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Title: Clarkson Tool Cutter Grinder Restoratioon
Post by: ArnieB on April 20, 2015, 09:36:28 AM
Hello,  some while ago (2013) I started to put my workshop together to start building a 4" scale model of a Burrell Traction Engine.  The Harrison L6 Mk3 lathe came first, followed by a rare round ram Bridgeport.  Next came a Clarkson Tool Cutter Grinder, which I found on ebay at Worcester in need of some TLC.  I kept a before and after photo album of most of the refurbishment and I thought it may be of interest.  Not quite sure of how to go about this as it will be my first topic on any forum but here goes.

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j5/ArnieB/CLARKSON/ebay-300113-270pounds-worcester-1_zps2cmiens2.jpg) (http://s76.photobucket.com/user/ArnieB/media/CLARKSON/ebay-300113-270pounds-worcester-1_zps2cmiens2.jpg.html)

Its not pretty is it.  By the way it is set up I think is was used to to one specific operation It came with the minimum of attachments but did have the collection of collets imp/metric. Not sure about the paint should be grey but painted in a Mk2 colour green I.split it down into three lumps cut the wiring off, and back to base.

Title: Re: Clarkson Tool Cutter Grinder Restoratioon
Post by: ArnieB on April 20, 2015, 10:15:46 AM
I stripped and removed all parts bolts, screws component parts,
 
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As I split the base plate it revealed its true colour, the original grey.
Now came the hard part I removed all the dirt and grease and set about preparing the painted arears .  I've recently bought a soda blasting kit for my new project I only wish I'd got it earlier and used it for the Clarkson, would have saved a lot of time..
A new single phase motor was ordered,  I got a drive belt from ebay, a Mk2 belt guard from Machine Spares together with the attachment bolts and a new motor pulley to fit the new motor.

Title: Re: Clarkson Tool Cutter Grinder Restoratioon
Post by: DavidA on April 20, 2015, 11:25:07 AM
Arnie,

Great find.

I'm looking forward to seeing in all it's rebuilt glory.

Dave.
Title: Re: Clarkson Tool Cutter Grinder Restoratioon
Post by: RobWilson on April 20, 2015, 12:41:06 PM
A good start to the thread Arnie  :thumbup:

Looking forward to more instalments  :)


Rob

Title: Re: Clarkson Tool Cutter Grinder Restoratioon
Post by: ArnieB on April 20, 2015, 12:58:17 PM
 Right mowing done next episode;

     I used the proverbial wire brush mounted in my 4 inch grinder for most of the work, then electric sander , then wet and dry.  You may notice the cheat on the mounting base, but it was grey anyway.  Use of presicion dowels to locate the switch mounting plate.  I used the original switch plate and surfaced its face in the Brigeport to mount the new DOL starter.

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Title: Re: Clarkson Tool Cutter Grinder Restoratioon
Post by: ArnieB on April 20, 2015, 01:15:31 PM
I used Stationary Paints machine enamel.  I had some Harrison Lathe paint in the garage and as the colour match is the same as the Clarkson it was sprayed on.  I used two layers of grey primer, which I know technically I didn't need, then two layers of top coat. It is a high build enamel and went on with no runs or areas to retouch, I was chuffed. The motor arrived a lovely blue so that was sprayed as well.

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Title: Re: Clarkson Tool Cutter Grinder Restoratioon
Post by: ArnieB on April 20, 2015, 01:22:24 PM
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Title: Re: Clarkson Tool Cutter Grinder Restoratioon
Post by: vtsteam on April 20, 2015, 01:23:33 PM
Looks great!  :thumbup: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Clarkson Tool Cutter Grinder Restoratioon
Post by: ArnieB on April 20, 2015, 02:46:05 PM
Thanks vtsteam it was hard work but I was pleased with the result.  I started assembling the parts, first drilling and tapping the belt guard attachment point. It was plain sailing, the motor fitted well and I was able to get correct belt tension. I rewired putting the wires through the pedestal leaving an outlet free for lighting  I had replaced the spindle bearings and it ran as good as  new.  I put a dial on the bed and got almost no runout, can't remember what exactly it was.  I managed to buy a Clarkson radius tool, and an as new 3 way 4" vice that still needs a purpose mount to the Clarkson.

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As you can see been doing a bit of polishing.  I need to find a good light for it probably LED . Next will be a spindle stone guard with vacuum point and then find a pair of centres, I can't afford the price Machine Spares want, so I'll keep looking. I also have a height guage to put on.

Hope my post has been of interest  Arnie. ( I'll be back )
Title: Re: Clarkson Tool Cutter Grinder Restoratioon
Post by: Zadig on April 20, 2015, 03:53:45 PM
Looks good Arnie, even better second time around. I don't know how much you've used it yet on grinding tooling but mine needs bellows for the cross-slide desperately. The amount of grinding dust that ends up under the slide and on the screw is obscene. It means you can't use oil on your ways which is a pain. If you come across any bellows on your search, please let me know. The ones at ARC are just a little too wide unless anyone know of a decent kink to make them more suitable.
Title: Re: Clarkson Tool Cutter Grinder Restoratioon
Post by: ArnieB on April 20, 2015, 04:16:42 PM
Zadig Ebay item number:271815600670 I don't know if the Mk2 fit the Mk1 but Machine Soares Ebay site has these at the moment, that is if you've got deep pockets  .  Check out the price of the extension spindle !!!!!!!

Arnie
Title: Re: Clarkson Tool Cutter Grinder Restoratioon
Post by: Sid_Vicious on April 20, 2015, 04:21:09 PM
That machine is a beauty... About the led light a lot of people are very pleased with the "Jansjų" light from Ikea. Also mentioned in some treads here and on John Doubleboost's videos about his old lathe.
Title: Re: Clarkson Tool Cutter Grinder Restoratioon
Post by: howsitwork? on April 20, 2015, 04:47:36 PM
Not sure about the bellows but lights- look at 12v angel eyes lights or the stalk version http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141278104751?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT.

These have a good write up ( waiting for  mine currently) and with a 12 power supply are "safe" if anything hits them

Keep up the project!
Title: Re: Clarkson Tool Cutter Grinder Restoratioon
Post by: Zadig on April 21, 2015, 12:55:44 AM
Thanks for the link Arnie, I've seen that listing before but I must have missed the bellows somehow. They are a bit pricey mind, but for some reason bellows tend to be from most places with the exception of ARC and the ones they sell. I don't know if I can stomach £150, but the machine is nigh on useless without them.

Title: Re: Clarkson Tool Cutter Grinder Restoratioon
Post by: Pete W. on April 21, 2015, 04:02:56 AM
Hi there, Arnie,

I'm not seeing a lot of your photos - is it just me or does anyone else have the same problem? 
Title: Re: Clarkson Tool Cutter Grinder Restoratioon
Post by: Zadig on April 21, 2015, 04:33:45 AM
Pete, Arnie is having problems with Photobucket. He's trying to get his head around it at the moment.
Title: Re: Clarkson Tool Cutter Grinder Restoratioon
Post by: Manxmodder on April 21, 2015, 04:52:52 AM
There's no pleasing some folk  :). I quite like the photos of the cute little kitten .....OZ.
Title: Re: Clarkson Tool Cutter Grinder Restoratioon
Post by: ArnieB on April 21, 2015, 08:01:56 AM
Sorry folks operator error I did say at the start this was my first post.
Thanks for your patience.

Arnie.
Title: Re: Clarkson Tool Cutter Grinder Restoratioon
Post by: Pete W. on April 21, 2015, 02:37:23 PM
Pete, Arnie is having problems with Photobucket. He's trying to get his head around it at the moment.

Thank you Zadig.   :thumbup:   :thumbup:   :thumbup: 

Arnie, whatever you did, it worked!  I can see all your photos now.  The only problem now is   :drool:   :drool:   :drool:   :drool:   :drool:   :drool: 
Title: Re: Clarkson Tool Cutter Grinder Restoratioon
Post by: DavidA on April 21, 2015, 04:20:53 PM
That certainly is a first class renovation;  well done.

Dave.
Title: Re: Clarkson Tool Cutter Grinder Restoratioon
Post by: Fergus OMore on April 21, 2015, 04:35:47 PM
Agreed but why use it as buffing lathe? As far as I am aware, this was never part of the design.  My experience with a Mark 1 suggests that the design  minimises the grit problem- in normal use.

Regards

Norman
Title: Re: Clarkson Tool Cutter Grinder Restoratioon
Post by: Zadig on April 21, 2015, 05:26:13 PM
... My experience with a Mark 1 suggests that the design  minimises the grit problem- in normal use.

Regards

Norman

Kindly explain.
Title: Re: Clarkson Tool Cutter Grinder Restoratioon
Post by: micktoon on April 21, 2015, 05:56:34 PM
Hi Arnie, Welcome to the forum.
        You have done a cracking job of the Clarkson  :thumbup: :drool: :drool:, I have a MK 2 awaiting the same treatment, mine will also need the bellows too. I still need various attachments too but not often you see them go cheap these days  :palm:

  Cheers Mick
Title: Re: Clarkson Tool Cutter Grinder Restoratioon
Post by: mattinker on April 21, 2015, 06:14:44 PM
This is a project that interests me as I too have a MK1 Clarkson that I've made some tooling for!

Regards, Matthew
Title: Re: Clarkson Tool Cutter Grinder Restoratioon
Post by: RobWilson on April 22, 2015, 01:57:00 AM
 :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: Cracking job  Arnie  :thumbup:


It looks like it makes a canny buffing machine  :palm:

And here be my sorry looking machine   :)

(http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u410/RobWilson100/Clarkson%20TCG/P1060880_zps4quykgc0.jpg) (http://s1066.photobucket.com/user/RobWilson100/media/Clarkson%20TCG/P1060880_zps4quykgc0.jpg.html)
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Rob
Title: Re: Clarkson Tool Cutter Grinder Restoratioon
Post by: Pete W. on April 22, 2015, 08:41:19 AM
My gosh, Rob,

How on earth shall you fix that tee-slot?!?!   :scratch:   :scratch:   :scratch: 
Title: Re: Clarkson Tool Cutter Grinder Restoratioon
Post by: RobWilson on April 22, 2015, 09:07:23 AM
My gosh, Rob,

How on earth shall you fix that tee-slot?!?!   :scratch:   :scratch:   :scratch:


I will just knock the ruff edges off with a hammer and chisel  Pete  :lol: :lol: :lol:


Rob  :palm:
Title: Re: Clarkson Tool Cutter Grinder Restoratioon
Post by: Fergus OMore on April 23, 2015, 02:51:55 AM
... My experience with a Mark 1 suggests that the design  minimises the grit problem- in normal use.

Regards

Norman

Kindly explain.

Apologies for the delay but the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing at the local computer firmament.

As far as I know, the Clarkson never had dust excluders. Certainly, this understanding is taken from the original Clarkson handbook and access to a wealth of later articles as well as access to a sizeable number of home owned and tool room machines.

If one moves the goal posts to using one to lesser duties as a buffer- I don't know. Buffing machines seem to be cheaper than paper dust excluders.  Back to left and right hands and the bit in between :doh:

As far as original concepts about grit etc, I built the baby Clarkson( the Stent) and it didn't have dust excluders and subsequent writers on that machine have made no reference either.

Hope this helps

Norman
Title: Re: Clarkson Tool Cutter Grinder Restoratioon
Post by: Zadig on April 23, 2015, 04:24:11 AM
The MK2 has plenty of revisions for dust control. I suspect that those that say they have no dust problem, rarely use them.
Title: Re: Clarkson Tool Cutter Grinder Restoratioon
Post by: ArnieB on April 23, 2015, 05:19:17 AM
Norman     
              You may be interested in  http://www.bedroom-workshop.com/  there is a wealth of
information on Clarksons.  I am sure that if you utilise your tool cutter on a daily basis as intended you would feel the need for bellows, as included by the manufacture in their first revision of the tool.
For myself I doubt my use will justify the expense, but I would like to include them to save on vacuuming time.  As you may have read I am making a stone guard for my grinding work and my use has ranged from lathe and mill tool grinding, drill sharpening, and even a bit of surface grinding, it is not a buffing machine, but a very versitile tool.

Arnie.
Title: Re: Clarkson Tool Cutter Grinder Restoratioon
Post by: Fergus OMore on April 23, 2015, 06:33:44 AM
Arnie- my thanks but I expect that mine will simply be dumped now.

Cheers

Norman
Title: Re: Clarkson Tool Cutter Grinder Restoratioon
Post by: ArnieB on April 24, 2015, 02:17:48 PM
To follow up on the debate on bellows Steve Vine From Bedroom-Workshop has just sent me this link

http://www.modelengineeringwebsite.com/Machine_bellows.html

Anyone for a touch of origami, I might give it a go.

Arnie

or get them already made.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.TRS0&_nkw=+Dust+Protector+Cover+for+CNC+Machine 
Title: Re: Clarkson Tool Cutter Grinder Restoratioon
Post by: rotorhead on April 24, 2015, 06:48:18 PM
Hi Lads,

That's a job very well done, and the workmanship appreciated, as I know what it's like to try and sort one of these out..

I've had a little play with mine of late, thought it time to make a guard, especially as the size of wheel I intend to use is getting bigger..

I hope you don't mind me posting a few pics, as it might give a few ideas....

Title: Re: Clarkson Tool Cutter Grinder Restoratioon
Post by: Meldonmech on May 01, 2015, 03:50:27 AM
 
   Arnie, thanks for showing the construction details for the machine bellows. I have made several bellows with varying success, but this one is excellent, and I must give it a try.

                                                                              Cheers David