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Oooops! / Re: Tailstock Tantrums
« Last post by Joules on August 10, 2023, 05:28:18 PM »
I should maybe clarify for anyone unfamiliar with the deflection measurement used here, I am looking for a none return to zero on the indicator.  This might signify a problem in my scraping or an issue of wear in the tail stock.   You push-pull the live centre, not swing on it and see some deflection, the needle should come back to zero if all is well.  Any perceived click is bad, i.e the taper pivots, very cheap MT drill that doesn't match the taper its put into as a worse case example I have come across or the tail stock barrel is a poor fit / worn in its casting.   You are testing the whole assembly this way, so be careful not to jump to a conclusion, you might just have forgot to lock the tail stock.
General Crafts / Re: Thanks Andrew, and Jacob !!!
« Last post by awemawson on August 10, 2023, 12:33:22 PM »
Glad that it arrived safely - save the lanonin to stop your tools rusting.
General Crafts / Thanks Andrew, and Jacob !!!
« Last post by Joules on August 10, 2023, 09:43:41 AM »
As it's warm and sunny here Jacob is taking a bath.....   Well it will be few baths, the garden is going to go wild with the bath water.  Dry out in the greenhouse later.  Then alot of carding to clean the wool up.
VE-01 Crossbeam Vacuum Engine added a drive pulley and running some accessories, a Fleischmann Sausage Man and a DIY Baker Fan.

Oooops! / Tailstock Tantrums
« Last post by Joules on August 09, 2023, 12:27:56 PM »
Not a good start to the day.  Drilling some Delrin blanks and my drill chuck spun, no biggy it has done that before.  Huh, not this time it has ripped a few rings in the taper.   Now I'm pretty sure the taper was clean, the lathe hasn't turned metal in quite a while so all swarf is plastic.   Mmmm, what to do ?   Ring Warco and see about a new tailstock barrel, possibly.   I haven't got a MT3 reamer, plus I wouldn't be sure it would cut true with the burrs.  As the taper is ground it HAD a nice finish, that doesn't mean it was accurate !!!

OK whats the worst I can do but bugger it up in true MAD modder style.  I have a little bit of experience in scraping so break out the tool.   "First cut is the deepest"  cut out the burr raised and remove the damage from the drill chuck taper, this was a little brutal, I didn't fancy grinding it as I have better feel with the scraper.   I didn't think to get photo's before I started so you only get to see the tailstock bore after I worked it, cut out the damage and then level all round the bore lightly using the scraper to make sure its all parallel and material was removed evenly.   This was the biggest gamble as I could pretty well ruin it at this stage making the bore bell mouthed.

At this point both bore and taper had been cleaned up and I tried them together to see if they fit and would twist (with oil) also see if they bind, OK so far, but need another taper to test so used the live centre.  Left a burnished ring on its taper so more scraping needed and slight work on the live taper now....

Finally sorted and both tapers feel OK, another problem I have at this stage is that I hadn't any idea how good the taper was before the damage so all I could do was blue up my best taper and blue the tailstock bore.  Once inserted and gentle twist to transfer blue, check bore with light and angled mirror.  The taper when I withdrew it showed where blue had gone, or not.

Next apply the chuck taper by firmly pushing in and get it blued.  The slide in contact doesn't look great, but more on that later.  I cleaned the taper and did a twist test to transfer more blue and check the overall contact pattern, not too bad.  Finally conduct the slide test with the taper in different orientations and look at the blue patterns.  Pretty much consistent pattern, so never wow contact all over.  At least we have no contact in the damaged area's so hopefully a taper binding in the bore due to this damage won't occur again.

Once cleaned up it was time to do some testing and see how things really are.  Sliding in the different tools the taper felt good, no tight spots and pushing it in firmly the taper locked.  Now that isn't something I could say before about this tailstock, it wouldn't always lock even with a firm clunk.  Tried muliple orientations of the tooling and feel how much force needed to eject the taper.   This actually feels better than it was !!!

My final testing is to see if the taper is still true and what deflection I get.   Remember I said I didn't know how good the taper was origionally, all I could go by was feel and how it had changed.  First setup was vertical deflection, I set up the "TEST" bar as true as I could and checked for runout along the bar, this was done multiple times moving the centre round, again checking how much force was  needed to eject the taper.  All OK, some deflection when pressing the centre at full extension of the tailstock barrel, so normal for this lathe as I have had to compensate for that before.  Finally do the horizontal, all the same as before.  Happily it all seems to work and a bit better than before.   Anyones guess how the taper was ground, but not sure it was that accurate.  My scraping will have made lots of little contact points, but looking at the blue it seems consistent at the nose and reasonable coverage further back, however the rear of the taper has very little contact.  I suspect this has always been the case as opening up the taper should have moved the contact further back, or resulted in less contact at the nose.   As before, the overall feel is much better for now.  Not sure I would recommend this method for repairing a taper, but if these are the tools and skill you have, what have you got to loose.  I very much recommend people learn to scrape, both flat and bearing surfaces.  It's one of those hand tool skills you can call on for such an event as this.

Cost me a days work, but the lathe is working again and not going to damage further tooling, or incur more cost getting it fixed.

The Water Cooler / Re: Where did time go !!!
« Last post by Joules on August 08, 2023, 02:01:00 PM »
Got it, wash tomatoes in sheep water and eat.... :thumbup:
The Water Cooler / Re: Where did time go !!!
« Last post by awemawson on August 08, 2023, 10:46:32 AM »
Wash the raw wool and save the water to water the tomatoes - sheep poo makes great fertiliser  :lol:
The Water Cooler / Re: Where did time go !!!
« Last post by Joules on August 08, 2023, 07:02:04 AM »
Awww, thanks Andrew, and my apologies to Jacob if he's a bit nippy at night....

Whilst the wife can knit, we are a pair of amateur weavers.....   Turning perfectly good fleece into lumpy wear.   I don't have the finess for spinning nailed down yet, 3ply you could anchor a boat with......

Wash and card the wool in the summer, attempt to spin and weave over the winter.   Amazing how much you can get done with no telly.

Hmmmm, a couple of tea cosies for the headlight's, now your thinking lads.....

Electronics & IC Programing / Re: Simple way(s) to run a bipolar stepper motor?
« Last post by sorveltaja on August 07, 2023, 08:16:33 PM »
After some testings with Nema 17, there is still a problem with vibrations it makes, when  driven with amplified sine wave. I guess it has to do with something like 'flywheel effect' - in other words, mass of the rotating part(rotor?), which would need a specific driver to compensate that(slow decay, mixed decay and that kind of stuff), in order for it to run smoothly.

Since I'm looking for a lot simpler way to accomplish what I have in mind, I thought that why not try the smaller stepper from HP flatbed scanner (small_stepper):

When using same setup(with pesky LM386's), as it has far less mass, it might be more suitable for the purpose. And when used with gears on the picture, it obviously has more torque.

This stepper's coils are about 3,5 ohms.

For testing it I used 4-5V and max 400mA.

Usable driving frequency is about 50-200Hz

So far I've tested it through 386's with function generator, and it seems that with this smaller motor, there isn't much of a difference, whether it's driven with sine- or square wave(unless higher voltages and therefore more amperage is used).

Well, the circuit I'm using is far from perfect, but if one has small bipolar steppers and likes to see if they could be used for something, or maybe just take first steps to learn how to make these buggers run at all(like I did), it doesn't have to be overly complicated.

And, if sine wave (generator) isn't required, it alone makes things simpler. Two square wave generators(based on cmos ic's), that have 'quadrant' or 90 degrees phase difference(at least for bipolar steppers) - I think I'm going to revisit that one at some point(to replace function generator), if(when) possible next project proceeds.

In the end, here is the most 'dirtiest and simplest' circuit, that I've found when (ab)using it(386_circuit):

Besides the + and ground connections and two caps, as it can be seen, there is no connection to 386's second pin. Usually it's tied to ground, but leaving it unconnected seems to lessen or remove the excess noise.

2,2uF caps help to keep the noise/stuttering of stepper down, when there is no input. And the 1000uF(I guess more might be better) ones add a 'punch' to drive the stepper's coils.
The Water Cooler / Re: Where did time go !!!
« Last post by philf on August 07, 2023, 06:43:41 PM »
Get the wife to knit seat covers, there’s a Jacobs sheep fleece on the way to you as of lunchtime today  :clap:

Andrew - send him another and she can knit a soft-top!
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