MadModder
The Shop => Our Shop => Topic started by: ChriX on September 02, 2011, 07:10:24 AM
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Thought I'd post up some photos of my current project - building a new workshop. Hopefully you guys will be able to give me some pointers along the way. It is going to be an 'r' shape as you will see from the photos, with small part for a machine shop and the long part for woodworking with space to get a car in when necessary (for servicing etc.). The outside area will be an idea space for playing with stationary engines and messy jobs. By my very rough calculations I think the final floor space should be a touch over 500 sqft.
Anyway here are some photos:
This (unfortunately) is the earliest photo I have. Up to this point we have cleared a lot of overgrown weeds, and pulled down an old stable and lifted the concrete floor underneath it.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-1a_15RCEBx8/TmCyFHXX8VI/AAAAAAAAACw/VateGrKIF08/s800/IMG_0505.jpg)
The concrete broken up in to more managable chunks to be moved away.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/--NsgyhyDr20/TmCyGhOWxaI/AAAAAAAAAC0/IuwFv_W1h0M/s800/IMG_0513.jpg)
A view of the right hand side area.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-iR4EERXRXzQ/TmCyH_OZtdI/AAAAAAAAAC4/gmx4IqOeCws/s800/IMG_0514.jpg)
Another right hand side view with the beginnings of some footings.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-YLJmLCKMW8U/TmCyJIb3CcI/AAAAAAAAAC8/0EoAkGlR8o0/s800/IMG_0524.jpg)
That's it for now. I'd like to get your views on if the machine tools should be partitioned off from the woodworking section? It seems like wood dust and oily tools would end up in a right mess to me, but I am a long way off having to make the decision.
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I'd go for a partition. I have recently been shaping some hardwood on my milling machine, having wiped the oil off every exposed surface as best I could, but it was still covered in dust right up to to the top of the spindle head. If you start using power saws, routers etc in the same space as your nicely oiled metalworking machines, the wood dust will stick to them like sh1t to a blanket.
A stud partition clad in chipboard makes it easy to hang things up.
Andy
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ChriX,
You have a big job going on there.
Will be nice to watch the progress.
:beer:
DaveH
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I love watching shops get built. :headbang:
Andy has a good idea, Partition it if you can. That brown stuff is nasty. :dremel:
You can never have too many power plugs or lights.
What are you doing for flooring? Heat/ac?
Eric
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Thanks for the replies! I sketched out the following (sorry for the poor quality, was not near a camera/scanner so used a webcam).
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-F-Blybt4ZAc/TmIvC4nLaFI/AAAAAAAAAEk/fokgMfVMwZk/s800/plan.jpg)
We may leave out the foam insulation under the floor. I am also unsure how many membranes/vapour barriers I need for the walls - does what I have make sense? I've got one between the outer cladding and insulation and then another between the insulation and inner cladding, which may not be necessary?
I am hoping to get away with minimal electric heating, just one of those oil filled radiators I expect, but we also have an old woodburner to go in to make things nice and cosy occasionally during the winter.
This makes things much easier... :headbang:
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-S1sP0txKHyk/TmCyKfTuQJI/AAAAAAAAADA/ukWk8nQKv8Y/s800/IMG_0525.jpg)
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I also like threads like this and will be watching with interest.
Looks like you have put a lot of work in already. :beer:
Dave
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one tip , the slab should be free floating in that you also put 25mm of expanded polystyrene up to skirting level , so the slab is fully wrapped bottom and ends in polystyrene.
Peter
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When i had prepared the ground ready for the concrete slab,Some one told me to have fiberglass material added to the mix as it strengthens up the slab so i phoned the company and they said yea no problem it will cost a little more so i had it added,,Just a thought when you order the concrete ask how much for the fiberglass material to be added.
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Don't forget you can get colour added if you want as well. It's available over here, so you should be able to get it over their. It will save on paint if you are thinking of going that way, but much cheaper.
My floor was finished with a helicopter type finishing machine which leaves a smooth finish. It is a lot easier to sweep than the standard float finished floor and machinery etc, will roll around easier as well.
Mine has been down for 30+ years and is still in great shape.
Even if you have to pay someone to come around with a machine to do it, it is worth it and you wont regret it. When it's wet it's not slippery like paint. You can still do all the form work, pour and screed, etc yourself, and he just runs the machine over when the concrete has gone off a bit.
Dave
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Thanks for the tips. I will definitely get fibreglass in the mix. I have an offer from someone who has done a lot of fine-finished slabs to help out so will be OK I think, but I may get a quote from a power-finish guy as well. We have decided to drop the floor insulation and just have mats/floor covering where necessary to keep the feet warm.
Could someone take a look at my wall diagram and give me some feedback? Not really sure about the membranes/insulation combo and what order things should go in.
In the meantime here are some more photos:
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-qcim2s6JCgg/TmCyL4p4yzI/AAAAAAAAADE/7MhhOmmttrM/s800/IMG_0526.jpg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-8ijbKCyBO1M/TmCyQLR7nXI/AAAAAAAAADQ/lyn2uS3sM_U/s800/IMG_0529.JPG)
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Could someone take a look at my wall diagram and give me some feedback? Not really sure about the membranes/insulation combo and what order things should go in.
You show horizontal weather boarding in which case your battens should be vertical.
Breathable membrain on outside of studwork is fine.
Use the cavity bats in the wall not the lighter rockwool on a roll thats used in lofts etc. If you can afford the extra then kingspan or celotex will give better insulation.
Some say that you don't need a vapour barrier if using plywood but for the little extra cost of a roll of polythene and a few staples I would always fit it and then you have no risk of interstitual condensation withing the insulation. If using celotex then you can tape the joints with foil tape insted of fitting a vapour barrier.
Oh and add a sheet of reinforcing mesh into the slab even with the fibres.
Jason
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ChriX,
I operate excavators for a living and have done foundation work. You don't want to disturb the ground under where your footings are going with the bucket teeth. Use the flat bottom of the bucket and the bottom of your footings trench should be flat and level. Remove ALL of the loose material from that trench and especially the darker topsoil looking material. If you have to go back in and redig those trenches to get undisturbed and a flat and level surface for the concrete then you need to do so. Without that your footings will crack. I'm 100% positive of that.
Pete
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Thanks Jason & Pete - all a great help.
Jason when you say reinforcing mesh - do you mean rebar? This stuff? http://buildingmaterials.co.uk/Rebar/Rebar-Mesh.html
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ChriX,
Your welcome, But I may have made a bunch more work for you. It's too bad I hadn't seen your first postings. One further thought you may not like. Since it's going to be a shop your going to have heavy objects that the floor needs to support. The material inside your footings needs the same approach too. Any rubble ect needs to come out and down to undisturbed non topsoil type ground. Generally a crushed sand and gravel mix is brought in then mechanicly compacted after the footings are cured. Then the poured concrete floor sits on that. Even with rebar, metal screen, fiberglass ect in the concrete, It needs a firm, stable base to prevent cracks. That's the problem with concrete work, You only have one shot at doing it right so you don't have problems later. If you think you need any other info I can provide, Then feel free to PM me. I certainly don't know everything about concrete work but I know enough for your job.
Pete
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Yes A142 mesh placed mid way through teh slab will be fine.
As Pete says you don't need the hardcore in the bottom of the trench, just good solid sub soil. If it were a building subject to building regs the building inspector would likely make you dig it out, even if you get a bit of rain in a trench they will want all the wet soil ccraped back to firm before you pour the concrete.
The reason for no hardcore is that even if well compacted there will be voids and over time the soil will find its way into these voids causing the footings to settle. Its not so bad on a slab as the loading is over a much larger area but again just throwing in a load of old bricks is not the way to do the hardcore, wants to be crushed conc/brick and well compacted with a whacker plate. Having said that if its just a mini lateh you have then it will be OK, maybe not so with a couple of ton of DS&G.
Jason
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Pete we gave all the trenches a good clear out of the loose material. A good portion of it had a really solid base - the machine wouldn't go through it anymore. The rest was reasonably good but we had to compact it down by hand.
It was dry when we started pouring but then there was a massive downpour followed by continuous rain on top of the concrete - everyone got soaked. We had to wait probably 4-5 hours before we could float it to get an even surface on top.
Here are some photos from the morning after:
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-zSAWjqIsAh8/TmCyRnLHLiI/AAAAAAAAADU/CjKRd2NjdMQ/s800/IMG_0536.JPG)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-4aL8YMgy5NU/TmCyUb2MfII/AAAAAAAAADc/qeFWhcjppw8/s800/IMG_0538.JPG)
Next comes the digging out to remove all the loose debris before laying down the hardcore. I am tempted to buy a used wacker plate then just resell it afterwards - the hire cost makes up quite a large percentage of the cost of the unit.
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ChriX,
I'm a little late responding, (home renos) It looks to me you did well. You got the concrete in before the rain so it should be fine. Careful when your digging out the material in the center. Cured concrete has very little strength if you tap it with a bucket. Green concrete like you'll have is really weak. Dig alongside your footings and let the material that's tight to the footings fall into where your digging. Better to take 4 hours longer than risk breaking all your hard work.
Pete.
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A block delivery.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-JjId4H_eeQ8/TmCyXHIQkFI/AAAAAAAAADk/JBbbkIxtHCQ/s800/IMG_0550.JPG)
Then some of them laid.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-VN8TdzxjyzI/TmOLjplup4I/AAAAAAAAAIY/v-BROMndgzM/s800/IMG_0551.JPG)
Pete thanks for the advice but we are digging the centre out by hand so no danger of disturbing the footings with the bucket. This has actually been done now, I am slightly behind with my photos. I have a compactor plate coming on Friday, so hope to have the area ready for the floor by the end of the weekend, but the pour won't be for another week or two yet.
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ChriX,
:beer: It's looking good. You'll never look at a concrete floor the same way again. It's FAR more work than most people realise. That's going to be a nice sized shop.
Pete
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ChriX,
Hi have just found the log it’s looking good.
Hope I’ve got you in time, just a couple of small questions/pointers. Are you installing any water, drains, electric. Any service you are going to install, the sooner you can make provision the better. Even if at this stage it is only a 4” or 6” duct rising above floor level from outside the founds, it will be a lot easier/quicker later.
Bill
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Hi Bill - thanks for the advice. Wasn't planning on any water/drains but I will see if I can put a duct in for future use.
While I am here can anyone advise where I can get some 50mm rebar mesh spacers/supports at short notice? Next day delivery a requirement. I am a bit behind with the photos but the floor pour is looking like this Saturday.
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Are you looking to use the spacers to hold up the rebar in the concrete? If so they aren't really needed as long as your rebar is tied together you can just pull it up while pouring the concrete. I have seen people use bricks snapped in half as spacers too, but personally I think that this causes a week spot in the concrete.
Good luck with the pour!
Dale P.
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Time for a catch up with the photos I reckon.
Hardcore going in before compaction:
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tQCsCspSNRg/ToTI8-9omqI/AAAAAAAAAIo/CN9wHWAIOOM/s800/Photo%25252021-09-2011%25252008%25252004%25252001.jpeg)
View of the large pile of ballast to be compacted in on top of the hardcore:
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-SVqqjyLIGOs/ToTI-TdHvhI/AAAAAAAAAIs/3dGZEHY1GGU/s800/Photo%25252021-09-2011%25252008%25252003%25252041.jpeg)
DPM & Steel in place and ready:
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-MD83IlXP8ts/TodBhqsMd5I/AAAAAAAAAI4/xUMJuD3G4XY/s800/Photo%25252001-10-2011%25252007%25252022%25252013.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-e-CcEWBnJ9c/TodBjMdCI_I/AAAAAAAAAI8/AHEYHIYL7pM/s800/Photo%25252001-10-2011%25252007%25252021%25252046.jpg)
Some hard work later...
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-0eVyIRkdhTo/TodBgkrKFTI/AAAAAAAAAI0/EFXjgAMtQjE/s800/Photo%25252001-10-2011%25252015%25252057%25252039.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/--OcEi1vQI4c/TodBksFoolI/AAAAAAAAAJA/v_LG8O4hoEc/s800/Photo%25252001-10-2011%25252015%25252058%25252014.jpg)
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Great stuff, Chris. Must have been hot work, if you are having weather like ours near Manchester.
Andy
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Talk about starting from the ground up :headbang: :headbang:
Rob
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:beer: Very nice job. It looks proffesionally done.
Pete
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That looks a propper job :thumbup: :thumbup:
Dont forget to water it
John
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Also don't forget to cut in control joints before the slab cures fully.
Dale P.
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muy buen trabajo , puedes visitar www.maquinasbloqueras.com.mx yo fabrico maquinas para hacer block gracias :doh:
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muy buen trabajo , puedes visitar www.maquinasbloqueras.com.mx yo fabrico maquinas para hacer block gracias :doh:
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very good job, I can visit www.maquinasbloqueras.com.mx makes machines for block by
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When I built my shed it was insulated with 4" styrofoam and and tong and groove cladding on the outside. I also had the same insulation on the roof. The biggest extravagance I had was I lined out the inside with 3/4" ply which means I can fix any thing any where I want with out looking for the framework to fix to.
The shed is 4x4.5 metres and keeps warm with the minimum of heat in put, you cant beat good insulation. :clap:
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Reasonably slow progress recently (at least compared to the pace we were going at to get the pour done before the end of the 'Summer'), a couple of update photos:
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-SxCb9No55M0/TqQtovN9gqI/AAAAAAAAAJE/GSrMwqBFGk8/s800/IMG_0607.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-zA7VsIgOmAk/TqQtr9K-cRI/AAAAAAAAAJM/-ZvowdAITmw/s800/IMG_0608.jpg)
Does anyone know anything about garage doors? I have been given one without a frame or operating gear and am trying to work out what I need to get it mounted. I understand there are various types of operation and I need one that matches the fittings on the door itself.
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ChriX,
That's coming along nicely. Sorry can't help you with the door.
Not sure what design of roof you'll be using, But I'd really recommend NOT going with a flat roof. It's not IF it will leak, It's just when it's going to leak. You may already know that of course.
Pete
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Hi,
Quick answer is yes.
If you mean roller shutter doors, then there is a channel section that runs down each side of the door, for the end of the shutter as it moves up/down. Then if it is electrically powered, there will be two limit switches one for the end of travel down and the other for the end of travel up. These are either positioned down one side of the door or may be on the revolving drum that the shutter rolls onto as it goes up. The other item is a contactor/switch to drive the motor in the direction required, this part could be all integral with the drive motor arrangement and an electronic zapper for up and down directions.
Hope this helps.
Looking good, when is the roof going on??? :D
Bill
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Great build
Bill, I think chris needs to build the walls higher before he puts the roof on :D :D
Mike
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Great build
Bill, I think chris needs to build the walls higher before he puts the roof on :D :D
Mike
I'll agree with that Mike. :lol: :lol:
Cheers :beer:
Don
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Mike Don
are you certain about the roof ? :) :D :)
just think about it, the sooner the roof goes on the dryer it will be to build the walls :loco: :loco: :loco:
Bill
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Mike Don
are you certain about the roof ?
just think about it, the sooner the roof goes on the dryer it will be to build the walls :loco: :loco: :loco:
Bill
Bill
Good point. I definitely want pictures of how they build the walls after they have the roof on. Should be interesting.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Cheers :beer:
Don
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I have heard of a new system where they start building the walls from the top down. :poke:
Mike
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Your doing an excellent job there, stay strong.
Re the garage doors google Henderson Doors, lots of info there.
Regards
John
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It's funny you should joke about doing the roof first - we considered it! After all it would be a lot easier to build it at ground level, but no easy way to lift it after it's done. :beer:
Here's a couple of update photos for you.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ND8okHsXiVU/TrMFNm7RDvI/AAAAAAAAAKM/KWBMmF8lSAw/s800/IMG_0641.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-2bjfs6qWGn4/TrMFO4zCUKI/AAAAAAAAAKU/BVseEz6Vr-g/s800/IMG_0644.jpg)
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Hi chrix
your doing a good job, i hope the weather don't hold you up, i bet your itching to get it finished and move in :D happy days
atvb
scoot
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You cant beat a diagonal brace to stiffen things up :lol: :lol: :lol:
Looking very good
John
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I am very much looking forward to moving in! Just updated my spreadsheet of costs, a bad idea :palm:
Anyway, a couple more; thats the frame for the two long walls done as well now - there are 3 panels leaning against the back wall. 3 small walls left to do, these are a bit more work though as each one has a door/window in it. Roughly 350 100mm screws have gone in up to this point (who needs nails!?).
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-pMWD4TXsfcE/TrbTx-4dJkI/AAAAAAAAAKc/UPFv8jwOYwU/s800/IMG_0651.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-JCCWnumQ25Y/TrbTzKHcIeI/AAAAAAAAAKk/0X7pMq6Fp9g/s800/IMG_0652.jpg)
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Still going...
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-W2_h6n2tzfY/TsQl3pQjBgI/AAAAAAAAALY/z-cYfKs_uH4/s800/IMG_0661.jpg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-fWgyDp7c-HI/TsQl4rU5HGI/AAAAAAAAALg/xaRxrpvxehs/s800/IMG_0665.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ovrRQ2EHypA/TsQl6LhWa3I/AAAAAAAAALo/aHkKxWZFbO4/s800/IMG_0666.jpg)
Thanks for the recommendation about Henderson doors - they were helpful but still couldn't sell me what I need. I am considering getting a standard 7ft door frame and lifting gear and cutting it down the middle to widen it to 10ft!
Another thing I am trying to decide upon is the lighting - I think I am going for 3 rows of 3 6ft single strip lights down the main area, but not sure about the corner. It's hard to tell what's going to be enough without trying it. I can always add focused lights for specific machines/areas though I guess.
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Chrix
Things keep looking better :clap: :clap: :clap:
Bill
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Great progress Chris! :thumbup:
If I can make a couple of suggestions?
Put in as much natural lighting as you can, translucent roofing sheets are supposed to be good.
Another is to build in at least one strong point, reinforced trusses etc, so that you can easily lift things off your truck or trailer, even if you have an engine lift you might not be able to lift heavy stuff off the middle of your trailer. My last suggestion, which worked out very well for me, is to put power points in the ceiling.
OK, thats enough from me... :beer:
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I'll second Bill and John's comments. A question though. It could be the lighting, But is that wood an anti rot type pressure treated wood? With the walls up, That shop is far larger that it first seemed with just the bare foundation and floor pictures.
Pete
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Thanks for the comments - I like the reinforced truss idea John! That is something I hadn't thought about.
Pete: yes it is all pressure treated 2x4.
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Ok, Obviously I don't know anything about just what the U.K. uses for chemicals in your pressure treated wood. But if it's like what we have changed to a few years ago then I really hope you used stainless steel nails and screws. The new type of pressure treated wood over here will eat up standard screws and nails in around 3 years. Just thought I might mention that.
Pete
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I did read through some information leaflets from the manufacturer and didn't find any mentions of that issue Pete, so I am hoping it's different stuff. I've also spoken to a lot of people and nobody has mentioned it. I'm not about to take it all apart and do it again (at least not without some evidence using the same wood and screws) so I'll just have to see what happens. The majority of it is 6x100 Goldscrews, and additionally the wood is going to be nice and dry so I am hoping that will prolong the life. Maybe I'll be back here in 5 years with a rebuild thread, but I'm hoping for more like 25! :thumbup:
A plus point though - if the walls do fall down, at least I won't have to do the floor again!
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ChriX,
Maybe someone who has experience with the U.K. type pressure treated wood can add to this? With luck you'll be fine. The new types of chemicals used on our pressure treated wood is a large problem over here though.
Pete
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most fixings in the uk have a coating as is req to meet building regs a lot are sheradised and have been for a long time all the nails used in nail guns are and have a hot glue coating to hold them as well as rings, you should not have problems with the tanalising used in the uk.
peter
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A quick update to keep things moving. Unfortunately the weather is holding us up a bit now, not too much yet though, still plenty of jobs that can be done indoors.
Got some lights - £75 for all of the below, which I'm pleased with!
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Q1f84PZcaJU/TtvCC6oeY5I/AAAAAAAAAMg/ZkIRUU-33TU/s800/IMG_0671.jpg)
We have also made it to roof level so have been making rafters this weekend (2x6).
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-T3fjIm3nEYI/TtvA8ZCoVVI/AAAAAAAAAMQ/IYtsiq1S73U/s800/IMG_0686.jpg)
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A quick update, it's been a while what with Christmas, but we are still cracking on.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-foDk1t8MTKI/Tx8yaNF90QI/AAAAAAAAAMo/RN0IHbuiH6k/s800/IMG_0748.jpg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-eP5T7h65_ro/Tx8yatRqAzI/AAAAAAAAAMs/3ckvXnzXOe4/s800/IMG_0749.jpg)
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Glad to see the process. It is going to be a nice shop!
Eric
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Good to see things are still advancing Chris! :thumbup:
David D
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Somehow it's been 2 months since I updated this thread, if anyone is still following I've got a few more photos to share!
Here's the front gable end above the main garage door - that bit of wood was up there for the ridge to rest on when we slotted it in, and will disappear shortly.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-M23GmQKNlDw/T1pCHQ-68iI/AAAAAAAAANI/8cknB-3r9e4/s800/IMG_0783.jpg)
This area took a long time - a lot of compound angles! I haven't done anything like this before so a lot of them took a few tries to get right, but it's only a case of recutting the angle and then when it's right cut to length on the other end so no real waste.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-BAuoRwAPdbE/T1pCIPuVy6I/AAAAAAAAANQ/AS3p2HYML7U/s800/IMG_0784.jpg)
Couple of overview shots:
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-hxYQLHQ9ZhI/T1pCJr4f5mI/AAAAAAAAANU/Nz9lN0n_vj4/s800/IMG_0785.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-QgMeQH2xQeg/T1pCKTsCxzI/AAAAAAAAANc/41Y070FKhkI/s800/IMG_0786.jpg)
This bit was another first for me, never done any stone walling before. Granted this is a very small job but still found it quite time consuming to get going. We had to build the existing wall up to meet the future roof line of the building. Before:
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-lCXcNJyVjmk/T1pCLLubhtI/AAAAAAAAANk/efrdFN_FnKs/s800/IMG_0794.jpg)
And after!
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Same goes for along the back wall. All the space between the rafters has been filled with stonework.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ZonmLEYLXU0/T1-ybYN8bKI/AAAAAAAAAOQ/nfdWdvCfHv4/s800/IMG_0814.jpg)
With just the rafters holding the ridge the roof was quite flexible. I was hoping to get away without having to add any joists but it just wasn't anywhere near solid enough. Here's what we added:
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-kns1GOHGwnE/T1-yasBbwbI/AAAAAAAAAOE/Lri1GeDou64/s800/IMG_0811.jpg)
You can see here that because the rafters are not directly above the studs we had to add something to take the end. Dad cut up some RSJ offcuts and welded up the brackets. They are a snug fit, bolted up and down and then the joist is bolted to them. The block of wood underneath is to take the weight off the bolts as well as to receive the screws for the final wall covering joint.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-N7dqScuLvSk/T1-yZPlmkzI/AAAAAAAAAOA/zSYVAdgPB2g/s800/IMG_0810.jpg)
Cutting the mortice in the joist (one of the machines currently awaiting a new home!):
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-SgNJ9PpSVnc/T1-yYrCaiEI/AAAAAAAAAN4/M4mSfNuD-BE/s800/IMG_0809.jpg)
Finally, the most recent work has been on preparing for the roof. I am still unsettled as to how the roof layers should go together, may post a diagram later. In the photo below we've just put all the fascia board on.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-5TPeZjPDMyU/T27Sk4Do36I/AAAAAAAAAO8/jCYpqRzicyg/s800/IMG_0830.jpg)
Cheers :beer:
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Still following ChriX
wish i wasn't ,,,,,,mumble ,,,,,,,mumble ,,,,,, now i have shop envy :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
And it looks like you will have a grand view from your shop window :thumbup:
Rob
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Looks a top class job, Chris!
Like Rob, I'm envious of both the shop you're going to have and its location.
I'll be interested to see what you use for the roof, when you get to it; you must have something pretty rigid in mind to span the gaps between your rafters.
Andy
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Chris,
Yep I'm still following it. :)
It does look good :thumbup: :clap:
:beer:
DaveH
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Still following Chris! :thumbup:
Rather envious of the elbow room you have available. Inside, and out! :drool:
David D
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Thanks for all the nice comments. If you guys have shop envy I definitely have machine envy - I won't be able to afford to put anything inside it at this rate! It has been a brilliant weekend to be outside working on it.
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That is some serious progress Chris!!!
Looking very good from this side!
Keep it up!! :headbang:
Andrew
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Very nice Chris. That is going to be a great shop.
The surrounding area looks pretty nice too!
Eric
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Righto here is my roof plan.
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4950766/Photo%2028-03-2012%2022%2001%2013.jpg)
As I understand it the danger with the steel roof is that it is prone to condensation. For that reason I have opted for a breathable membrane with an air gap both above and below to try to reduce this risk. As I see it the first anti-condensation method is the vapour barrier to stop the warm air getting anywhere near the insulation - let alone the other side of it. Then there is a large breathable area open to the outside via soffit vents, but I think this should be vented at the ridge too, but not sure how to achieve this. Then I have got a breathable membrane (something like Protect VP400), with battens on top, after which the steel will go on.
I don't know if I need the breathable one, but am paranoid about condensation destroying the insulation, so that's why it's there. Otherwise the steel would sit right on top of the rafters/purlins which is much easier to do!
I'd value anyone's input on the above, I am still not committed to any part of it.
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Chris, Have you thought about using insulated roof sheets. They will solve the problem of condensation.
There was an article in Model Engineers Workshop N0 116 page 17, where the guy builds a workshop and uses composite cladding. He located a firm in Shropshire that sells affcuts and seconds http:/www.slecladding.co.uk , may be worth looking into!!!
I have a friend that has used these seconds sheets and looking from ground level you cannot tell which are new or seconds.
Its going to be a great place to be, the workshop that is. :nrocks: :nrocks: :nrocks:
Just a thought Bill
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Hi,
I have a friend who works for a fridge truck body build. He asked me if I wanted free insulation, as they have to replace entire panels for just a small amount of damage. They have to pay to dispose of it! The most common are trucks that were too tall for a bridge! These panels are 2.5metres high and up to fifteen metres long! A sawsall with a PVC blade works well, there are some Al reinforcing, and some trucks have stainless sheeting on the inside. The side panels are 5 cm thick and the roofs are 8 cm. As these bodies go down to -18°C the insulation level is very high, I think they use special gasses in the foam. The panels are covered with white polyester on both sides, and there's no condensation problem! Now my workshop is insulated with, well nearly finished!
Regards, Matthew
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That stone work really makes it!
Great work on the shop! Thanks for sharing.
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Hmmm...... Yer've gone a bit quiet, recently....... :scratch:
Any further progress to show us Chris? :poke:
David D
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Hi David, yep still here and still making progress. Not had much time to get on the computer and sort the photos out recently but will get an update done soon!
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Making progress....... That's good to hear Chris! :thumbup:
We can wait for the pics. But, not too long........ :)
David D
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Here goes then:
Starting to wrap in breathable membrane. We have been doing this in small sections rather than the whole lot at once as with only being able to work on it during dry weekends we found the weather can end up destroying things in the meantime!
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-et3IjqRcfUw/T92YeMIUtZI/AAAAAAAAAPQ/_L2MQAN2C7E/s800/IMG_0839.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-kB_ZVB16Sqw/T92YfGzBCII/AAAAAAAAAPg/aLaYWeZDrhU/s800/IMG_0851.jpg)
Some of the external cladding in place. We have gone for vertical boards as you can see, these are 6x1 for the bottom layer directly onto the battens, spaced at roughly 2" apart. The top layer is then 4x1 which covers the spacing and allows for airflow throughout the cladding. These are fastened using 90mm galvanised nails right through the batten and into the studwork behind.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-f_TqNz1whX4/T92YfseXYnI/AAAAAAAAAPo/U_SmiQ1amng/s800/IMG_0882.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-dAtNdq8xqaQ/T92YgI1BmuI/AAAAAAAAAPw/VYMZRwYy9LQ/s800/IMG_0883.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4VczHpSu_E4/T92Ygt-XvaI/AAAAAAAAAP4/Jt_5206zM7o/s800/IMG_0885.jpg)
Here's the first side with the top layer applied.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-SDlsOc4zJCU/T92Yh-RKUXI/AAAAAAAAAQI/-qWOfdkn2sY/s800/IMG_0912.jpg)
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After that I got a bit distracted from the walls with the arrival of the roof! About £1600s worth in the photo below:
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-wH7iRKNlWNE/T92YicgbOoI/AAAAAAAAAQQ/7UDFCNItdfk/s800/IMG_0930.jpg)
Which then leads on to the underlay. I got this stuff cheap on eBay but mainly because it was supposed to have a good stretch resistance so it won't sag between the rafters, so far it has lived up to it's promise.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-t4x8cy2Heuw/T92YksVLvcI/AAAAAAAAAQo/0iZ4rP-Tqpg/s800/IMG_0933.jpg)
First side done. This stuff goes on really quickly once you get going. I ordered it all to length so no cutting to do apart from the angles into the valleys.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-rR9DWIzhxAU/T92Ym4P0-tI/AAAAAAAAARI/wKwQyt4M2zw/s800/IMG_0938.jpg)
Membrane onto the other sides
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-jCH4ZxKwhjM/T92YmeNIAbI/AAAAAAAAARA/n9fzN0Uixxg/s800/IMG_0937.jpg)
And the roof sheeting
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-dlSOLTyVWAI/T92Yn6DIu_I/AAAAAAAAARY/rXOWUwes8Ps/s800/IMG_0957.jpg)
That's about as far as we have got at the moment, the back side is still do do. The wind has been busy destroying the membrane we put on but hopefully it is OK.
Note one wall is completely missing - waiting on a window. We still have the one for which the gap was designed but unfortunately that one doesn't open so I am trying to source a better one that does. It's not holding us up yet anyway.
Chris
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Things are looking great, bet you cannot wait. :beer: :beer: :beer:
Wish I was at that stage
Bill
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Chris.
That is shaping up beautifully! :clap: :clap:
Thanks for the update...... :thumbup:
David D
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Hi Chris,
Just a quick question; The ground ends of the cladding boards looks to me to be cut straight off without a drop-nose, or do they have one? If not I think you should do that as it prolong the boards life very much.
BR
/Peter
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Hi Peter, thanks for pointing that out, they do have one already. Probably about 30 degrees. :beer:
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:drool: your doing a cracking job , :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,mumble mumble shop envy :palm:
Rob
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Hi Peter, thanks for pointing that out, they do have one already. Probably about 30 degrees. :beer:
Ahh, good. Too easy to miss if one is not aware of it. Glad you didn´t miss it. :thumbup:
Cracking build that! Following this thread with interest.
BR
/Peter
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Things are looking great, bet you cannot wait. :beer: :beer: :beer:
Wish I was at that stage
Bill
Are you doing a shop build Bill? If so where is the thread!?!
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Chris.
Unfortunately not building or even started planning yet. When things start, there will be a house as well as a workshop, if I’m lucky a garage (with integral foundry) but we can all dream. One day
Bill
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Hi all.
A quick update with a few more photos for you. All of the jobs now seem to be quite time consuming but don't appear to show as much forward progress as the earlier stuff. I.e. laying a floor only takes a day and is huge progress, but building a door and hanging it takes a whole weekend!
We are getting to the point where the outside is almost complete - just that last bit of cladding and window to go in and a few roof ridge pieces and we are there. After that we can work in any weather in the warm and dry.
I have ordered second quality Kingspan to fit between all the studwork, which will then be covered with 1/2" shuttering ply.
Chris
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-3AV0kZYQY58/UCQjgQ7idfI/AAAAAAAAAR4/F0aRQ-XrZkI/s800/IMG_1005.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-yaaGo_OtOXo/UCQjg7jjEnI/AAAAAAAAASA/TyXypUvkJ-0/s800/IMG_1018.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-WlRT1aKyqwc/UCQjiFPc7cI/AAAAAAAAASI/0f7PfyMRWM0/s800/IMG_1044.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-LHlj3y9yNx0/UCQji5tGpSI/AAAAAAAAASM/nN4n_KetZ0M/s800/IMG_1046.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-bM-R_hVE4bo/UCQjjoHWIhI/AAAAAAAAASU/XaQR46C2JFc/s800/IMG_1186.jpg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-F-KOUo8R2mg/UCQjkX565-I/AAAAAAAAASc/4vFgDfNS3qI/s800/IMG_1187.jpg)
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I'm soooo envious!
Did you leave one of those double doors out in the sun?
Andy
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Hi Andy - no one of them has just been on a lot longer than the other one! I guess you could say it's been left out in the sun in that case. We put one up then I went away for a couple of weekends in a row so the other didn't go up until this past weekend.
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Oh.......... My! (http://serve.mysmiley.net/love/love0001.gif) (http://www.footballerpictures.co.uk)
David D
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I didn't look at this thread until today. Wow, what a lot of nice work! You are going to be sooo pleased to
be able to walk into such a fine shop any time you like. Talk about a happy place for a man! It's great! : )
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Does the little pot belly stove live in the shed?
Looks like a handy thing to have. :thumbup:
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Maybe one day the stove will make it in (read: when it's -10c in winter again)!
I am looking forward to the day when I can start making things in there. Made a bit of progress on the machine front this morning in that I have found a nice local chap who is going to sell me either a Harrison M250 or a Bantam 2000 long bed - I just need to decide which is most suitable.
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Just a quick update, all the walls are now insulated. Roof next.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-T29ndtDZwUI/UDvUL_Vy_JI/AAAAAAAAAS0/yUi72wsykQQ/s800/IMG_1223.JPG)
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Chris.
That's a really nice, "comfortable" pic. Thanks for showing! :thumbup:
David D
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Another quick update for you. A day to be noted as we are now weatherproof! The final wall has been missing for a long time as I was waiting to get hold of a window, but now that's arrived and fitted we are all sealed. Only by Tyvek at this stage but I'm still counting it. :thumbup:
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-i22cOS7YEhQ/UF9CzHm1LcI/AAAAAAAAATI/y0349NN6Now/s800/IMG_1309.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9UTHYYqaBU4/UF9Czqttd2I/AAAAAAAAATM/6MEQXi2PiFA/s800/IMG_1310.jpg)
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Watertight, at last!! :ddb: :ddb:
Well done Chris. :clap:
If you've got the same weather as we have, at this moment. It wasn't a moment too soon! :thumbup:
Coming down in buckets here. :(
David D
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I think that you will have a very nice workshop, good work :clap: :clap:
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The lining out of the walls is now in progress - 1/2" ply.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-600-kys0QfE/UIMTsZ5t-iI/AAAAAAAAATk/lqJq5U6-nYc/s800/IMG_0033.jpg)
This is an area we have just cleared and dug out ready for the 'extension'... basically it's going to be an open fronted area just to use up the spare roofing sheet. This will have parking for a car, plus it will house the compressor and dust extraction units, possibly even the phase converter as well, basically all the noisy stuff.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-IPeKhNaWgk8/UIMTusOxKrI/AAAAAAAAATw/7nRS6k2toI8/s800/IMG_0041.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-qQ8BC042UOA/UIMTvZztriI/AAAAAAAAAT4/AwyOtg45Xd4/s800/IMG_0042.jpg)
Sorry photos are a bit blurry, it was getting quite dark when I took these.
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Excellent shop/shed Chris :bow:
Great effort from the ground up.
I haven't read every post so this may have been covered but a worthy addition maybe a lifting beam from the main door to get heavy stuff inside. I'm held up by this all the time. I have to borrow a mates engine hoist. Can't store a hoist in my shed/garage due to lack of space :(
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I really have shop envy Chris :coffee:
You have done a cracking job :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:
Rob
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That looks very nice indeed!
It's raining here - pretty hard - and I'm happy I have downpipes and spashblocks that drain downpour 2 to 5 meters away from my foundation. Here autums are wet and ground freeses solid over winter.
Looks like you are going to have a very nice workspace.
Pekka
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Thanks for the comments as always chaps. :beer:
Markz: yes a lifting beam was suggested but I haven't put it in! I wanted to but have just not gotten around to it. Wish I had, perhaps a project for after we have moved in, if I can get hold of some nice RSJs.
Rob: thanks, it means a lot coming from you after seeing your work!
Pekka: here, autumns are wet, winters are wet, spring is wet and summer is wet - no ice to worry about! :thumbup:
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Pekka: here, autumns are wet, winters are wet, spring is wet and summer is wet - no ice to worry about! :thumbup:
No wonder it's all sooooo green there! What color you are going to paint your machines? :lol:
I could easily live with bit less of cold....but I hear some people complaing the weather missing the snow.....which I could easier live without it as well - but we get plenty of it every year so just have to enjoy it. That means also that all rain and meltting water has flow off the building, and there is a drainage system under the lowest part of the foundation, othervice there are way to many problems.
That shop looks like it's going to be warm/dry/confy with a just little of heating.
Pekka
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Not really much of an update for you, but just to keep things going.
Put this up at the weekend, exciting! (still got to do the other end, it's just a feed coming across from the house).
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-7_kJbD8GQuE/UKK7XzcfBOI/AAAAAAAAAVQ/8cgrluMY3HE/s800/IMG_0092.jpg)
I got this moved in a while ago, it's getting in the way quite a lot but had nowhere else to put it - looking forward to getting it powered up. It needs a damn good degreasing but it's served its job and all the surfaces are clean underneath.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-2b9iMO4qCeE/UKK7bOL4DPI/AAAAAAAAAVY/2SvJp7aYlrI/s800/IMG_0038.jpg)
Cheers :beer:
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Hi Chris.
Nice to see things are still progressing. :clap: :clap:
First pic. I thought, YAY! the lecky's arrived! :ddb: Then I read, there's another end to the wire, still to attach........ :Doh:
Second pic. I thought, poor neglected little orphan...... :bugeye: Then I read, all underneath is sound...... :ddb:
Talk about highs an lows, peaks an troughs! :lol:
I'm really enjoying this post. Keep on, keeping on. :thumbup:
David D
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Hi everyone. No milestones to report, just continued progress.
A lot of the roof insulation is now in place, but not quite all of it. All 4 of the skylights have been framed and then lined with a bit of twin-wall polycarbonate (conservatory roofing).
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ER2mUoDqOWQ/UMy6-cIEQPI/AAAAAAAAAV0/uSs2WaqWj5w/s800/IMG_0121.jpg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-SdtCtZtPaPs/UMy6_NV7xfI/AAAAAAAAAV4/6cLUZC8B4-I/s800/IMG_0122.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-K3Lvu7h1HGU/UMy6_2QOhiI/AAAAAAAAAWA/O6IVoHBMEuI/s800/IMG_0123.jpg)
Had to rig up some temporary lighting because it's getting dark so early now...
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-G3sJF1xqRak/UMy7AuY4WPI/AAAAAAAAAWI/u9ZLdVt99fk/s800/IMG_0124.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-7VpGMb4LdWI/UMy7BThjPFI/AAAAAAAAAWU/XxiIsNZBV2w/s800/IMG_0125.jpg)
Hope these are of interest. I probably won't be back with more until the new year now so hope everyone has a great Christmas!
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Man. Just look at all that space !
Dave
Turns green with envy.
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That is a frigging barn :bugeye:
My garage looks like a dustbin compared to yours. If I wouldn't be supper happy for you, I would be supper jealous.
Pekka
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For comparison, my lathe is against one wall of my narrow outhouse and I can lean back against the opposite wall as I operate it.
Dave.
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way way too much space ,you suck :lol: :lol: :lol:
canny lathe you have yourself :thumbup:
Rob :)
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I hate painting! Since my last update, all of the roof insulation is now in. The outside is pretty much finished and all creosoted up. I have even put in some nice outdoor lights (sorry forgot to do outdoor pics!).
We've then been working on lining out the ceiling, and then painting...
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-8DBTM2Q_UAM/UQ6yXMoMQWI/AAAAAAAAAXw/OMbb8U0KX4E/s800/IMG_0329.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-96tf3Lf5Htg/UQ6ybndtimI/AAAAAAAAAYA/YJMsnWP_DH8/s800/IMG_0348.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-U-kmLCP3aiA/UQ6ydyxEHII/AAAAAAAAAYI/0I-85J5v-90/s800/IMG_0349.jpg)
The floor paint I bought turned out to be more blue than I was expecting - what do you think?
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-xM1nBLSW-xc/UQ6yZ_Ab6hI/AAAAAAAAAX4/8Rfv0SqjVak/s800/IMG_0343.jpg)
Did I mention I hate painting?
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Chris i think i like the blue, brightens up the floor area making it more easy to find those nuts and bolts you will drop.
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Grand job so far. Keep the pics coming, allthough you are making me very jealous. :hammer:
Cheers Dek. :med:
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Chris i think i like the blue, brightens up the floor area making it more easy to find those nuts and bolts you will drop.
So when are you coming round to help with the painting? There are a few bits of Bridgeport in the way at the moment mind...
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Well summer is close by now :)
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First coat of floor paint on, in one area at least - too much stuff in there to do the whole lot in one go. I like it!
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-FKbybkDpT2w/UTJYK3jBS6I/AAAAAAAAAYg/E3w8X6AKlEc/s800/Untitled%2520Photo.jpg)
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That's looking good Chris! :thumbup:
David D
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Blue defo looks good Chris :thumbup:
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Looking real nice :thumbup: :clap: :thumbup: :clap: :thumbup:
Tim
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way way way too clean looking , mumble mutter :)
Rob
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don't worry it wont stay like that long anyway
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You were right in that it didn't stay like that for long - after giving the paint 24 hours or so I went in and just touched a part of it with my finger to see how tacky it was, and the paint stuck to my finger and lifted revealing bare concrete underneath! What a disaster.
Originally I sealed the floor with a unibond/water solution but what seems to have happened is that this mix didn't adhere to the floor very well at all because its the unibond-concrete adhesion which is failing rather than the paint-unibond. I notice that in the places where the unibond had already come off the floor (due to scratches/gouges whatever) the paint has stuck fine.
I have therefore spent ages scraping off all the loose stuff and vacuuming well ready for another coat - hoping for a better result this time. :scratch:
Sorry about how the photos are so rubbish now - I need a wide angle lens! It was much easier when there were no walls or stuff in the way.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-jQojwvwqYUE/UTRp5laKboI/AAAAAAAAAYw/94nrib6_xjY/s800/IMG_0442.jpg)
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ChriX
If it helps, the first coat of floor paint is often put down thinned ...
I found this out years ago doing a garage floor.
I'd put about 1/3rd down straight from the can, then a mate came up and said it will lift .. :palm:
Did the rest thinned about 3 parts paint to 1 part white spirit. It is somewhat patchy so 2nd undiluted coat needed.
About 2 yrs later the first stuff had largely come off but the thinned 2-coat area was still intact when I sold the place some 4-5 years later .
Look on the tin, when I was told and decided to read the wretched instructions it actually says so on the label. :bang: :bang:
Dave BC
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Oh, BUGGA!! :palm: :bang:
Commiserations Chris........
But, Real Men don't read instructions. Hence the saying. "If in doubt, read the......." :smart:
David D
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But, Real Men don't read instructions. Hence the saying. "If in doubt, read the......." :smart:
David D
Quite so !!
Reading the label is a defeatist attitude IMHO .....
Mankind hasn't got where it is by reading the friggin' instructions.
The Neandertals could not read, nor did they have instructions to read ... and they did OK didn't they ???
Oh, hang on a bit ...... :doh:
Dave BC
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Sorry to see the paint turned out like that Chrix :palm: but it could have been worse lol , as I found out when I painted my shed concrete floor with two pack paint that only dried to the same as sticky hard toffee , e.g you stuck to the floor if you stopped for more than one or two seconds, I tried heaters etc and left it for a couple of weeks but in the end had to scrape most of it off with a sharpened one inch wood chisel, it was stiff sticky S***t so took forever to get off :bang: :bang: :bang: :palm: :palm:............... as I was stuck to the floor doing it, I will never paint a floor again without a test patch on the actual floor lol.
Hope it turns out better with the next coat of paint :thumbup:
cheers Mick
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Ouch! Chris i did not mean to put a hex on things. Forget the sealer and like the others have said just thin some paint down and go with very thin coats. It will dry very quick that way and you will get a good key into the surface. Airflow is key when drying not necessarily heat (that does help though).
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Hi guys just a quick update. First of all thanks for the tips on the paint - it seems to have worked this time! I first put down a coat thinned with 25% white spirit, this really soaked in and almost vanished overnight. Then I put down a second coat just thinned a little bit, maybe 5-10%. After these two had had a few days each to dry I put down a full strength coat.
I have left it almost two weeks but I am not convinced it is completely dry underneath but has stood up to me wheeling machines over it on the engine crane so certainly usable. Now just got to do the rest of the floor!
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Last post was boring - no photos, so here's one :thumbup:
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-yNJA9qQSv_I/UVNtKUdrPAI/AAAAAAAAAZA/5zT8ASKKKww/s800/IMG_0500.jpg)
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Yes! That's a better post, Chris. :thumbup:
It's really taking shape now....... :D
David D
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At last Chris :D
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Have been working on the other part of the floor for the last couple of weeks. It took a long time to prep the surface but at least having learnt from doing the other smaller area hopefully it won't have to all come off again this time.
This photo is after the first layer of thinned down floor paint has gone on.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-J7PCEZzuH8Y/UXPALUrpLnI/AAAAAAAAAZQ/NJo2G-uOq1Y/s800/IMG_4071.jpg)
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WOW!! :bugeye:
It's a bit posh, innit! :drool:
VERY nice Chris...... :thumbup:
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Amazing work Chris! Thank you for sharing! :clap:
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That is looking nice!
Eric
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Thanks for the replies! I sketched out the following (sorry for the poor quality, was not near a camera/scanner so used a webcam).
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-F-Blybt4ZAc/TmIvC4nLaFI/AAAAAAAAAEk/fokgMfVMwZk/s800/plan.jpg)
We may leave out the foam insulation under the floor. I am also unsure how many membranes/vapour barriers I need for the walls - does what I have make sense? I've got one between the outer cladding and insulation and then another between the insulation and inner cladding, which may not be necessary?
I am hoping to get away with minimal electric heating, just one of those oil filled radiators I expect, but we also have an old woodburner to go in to make things nice and cosy occasionally during the winter.
This makes things much easier... :headbang:
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I can't read your sketch very well, but I suggest that you put anchor bolts poured into your footings every 4 feet or so to bolt the bottom of your framing members down. This will keep it from blowing away.
Mosey
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Bit too late for that now, Mosey!
But the whole thing seems to back on to, and be tied into, old stone walls along all of one wll and part of another, so I don't think it will be going anywhere in a hurry. Nor are the winds in ChriX's part of the UK particularly strong.
Andy
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Wow your shed is lined and has lights!
Luxury sheer luxury!
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I've been a bit rubbish updating this recently, not sure where the time goes!
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Gave my lathe some TLC
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Thats probably about it for photos now anyway, maybe I'll post a few when we get moved in, organised and tidied up. Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who followed and for everyone's advise/help along the way. If anyone is ever in the area send me a message and maybe you can come stand around in the shed and drink tea :beer:.
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Looks very nice Chris. Wish I was in that part of the world, I would come by for some tea.
Eric
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Mumble ,mutter , :lol:,,,,,,,,,,very very nice Chris :clap: :clap:
May take you up on that brew ,as I have a need to go look at tin mines :thumbup:
Rob
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Chris good to see Bridget all in one piece at last :D
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Chris.
That's looking a lot like, home...... :thumbup:
Blummin well done! :clap: :clap:
David D