.jpgMill Power feed

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll221/dividedhead/machine%20mods/Milling%20machine/DSC03275.jpgMill Power feed

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll221/dividedhead/machine%20mods/Milling%20machine/DSC03277.jpgMill Power feed

I then turned my attention to the sprockets... Drilled out the centre of the smaller one and loctited a 10mm stainless bar into it, machined the end to accept the spigot drive doofor thingy and loctited that on to the end of the sprocket.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll221/dividedhead/machine%20mods/Milling%20machine/DSC03280.jpgMill Power feed

The larger sprocket was bored out to accept the handwheel hub.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll221/dividedhead/machine%20mods/Milling%20machine/DSC03281.jpgMill Power feed

and then the dial was re-sized to allow fitting of the whole ass'y.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll221/dividedhead/machine%20mods/Milling%20machine/DSC03283.jpgMill Power feed

This is what we're left with...

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll221/dividedhead/machine%20mods/Milling%20machine/DSC03285.jpgMill Power feed

Then a bearing for the shart to allow pulling of the freely rotating shaft

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll221/dividedhead/machine%20mods/Milling%20machine/DSC03287.jpgMill Power feed

And finally for last night...

Engaged...

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll221/dividedhead/machine%20mods/Milling%20machine/DSC03288.jpgMill Power feed

Dis-engaged...

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll221/dividedhead/machine%20mods/Milling%20machine/DSC03289.jpgMill Power feed


 :)


Bit of a monster post, but I had a lot to show  :thumbup:


Next time, a chain and a little release mechanism for the spigot drive doofor thingy!



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Re: Mill Power feed
« Reply #90 on: May 02, 2009, 12:22:15 PM »
Nice job Darren

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I can see what you were explaining about the handle on your mill making things awkward.

On the face of it it will be easyer on my mill.

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Re: Mill Power feed
« Reply #91 on: May 02, 2009, 12:40:55 PM »
Her's a question

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As my machine has an handle at one end and the facilties for a drive at the other would it harm if I had the motor permeantly engauged ?.

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Re: Mill Power feed
« Reply #92 on: May 02, 2009, 02:07:59 PM »
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Her's a question

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As my machine has an handle at one end and the facilties for a drive at the other would it harm if I had the motor permeantly engauged ?.

Stew

Heavily geared motors Stew.... Most unlikely to work!  try turning it with a nut on the end of the shaft.... Should make it really clear!!  :thumbup:



Darren,

Much easier on your mill!

I'll get it done, even if I have to re-design the drive!!  :thumbup:



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Re: Mill Power feed
« Reply #93 on: May 02, 2009, 02:28:33 PM »
Stew, don't try to turn the shaft by hand, you might strip the teeth off the big gear.
Unlikely by hand, but you could probably do it with a hand wheel attached, like on the mill.  :thumbup:

Hence the disconnectin thingi bob wotsit

One gear is a worm wheel
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Re: Mill Power feed
« Reply #94 on: May 02, 2009, 02:37:02 PM »
OK Thanks for putting me straight Chaps

I'm not planning on doing anything just yet, Johns got some toothed belt drives for me to look at that may do the job.

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Re: Mill Power feed
« Reply #95 on: May 03, 2009, 09:08:47 PM »
If they are permanent magnet motors you'll create a current trying to turn the shaft. Might not be good for your electronics. Could cause voltage spikes. Plus the faster you try to turn the motor the more resistance.

For an experiment take a DC permanent magnet motor and tie the two leads together. You'll feel the resistance of trying to generate a current.

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Re: Mill Power feed
« Reply #96 on: May 04, 2009, 05:52:49 AM »
That's the back EMF I was talking about before.

I decided that it wouldn't be a problem in this situation for two reasons.

a: These types of motors stop dead when the power is switched off.

b: By using a center off switch we have disconnected them from the power supply completely when the switch is off.

Point to note about permanent magnet motors, they make very in-efficient generators, you really have to spin em fast to be of any use.
Better to use a field coil type motor I believe. 3 phase types can be very good.
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Re: Mill Power feed
« Reply #97 on: May 04, 2009, 04:37:24 PM »
Well.... This should be interesting to some of you?

Since it was a bank holiday today I decided to have a go in the shop.... Not good weather and a day for free   :)


So we left it needing a bit of a lever for the engage/disengage.... Well here's what I've been upto...

Bore a short adapter for holding a flanged bearing.
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll221/dividedhead/machine%20mods/Milling%20machine/DSC03296.jpgMill Power feed

Make a rear part to the bearing housing then cut a slot in it and cross drill, tap one half M5 and drill 5mm clearance through the oter half.
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll221/dividedhead/machine%20mods/Milling%20machine/DSC03298.jpgMill Power feed

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll221/dividedhead/machine%20mods/Milling%20machine/DSC03301.jpgMill Power feed
(plasticcy aluminium!!)

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll221/dividedhead/machine%20mods/Milling%20machine/DSC03302.jpgMill Power feed

Cross drill then shape and size (to 12mm) a mild steel bar
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll221/dividedhead/machine%20mods/Milling%20machine/DSC03304.jpgMill Power feed


Cut the 8mm slot in the bar (made over length since I was making this up as I went along!)
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll221/dividedhead/machine%20mods/Milling%20machine/DSC03309.jpgMill Power feed

Narrow the bar for the slot on the bearing holder to fit.
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll221/dividedhead/machine%20mods/Milling%20machine/DSC03311.jpgMill Power feed


Make the mounting for the lever..
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll221/dividedhead/machine%20mods/Milling%20machine/DSC03307.jpgMill Power feed

Mount the lever pivot mounting
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll221/dividedhead/machine%20mods/Milling%20machine/DSC03312.jpgMill Power feed

Cut and turn down the driveshaft to take the bearing (tapped M4 into the centre to hold the bearing on, not shown)
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll221/dividedhead/machine%20mods/Milling%20machine/DSC03313.jpgMill Power feed

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll221/dividedhead/machine%20mods/Milling%20machine/DSC03314.jpgMill Power feed

A quick and rough assembly of all parts... (Handle not cut to length and the allen bolts are to be replaced with purpose made 5mm bars threaded only where needed)

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll221/dividedhead/machine%20mods/Milling%20machine/DSC03315.jpgMill Power feed



Finally a couple of short vid's. Using the CB power supply donated by Darren (not yet modified) just to check it all works....


http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll221/dividedhead/machine%20mods/Milling%20machine/MOV03319.jpgMill Power feed

Got to swap the split link round... it's too deep on one side and occasionally catches the post! (the other side is the same depth as the rest of the chain)
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll221/dividedhead/machine%20mods/Milling%20machine/MOV03318.jpgMill Power feed


Hope that shows this will work  :thumbup:




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Re: Mill Power feed
« Reply #98 on: May 04, 2009, 04:42:20 PM »
Yup! I believe that shows it will work most definitely. Very good.

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Re: Mill Power feed
« Reply #99 on: May 04, 2009, 07:21:43 PM »
Thank you Eric  :thumbup: 


Just the electric trickery to figure out now..... I'm going back through the post to see what Darren wrote   :coffee:






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