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Title: Instrument makers vice''''s
Post by: Rob.Wilson on March 10, 2013, 03:53:27 PM
Evening Lads  :wave:

Carrying on from my vice jaw project I thought I may as well make a few small vices to hold fiddly parts  :dremel:
Dug out a couple of crust bit steel plate to make the vices from , these  got whacked over with the fly cutter ,I doooo like my new fly cutter  :ddb: :ddb:

(http://www.nam-engineering.com/cm/albums/userpics/10002/normal_P1060235.jpg)
(http://www.nam-engineering.com/cm/albums/userpics/10002/normal_P1060238.jpg)

Then the plate's were sliced up . couple of shots of machining the wider jaws up to form a T shape .

(http://www.nam-engineering.com/cm/albums/userpics/10002/normal_P1060241.jpg)
(http://www.nam-engineering.com/cm/albums/userpics/10002/normal_P1060248.jpg)

Fixed and moving Jaw blanks done .

(http://www.nam-engineering.com/cm/albums/userpics/10002/normal_P1060252.jpg)


then got carried away and forgot to take more machining photos , Thank F*&k I here you say  :lol: 

(http://www.nam-engineering.com/cm/albums/userpics/10002/normal_P1060255.jpg)
(http://www.nam-engineering.com/cm/albums/userpics/10002/normal_P1060261.jpg)


Cheers Rob


Title: Re: Instrument makers vice''''s
Post by: doubleboost on March 10, 2013, 04:04:19 PM
They will be ideal for holding bits together for brazing  :bugeye: :bugeye: :bugeye: :bugeye: :bugeye:
Very nice Rob
It is amazing what you find inside a crusty bit of plate  :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:
John
Title: Re: Instrument makers vice''''s
Post by: Deko on March 10, 2013, 04:05:32 PM
More mini masterpieces there Rob.  :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: I do wish you would stop putting us learners of, how the hell are we ever going to make stuff that good. :drool:

Cheers Dek. :med:
Title: Re: Instrument makers vice''''s
Post by: micktoon on March 10, 2013, 05:17:19 PM
  Hi Rob, looks like you have been busy and a spiffing job as per  :bow: :bow: :clap: :clap: :thumbup: :thumbup:, you should be more or less covered to hold anything you come across now I would think.......................... if you were an artist ........they would look back and probably say .....'this is when he was going through his vice stage ' lol

  Keep up the good work  :ddb:


 Cheere Mick.
Title: Re: Instrument makers vice''''s
Post by: krv3000 on March 10, 2013, 07:00:21 PM
as per rob brill work o i wish i had a mill
Title: Re: Instrument makers vice''''s
Post by: 02jcole on March 11, 2013, 03:31:28 PM
Is that a bit of soft solder trapped between the steel and the vice jaw?

James
Title: Re: Instrument makers vice''''s
Post by: Rob.Wilson on March 11, 2013, 03:47:44 PM
Is that a bit of soft solder trapped between the steel and the vice jaw?

James

Hi James ,,,,,,,close , its a bit aluminium welding rod .


Rob 
Title: Re: Instrument makers vice''''s
Post by: Brass_Machine on March 11, 2013, 03:50:24 PM
Is that a bit of soft solder trapped between the steel and the vice jaw?

James

Hi James ,,,,,,,close , its a bit aluminium welding rod .


Rob

I am pretty sure I know the purpose... but some of the newer guys may not. Why are you using it?

Eric
Title: Re: Instrument makers vice''''s
Post by: Rob.Wilson on March 11, 2013, 04:01:47 PM
Hi Eric ,,,,,,,,,yes I should have said  :palm:


Two reasons , In the first shot with the rusty/ruff edged plate its to save my vice jaws there is a length at the rear you cant see in the photo , and also I have a bit jaw lift ,placing a bit soft ally wire between the job and the jaw enables the work to be set down flat on both  parallels.


Rob
Title: Re: Instrument makers vice''''s
Post by: Rob.Wilson on March 11, 2013, 04:33:07 PM
Cheers John,Bob and Mick  :beer:


 :lol: :lol: Dek it looks like you have machining well under control  :thumbup:


Well not much shop time tonight ,some sort of celebration going on  :coffee:  ,anyway thought I would nip in the shop and do something about those razor sharp edges on the wider set of jaws , grabbed a small fixture plate I  made yonks ago .
 (http://www.nam-engineering.com/cm/albums/userpics/10002/normal_P1060290.jpg)

Just a lump of steel machine up square with a couple of vee's , a few tapped holes and a couple of camps , not hardened , that way it dose not matter if you machine into it ,or you may need to mod it in the future  :med: this one has lasted me about ten years . There great for holding small parts .
(http://www.nam-engineering.com/cm/albums/userpics/10002/normal_P1060289.jpg)
(http://www.nam-engineering.com/cm/albums/userpics/10002/normal_P1060287.jpg)
(http://www.nam-engineering.com/cm/albums/userpics/10002/normal_P1060291.jpg)

Set up in the mill vice to machine  chamfers .
(http://www.nam-engineering.com/cm/albums/userpics/10002/normal_P1060269.jpg)

I use a bit sheet material were the jack screws go , saves the surface getting marked.
(http://www.nam-engineering.com/cm/albums/userpics/10002/normal_P1060272.jpg)

one edge done .
(http://www.nam-engineering.com/cm/albums/userpics/10002/normal_P1060280.jpg)

flip the part and do the other edge
(http://www.nam-engineering.com/cm/albums/userpics/10002/normal_P1060282.jpg)


Looking safer and better.

(http://www.nam-engineering.com/cm/albums/userpics/10002/normal_P1060285.jpg)

Cheers Rob
Title: Re: Instrument makers vice''''s
Post by: Fredbare on March 11, 2013, 07:10:44 PM
Great work Rob, and thanks for the tip with the solder wire.

John
Title: Re: Instrument makers vice''''s
Post by: Meldonmech on March 12, 2013, 04:37:06 AM
Hi Rob,
               Handy fixture for chamfers much easier than fitting the angle vice.

                                                           Cheers   David
Title: Re: Instrument makers vice''''s
Post by: Rob.Wilson on March 17, 2013, 10:42:15 AM
Afternoon lads  :dremel:


Not allot done , been a bad week  :coffee: . Made up a few bushings ,three plane and three threaded 1/4 BSW pressed those into the jaws , then made the guide pins , hardened .

(http://www.nam-engineering.com/cm/albums/userpics/10002/normal_P1060299.jpg)

A quick polish and and these were then pressed into the fixed jaws

(http://www.nam-engineering.com/cm/albums/userpics/10002/normal_P1060307.jpg)


A bit of a side note , came in to the house to make a brew , found the wife had been doing something with here hair , spies this handy bottle in her hands .

(http://www.nam-engineering.com/cm/albums/userpics/10002/normal_P1060300.jpg)

Looking at it I thought hand wee oil bottle , So off came the label before Micktoon calls me gay AGAIN !  :lol: :lol:

 (http://www.nam-engineering.com/cm/albums/userpics/10002/normal_P1060305.jpg)

It has a nice small nozzle with screw on cap .

(http://www.nam-engineering.com/cm/albums/userpics/10002/normal_P1060301.jpg)

Back to the vice's ,rounded the ends of the moving jaw.

(http://www.nam-engineering.com/cm/albums/userpics/10002/normal_P1060294.jpg)

(http://www.nam-engineering.com/cm/albums/userpics/10002/normal_P1060311.jpg)

I sill need to make the screws , but thought I would have a bit mess on so i stuck a 1/4 screw in to try out one of the vice's .

 (http://www.nam-engineering.com/cm/albums/userpics/10002/normal_P1060312.jpg)

had ago at filling the hole square  :palm:

(http://www.nam-engineering.com/cm/albums/userpics/10002/normal_P1060314.jpg)
(http://www.nam-engineering.com/cm/albums/userpics/10002/normal_P1060315.jpg)

I need glasses  :Doh:


Cheers Rob
Title: Re: Instrument makers vice''''s
Post by: doubleboost on March 17, 2013, 11:02:24 AM
Very nice Rob :bow: :bow: :bow:
I have a box full of glasses if you want a look through them
John
Title: Re: Instrument makers vice''''s
Post by: Rob.Wilson on March 17, 2013, 11:05:30 AM

I have a box full of glasses if you want a look through them
John

Hi mate  ,,,,,, I said I need glasses ,,,,,,,,, I dont want to look back at the big bang  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



Rob
Title: Re: Instrument makers vice''''s
Post by: micktoon on March 17, 2013, 12:57:44 PM
Looking good Rob  :thumbup:  :bow:  :bow:..................... like you say good job you took that label off that bottle lol , I would be scared to use them if I ever turned out anything as good looking, I hope you are going to make a mahogany box for them with fitted velet lining  :drool: :drool:.

  Whats next on your list then ?

  Cheers Mick.
Title: Re: Instrument makers vice''''s
Post by: Rob.Wilson on March 17, 2013, 01:12:00 PM
Cheers Mick

Quote
make a mahogany box for them with fitted velet lining
Well if your offering  :poke: :lol: :lol:


I still have to make the leadscrews and levers  :dremel:


Rob
Title: Re: Instrument makers vice''''s
Post by: PeterE on March 17, 2013, 01:28:19 PM
Absolutely beautiful little vices Rob, very nicely done  :clap: :clap: :clap:

Just a small question, "Are you going to keep the long shanks square to hold in a bench vice, or will they rounded to fit in a bench holder of their own?"

BR

/Peter
Title: Re: Instrument makers vice''''s
Post by: Rob.Wilson on March 17, 2013, 01:44:08 PM
Thanks Peter  :beer:

I was toying with the idea before I started on this wee project of having a separate bench mount for the vices  ,but scrapped the idea due to lack of bench space  :palm: , so I decided on the square shanks so they would fit the bench vice , having my new set of  bench jaws I can position them just about any which way ,using the bench vice also elevates the work to a better/more comfortable working height for me , also being square if needed they could be used in the machine vices for light machining/grinding .

Rob
Title: Re: Instrument makers vice''''s
Post by: PeterE on March 17, 2013, 01:59:29 PM
OK, I see. I though you had given it some thinking before doing them.

Together with your newly updated vice (jaws) these little beauties will definately provide holding capability for just about anything in any size and angle.

 :bow:

BR

/Peter
Title: Re: Instrument makers vice''''s
Post by: ieezitin on March 17, 2013, 02:53:35 PM
Nice baby, they are very handy.

nothing wrong with taking ya wife's smellies into the shop ALONE.

I must of missed something, Why did mick call you gay in the first place?  :bugeye:


Anthony.
Title: Re: Instrument makers vice''''s
Post by: Rob.Wilson on March 23, 2013, 03:01:17 PM
Evening Lads  :beer:


Well got a wee bit shop time today and finished the vices  :dremel:

Screws in SS

(http://www.nam-engineering.com/cm/albums/userpics/10002/normal_P1060319.jpg)
(http://www.nam-engineering.com/cm/albums/userpics/10002/normal_P1060332.jpg)
(http://www.nam-engineering.com/cm/albums/userpics/10002/normal_P1060336.jpg)

So there we go a brace of vice''''s  :)

(http://www.nam-engineering.com/cm/albums/userpics/10002/normal_P1060337.jpg)
(http://www.nam-engineering.com/cm/albums/userpics/10002/normal_P1060346.jpg)

Cheers Rob



Title: Re: Instrument makers vice''''s
Post by: philf on March 23, 2013, 03:27:50 PM
Superb work as usual Rob  :thumbup:

Two questions:

The threads are very nice - did you just cut them with a die or did you use a die-head (or even screwcut them)?

How did you fix at least one of the ends on your tommy bars?

 :beer:

Phil.
Title: Re: Instrument makers vice''''s
Post by: doubleboost on March 23, 2013, 03:31:41 PM
Hi
Rob
Stunning as usuall  :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:
Much better than anything you could buy
John
Title: Re: Instrument makers vice''''s
Post by: NeoTech on March 23, 2013, 03:39:03 PM
As usual the quality of work is awsome.. How the hell do you get that shine in steel.. i have sanded, grinded and polished, i cant get that shine to stuff. *envy*  :drool:
Title: Re: Instrument makers vice''''s
Post by: krv3000 on March 23, 2013, 03:45:43 PM
well dun rob brill work as per  :clap:  :clap:
Title: Re: Instrument makers vice''''s
Post by: Rob.Wilson on March 23, 2013, 05:02:00 PM
Thanks Lads  :beer:


Superb work as usual Rob  :thumbup:

Two questions:

The threads are very nice - did you just cut them with a die or did you use a die-head (or even screwcut them)?

How did you fix at least one of the ends on your tommy bars?

 :beer:

Phil.

Hi Phil

The threads are screw cut /single point , I finned I get better results screw cutting .

The bar ends are separate pieces that screw on , if you look you can see the join in some of the photos .

 (http://www.nam-engineering.com/cm/albums/userpics/10002/normal_P1060330.jpg)


Thanks Rob
Title: Re: Instrument makers vice''''s
Post by: Rob.Wilson on March 29, 2013, 03:13:45 PM
Evening Lads

Well being a bank holiday in the UK thought I would mess around in the shop this afternoon and make a stand to store my wee vices .

(http://www.nam-engineering.com/cm/albums/userpics/10002/normal_P1060354.jpg)
(http://www.nam-engineering.com/cm/albums/userpics/10002/normal_P1060358.jpg)
(http://www.nam-engineering.com/cm/albums/userpics/10002/normal_P1060355.jpg)

(http://www.nam-engineering.com/cm/albums/userpics/10002/normal_P1060364.jpg)

Decided to blue the stand.
(http://www.nam-engineering.com/cm/albums/userpics/10002/normal_P1060373.jpg)

suppose I better stop messing about and get back on with the CNC mill
Rob
Title: Re: Instrument makers vice''''s
Post by: doubleboost on March 29, 2013, 03:35:18 PM
Very nice Rob
Did you use the die filer on the stand  :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
John
Title: Re: Instrument makers vice''''s
Post by: micktoon on March 29, 2013, 04:18:37 PM
 Total Class Rob  :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :thumbup: , they really do look quality and should work perfect too and the classy looking stand ........well thats just the cherry ontop of the cake  :clap: , Like John says you could not find a set like that to buy ( even if you had the money )  ......... Keep up the good work

  Cheers Mick.
Title: Re: Instrument makers vice''''s
Post by: DaveH on March 29, 2013, 04:20:45 PM
Very nice job Rob,  :bow: :thumbup: :clap:
 :beer:
DaveH
Title: Re: Instrument makers vice''''s
Post by: NeoTech on March 29, 2013, 05:18:14 PM
.... thats some neat square holes.. you have a EDM machine hidden you havent told us about?   :scratch:
Title: Re: Instrument makers vice''''s
Post by: mosey on March 29, 2013, 05:49:11 PM
Messing around? You must be kidding.

I think he uses Shinyium  spray before he finish mills them, and the patented Swedish "Squareholing" drill to make those holes.

Stop it, I can't stand work so good!

Mosey
Title: Re: Instrument makers vice''''s
Post by: Alan Haisley on March 29, 2013, 08:46:39 PM
Now it's time to get out the furnace and blow a glass globe to cover those. The museum will appreciate it.  :clap:
Title: Re: Instrument makers vice''''s
Post by: Rob.Wilson on March 30, 2013, 04:55:57 AM
Thank you all  for the compliments   :beer: 

.... thats some neat square holes.. you have a EDM machine hidden you havent told us about?   :scratch:

I wish I did Neo , I filed the squares out , an EDM would make for an interesting project  :smart: I wonder how hard it would be to  build one   :scratch:

Thanks Rob
Title: Re: Instrument makers vice''''s
Post by: NeoTech on March 30, 2013, 05:31:30 AM
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/EDMHomeBuilders/messages

Start there.. And there is a book by "Ben Fleming".. called "The EDM Howto book".. with complete schematics for a sinker EDM, which is well what you need for making odd shaped holes in stuff.. =)

The whole apparatus is not that hard to build actually..  i have been looking into making a wire EDM.. but other projects must be completed first.  ;)
Title: Re: Instrument makers vice''''s
Post by: Rob.Wilson on March 30, 2013, 05:56:31 AM
Cheers  :thumbup:

Wire EDM  :zap:  ,  interesting , probably allot more complicated  :palm:


Rob


Title: Re: Instrument makers vice''''s
Post by: awemawson on March 30, 2013, 07:14:19 AM
I have both a Die Sinker EDM (Eurospark H425) and a Wire EDM (Fanuc Tapecut Model M) in my workshop but I suspect I'd probably broach holes like that if I were making it. The EDM process is painfully slow. Drilling a hole and pushing a broach though is lightening fast by comparison!
Title: Re: Instrument makers vice''''s
Post by: mosey on March 30, 2013, 09:44:16 AM
I recall watching a wire EDM cutting a 12" thick block of die steel at an expo. It ran all weekend, but it cut a slot the thickness of the wire. Incredible.
Mosey