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The Breakroom => The Water Cooler => Topic started by: Bluechip on October 19, 2010, 01:41:52 PM

Title: No ABS then ??
Post by: Bluechip on October 19, 2010, 01:41:52 PM

Hmmmm....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1321802/Steam-engine-travelling-speed-just-8mph-crashes-garden.html

Includes sarky comment re: Mamod.   Not you by any chance Mr. SD ??

Dave BC

Title: Re: No ABS then ??
Post by: John Swift on October 19, 2010, 02:03:00 PM

Hi Dave

didn't Fred Dibnah demolish a wall or gate post with his steam  engine
I think they don't have any brakes

  John

Title: Re: No ABS then ??
Post by: Bluechip on October 19, 2010, 02:28:39 PM

Hi John

Yes, you're right, he did. Got it on a DVD somewhere. I think they do have brakes, 'cos on another (?) DVD he's scrounging some poplar, IIRC, for brake blocks.



Dave BC

Title: Re: No ABS then ??
Post by: Ned Ludd on October 19, 2010, 02:47:25 PM

To quote one of the characters in "All Gas and Gaiters", "Oh, Calamity".
To quote me, "Ouch"

They do have brakes, but steel tyres have little or no grip.
Ned

Title: Re: No ABS then ??
Post by: fixit on October 19, 2010, 03:48:36 PM

What a shame !

Title: Re: No ABS then ??
Post by: Stilldrillin on October 19, 2010, 03:59:33 PM

That's Ouch!  From me too!   (http://serve.mysmiley.net/sad/sad0141.gif) (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-laughing-smileys.php)

Me! Sarky comments, Dave?   :bugeye:  Nah! Not me! 

That looks very sad....... Hope it's fixed as easily as Fred's was.....  :thumbup:

David D

Title: Re: No ABS then ??
Post by: John Hill on October 19, 2010, 04:15:29 PM

I do not think they do have brakes as we know them, some had a hardwood block that could lock one or two rear wheels for parking purposes but nothing that would be usable to control a downhill run-away.

As far as I know the way to slow and stop them is by use of the reversing lever and it is really bad news if the machine gets out of gear on a downhill run or worse yet if it strips a pinion.

Title: Re: No ABS then ??
Post by: cidrontmg on October 19, 2010, 07:17:26 PM

I didn´t see anything resembling the front wheels (or axle) there, unless there´s one below the caravan. Maybe they parted company when it hit the car? It also seems to have dug quite deep in the ground before hitting the wall.
Might (or should) there have been a man walking in front of it, waving a red flag? Is that particular piece of British legislation still in vigour?

Title: Re: No ABS then ??
Post by: John Hill on October 19, 2010, 07:37:01 PM

Hmmmmm..... the flat rear tyres make me think this might be a road roller.
(http://www.cpsu.org.au/multiattachments/17675/Image/steamroller.JPG)
See how the roller is carried on a bracket extending from the front of the smoke box and see how the crashed machine has a broken casting in that area?

I think this is a steam roller and quite a big chunk of it is further down the road!

Title: Re: No ABS then ??
Post by: j45on on October 19, 2010, 08:07:57 PM

Here's the piccy
(http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt102/ja2onx/Screenshot2010-10-20at010502.jpg)

Title: Re: No ABS then ??
Post by: cidrontmg on October 19, 2010, 10:02:55 PM

Quote from: John Hill on October 19, 2010, 07:37:01 PM

Hmmmmm..... the flat rear tyres make me think this might be a road roller.

I think this is a steam roller and quite a big chunk of it is further down the road!

Another look, and yes, you´re right. I´d also bet it is/was a road roller. See the text (S.KAVANAGH, ROAD CONTRACTOR, SURREY.), which is probably original, and there are also the scraper boards in the back wheels, to scrape the tar + stones off them. That´s a big casting to solder back together...  :bang:  :bang:  :bang:
 :wave:

Title: Re: No ABS then ??
Post by: Bogstandard on October 19, 2010, 11:24:45 PM

It wouldn't have mattered if he did have brakes, once you get steel sliding on a smooth surface, it is just as though it is on ice. Plus the fact the two trailers were adding to the downslope force.

Many more years of hard work and pocket dipping to get that back into working condition.


Bogs

Title: Re: No ABS then ??
Post by: Stilldrillin on October 20, 2010, 01:51:53 AM

Here she is/ was. Name of Sarah. Built 1894......

http://www.steamscenes.org.uk/engines/aveling-porter/road-roller/3430/60/

http://www.steamscenes.org.uk/engines/aveling-porter/road-roller/3430/details/

Hope it's not too long 'til she's performing again!  :thumbup:

David D

Title: Re: No ABS then ??
Post by: Brass_Machine on October 20, 2010, 02:01:42 PM

Hope so, be a shame if they didn't fix her.

Eric

Title: Re: No ABS then ??
Post by: John Rudd on October 22, 2010, 06:52:56 AM

Fred did have an altercation with a stone built object...I was watching the video of him yesterday and he described how it came about..

Apparantly he was shifting some stone blocks on the back of a trailer and was negotiating a downhill slope at some 40 mile an hour...He decided to stop the steam roller by 'crashing' it into what is now a stone block of somewhat smaller proportion after it had been rebuilt...He went on to say that if his traction engine had been roadworthy it would have saved him a lot of grief......