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The Shop => Tools => Topic started by: ArnieB on April 20, 2015, 09:36:28 AM
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Hello, some while ago (2013) I started to put my workshop together to start building a 4" scale model of a Burrell Traction Engine. The Harrison L6 Mk3 lathe came first, followed by a rare round ram Bridgeport. Next came a Clarkson Tool Cutter Grinder, which I found on ebay at Worcester in need of some TLC. I kept a before and after photo album of most of the refurbishment and I thought it may be of interest. Not quite sure of how to go about this as it will be my first topic on any forum but here goes.
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Its not pretty is it. By the way it is set up I think is was used to to one specific operation It came with the minimum of attachments but did have the collection of collets imp/metric. Not sure about the paint should be grey but painted in a Mk2 colour green I.split it down into three lumps cut the wiring off, and back to base.
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I stripped and removed all parts bolts, screws component parts,
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As I split the base plate it revealed its true colour, the original grey.
Now came the hard part I removed all the dirt and grease and set about preparing the painted arears . I've recently bought a soda blasting kit for my new project I only wish I'd got it earlier and used it for the Clarkson, would have saved a lot of time..
A new single phase motor was ordered, I got a drive belt from ebay, a Mk2 belt guard from Machine Spares together with the attachment bolts and a new motor pulley to fit the new motor.
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Arnie,
Great find.
I'm looking forward to seeing in all it's rebuilt glory.
Dave.
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A good start to the thread Arnie :thumbup:
Looking forward to more instalments :)
Rob
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Right mowing done next episode;
I used the proverbial wire brush mounted in my 4 inch grinder for most of the work, then electric sander , then wet and dry. You may notice the cheat on the mounting base, but it was grey anyway. Use of presicion dowels to locate the switch mounting plate. I used the original switch plate and surfaced its face in the Brigeport to mount the new DOL starter.
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I used Stationary Paints machine enamel. I had some Harrison Lathe paint in the garage and as the colour match is the same as the Clarkson it was sprayed on. I used two layers of grey primer, which I know technically I didn't need, then two layers of top coat. It is a high build enamel and went on with no runs or areas to retouch, I was chuffed. The motor arrived a lovely blue so that was sprayed as well.
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Looks great! :thumbup: :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Thanks vtsteam it was hard work but I was pleased with the result. I started assembling the parts, first drilling and tapping the belt guard attachment point. It was plain sailing, the motor fitted well and I was able to get correct belt tension. I rewired putting the wires through the pedestal leaving an outlet free for lighting I had replaced the spindle bearings and it ran as good as new. I put a dial on the bed and got almost no runout, can't remember what exactly it was. I managed to buy a Clarkson radius tool, and an as new 3 way 4" vice that still needs a purpose mount to the Clarkson.
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As you can see been doing a bit of polishing. I need to find a good light for it probably LED . Next will be a spindle stone guard with vacuum point and then find a pair of centres, I can't afford the price Machine Spares want, so I'll keep looking. I also have a height guage to put on.
Hope my post has been of interest Arnie. ( I'll be back )
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Looks good Arnie, even better second time around. I don't know how much you've used it yet on grinding tooling but mine needs bellows for the cross-slide desperately. The amount of grinding dust that ends up under the slide and on the screw is obscene. It means you can't use oil on your ways which is a pain. If you come across any bellows on your search, please let me know. The ones at ARC are just a little too wide unless anyone know of a decent kink to make them more suitable.
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Zadig Ebay item number:271815600670 I don't know if the Mk2 fit the Mk1 but Machine Soares Ebay site has these at the moment, that is if you've got deep pockets . Check out the price of the extension spindle !!!!!!!
Arnie
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That machine is a beauty... About the led light a lot of people are very pleased with the "Jansjų" light from Ikea. Also mentioned in some treads here and on John Doubleboost's videos about his old lathe.
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Not sure about the bellows but lights- look at 12v angel eyes lights or the stalk version http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141278104751?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT.
These have a good write up ( waiting for mine currently) and with a 12 power supply are "safe" if anything hits them
Keep up the project!
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Thanks for the link Arnie, I've seen that listing before but I must have missed the bellows somehow. They are a bit pricey mind, but for some reason bellows tend to be from most places with the exception of ARC and the ones they sell. I don't know if I can stomach £150, but the machine is nigh on useless without them.
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Hi there, Arnie,
I'm not seeing a lot of your photos - is it just me or does anyone else have the same problem?
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Pete, Arnie is having problems with Photobucket. He's trying to get his head around it at the moment.
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There's no pleasing some folk :). I quite like the photos of the cute little kitten .....OZ.
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Sorry folks operator error I did say at the start this was my first post.
Thanks for your patience.
Arnie.
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Pete, Arnie is having problems with Photobucket. He's trying to get his head around it at the moment.
Thank you Zadig. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Arnie, whatever you did, it worked! I can see all your photos now. The only problem now is :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
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That certainly is a first class renovation; well done.
Dave.
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Agreed but why use it as buffing lathe? As far as I am aware, this was never part of the design. My experience with a Mark 1 suggests that the design minimises the grit problem- in normal use.
Regards
Norman
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... My experience with a Mark 1 suggests that the design minimises the grit problem- in normal use.
Regards
Norman
Kindly explain.
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Hi Arnie, Welcome to the forum.
You have done a cracking job of the Clarkson :thumbup: :drool: :drool:, I have a MK 2 awaiting the same treatment, mine will also need the bellows too. I still need various attachments too but not often you see them go cheap these days :palm:
Cheers Mick
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This is a project that interests me as I too have a MK1 Clarkson that I've made some tooling for!
Regards, Matthew
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:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: Cracking job Arnie :thumbup:
It looks like it makes a canny buffing machine :palm:
And here be my sorry looking machine :)
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Rob
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My gosh, Rob,
How on earth shall you fix that tee-slot?!?! :scratch: :scratch: :scratch:
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My gosh, Rob,
How on earth shall you fix that tee-slot?!?! :scratch: :scratch: :scratch:
I will just knock the ruff edges off with a hammer and chisel Pete :lol: :lol: :lol:
Rob :palm:
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... My experience with a Mark 1 suggests that the design minimises the grit problem- in normal use.
Regards
Norman
Kindly explain.
Apologies for the delay but the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing at the local computer firmament.
As far as I know, the Clarkson never had dust excluders. Certainly, this understanding is taken from the original Clarkson handbook and access to a wealth of later articles as well as access to a sizeable number of home owned and tool room machines.
If one moves the goal posts to using one to lesser duties as a buffer- I don't know. Buffing machines seem to be cheaper than paper dust excluders. Back to left and right hands and the bit in between :doh:
As far as original concepts about grit etc, I built the baby Clarkson( the Stent) and it didn't have dust excluders and subsequent writers on that machine have made no reference either.
Hope this helps
Norman
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The MK2 has plenty of revisions for dust control. I suspect that those that say they have no dust problem, rarely use them.
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Norman
You may be interested in http://www.bedroom-workshop.com/ there is a wealth of
information on Clarksons. I am sure that if you utilise your tool cutter on a daily basis as intended you would feel the need for bellows, as included by the manufacture in their first revision of the tool.
For myself I doubt my use will justify the expense, but I would like to include them to save on vacuuming time. As you may have read I am making a stone guard for my grinding work and my use has ranged from lathe and mill tool grinding, drill sharpening, and even a bit of surface grinding, it is not a buffing machine, but a very versitile tool.
Arnie.
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Arnie- my thanks but I expect that mine will simply be dumped now.
Cheers
Norman
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To follow up on the debate on bellows Steve Vine From Bedroom-Workshop has just sent me this link
http://www.modelengineeringwebsite.com/Machine_bellows.html
Anyone for a touch of origami, I might give it a go.
Arnie
or get them already made.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.TRS0&_nkw=+Dust+Protector+Cover+for+CNC+Machine
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Hi Lads,
That's a job very well done, and the workmanship appreciated, as I know what it's like to try and sort one of these out..
I've had a little play with mine of late, thought it time to make a guard, especially as the size of wheel I intend to use is getting bigger..
I hope you don't mind me posting a few pics, as it might give a few ideas....
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Arnie, thanks for showing the construction details for the machine bellows. I have made several bellows with varying success, but this one is excellent, and I must give it a try.
Cheers David