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The Shop => Our Shop => Topic started by: raynerd on July 22, 2009, 04:16:57 PM
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As I continue to build up more and more equipment, I grow more concerns about the security in my workshop. I`m just curious as to what steps you all take to ensure your shop is safe. I haven`t got a huge budget but I`m interested to learn more about what is available and what precautions you all take...
Chris
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I have a full security system at my house. One that is monitored etc... Plus I have 2 very large dogs. One of them, a German Shepherd. Sales people and other door to door types tend not to stick around for long when she starts to bark...
Eric
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Chris
Bars on the window, Blind over the window so you can't see in, High fence and gate around the property, A shed alarm you can get them from B and Q for about 20 squid, Good solid yale lock, Keep it quite what's in your shop, You can get insurance for your shop.
Stew
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My workshop is part of the house and I have a very loud electric bell that will ring whenever any garage door is open unless I have deliberately switched them off.
I keep the windows covered and I do not work with the doors open (less time for passers by to see the goodies).
I have a small box at the front door which has a numeric keypad, a keylock and a nice flashing LED on the front. The LED is powered by the door bell circuit.
No problems yet, fingers crossed.
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People watched as my workshop was being emptied....they thought I was moving out.
No-one took a registration number or asked any questions....bells, though they can help for the casual thief they can be silenced quite quickly.
Having said all that you have to do what you can, my garage has a wireless camera linked to the house and will have a loud bell.....
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Thanks for the suggestions - all of the usual I have got, lock, large fence and I don`t really discuss with people what is in there. I was hoping to go for some sort of cheap alarm that would ring in the house if a door is opened. I don`t think people care about burgerlar alarms, I`m guilty, if I hear an alarm I think "damn alarm" not "oooh best go check that house for a thief!" It would ideally be for night time, you know so it wakes me up if the door is opened.
Stew, I`ll take a look at the BQ alarms, may be useful.
John Hill - how is your bell wired then, is it like what Stew mentioned, a shed alarm or is it something you have hooked up yourself?
Chris
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btw, Eric, I have a Cavalier Kind Charles and he tends to draw people over to the house to pet him rather than scare them away!! :lol:
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Chris, the bell is simply wired to 'normally open' switches on all the doors, if anyone opens the doors the bell will ring.
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I'm in good with the retired neighbors. ;) They check up on everybody even slowing down by the house. The other half is home unemployed now too :(
I do work with the garage door open a bit, so I know the neighbors (unlike many US locations, people actually stroll up and down the sidewalks here) and every so often one will drop in to see what I'm up to or borrow a tool, but I also try to make it so there's not much in the way of 'goodies' (toolboxes are a big one) that can be seen from the street-- only the back of the mill and at 1600 lbs, it'll take 'em a while. It took the "3-stooges-rigging-company" a good hour of alternate cursing and hysterical late night laughter to get it in.
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Ah, I discovered a security hole in my setup tonight. ::) Since it rained for the first time in ages it was cool enough to open the garage door and let some air in. As it was dark I only opened it a couple feet. I'm fiddling away cutting something on the mill and out of the corner of my eye I see the cat come wandering in under the door. She's not supposed to be out, and especially not around front... Except it's not the cat, it's a large opossum, and none too scared of me. I grabbed something and threw it at it before remembering the camera, but it looked about like this, though just kinda sniffing around checking the place out looking for food.
(http://www.google.com/images?q=tbn:YcZVt-uWhUxbqM::www.hiltonpond.org/images/OpossumVirginia01.jpg)
Must consider security netting or laser tripwire :)
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A cat and a dog work wonders for vermin, cat catches, plays and gets it cornered, Jack Russell runs in and finishes it off. Done and dusted in a couple of seconds.
For my shop, no windows, steel doors (easy to get past, but look formidable), full IR alarm system, that if you fart in there when you shouldn't, it goes off. A Jack Russell and a fat cat flap work wonders, he is out and warning, day or night, if anyone gets near the surrounding 6ft fence of the rear garden. I think he must sleep with one eye open and one ear on alert.
If they did manage to bypass it all, if they can carry it and still get away, they are welcome to it. I have every piece of machinery and it's related tooling catalogued with photos, so insurance claims shouldn't be a problem.
Bogs
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I have every piece of machinery and it's related tooling catalogued with photos, so insurance claims shouldn't be a problem
That is a good point, I may well do that. I need to look into my home insurance policy and see what is covered in there, I guess you would have to pay for specialist cover as someone has already mentioned to have it all insured.
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Perfect timing this topic,
on saturdaynight,i did get an unwanted visitor,him trying to prye open the old wooden door of my shop that cracks and pieps woke me up and hang out the window as the shop is on the same side,i only saw a dark figure.
My first reflex was just yell as loud as i could,wich made him take off like a grashopper,my yard is closed of by one side with a 10 feet hi concrete wall wich was no obstikle for the guy tojump upto and climbe over in secconds,gone with nothing but my nightrest.
I've been thinking over several possible safety items,all been mentioned above but i wanted to add one more;it apeared to me that in the 37 years i lived here,i never had any unwanted visitors,only now when i bought my lathe and all the tooling needed,this guy pops up,not only the right timing but also,he seemed to know exactly where to go look for the goodys.
So my thoughts were going in the direction of the moving company that brought in the machine and the fact that nowaday hoodlums are following up maybe on the digital side ,maybe able to check customerlists of companys and what's been sold to them.
One thing i think is indeed the most important start of keeping away the nightcrawlers;try to keep the number of people knowing what you have to a absolute minimum,it may feel fancy to show off all tha lathes,mills and shiny tools but you never know how far the word goes...
Danny
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Here in the states, and especially out in the country were I live, we still use a device the throws about an ounce of lead with a loud noise. Nobody cares much when they hear this. They just figgure your coon hunting.
So I'm tempted to hang up a sign that says, "Notice: Unless you are a family member, invited guest or making a delivery you are tresspassing and will be shot on site"
(note: the above is said with tounge in cheek.)
Bernd
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Bernd - I`d be interested to know how quickly the police would call around if you hung up a sign like that here in England. I dare say over here if you found someone in your shop, you gave them a wack, I thought you would end up on the wrong side of the law.. :bang:
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Bernd - I`d be interested to know how quickly the police would call around if you hung up a sign like that here in England. I dare say over here if you found someone in your shop, you gave them a wack, I thought you would end up on the wrong side of the law.. :bang:
Well yes, it is like that in a lot of countries. You see there is seen to be a difference between crimes against property and crimes against person and it is considered that crimes against property are not as serious as crimes against person so assaulting someone's person in order to protect your property is not on. Pretty simple really.
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Well yes, it is like that in a lot of countries. You see there is seen to be a difference between crimes against property and crimes against person and it is considered that crimes against property are not as serious as crimes against person so assaulting someone's person in order to protect your property is not on.
Well it should be on......shoot em...dig hole...and forget all about it.....
Nothin but scum...
Over here, you find them, ring police, wait several hours if not days depending how busy they are, (in my case it was over a week) for them to give you a crime No' for your insurance company so you can make a claim.
The actual crime is of no interest to them....... but if you thump the intruder with something soft like a baseball bat, or let your dog play with him you could well end up being locked up for partaking in a little crime prevention....
That is why we have so much crime over here.....
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It is crazy that you can not be physical with someone to get them off your property if they are thieving from you? - and I dare say that these are the people that would give you a good wollop first!
So you catch someone in your shop - have you just meant to ask them nicely to please leave, ohhh and if they wouldn`t mind, it would be awfully nice if they could leave the equipment in their pockets back when they got it from!! :bang: :doh: :poke:
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That is why we have so much crime over here.....
I agree - they going out a night knowing that if someone catches them they aren`t going to necessarily retaliate! I think crime would drastically be reduced if they know they could be shot on site on someone elses property!! I never have to go on anyone elses property so it doesn`t worry me... :ddb:
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Bernd - I`d be interested to know how quickly the police would call around if you hung up a sign like that here in England. I dare say over here if you found someone in your shop, you gave them a wack, I thought you would end up on the wrong side of the law.. :bang:
I've heard that.
We could get into a real political disscusion here. Like I said it was more of something to chukle at than acutally do. I think I'd have the same problem hear as things are heating up on gun control. So time to get serious and drop this subject for me.
Bernd
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PLEASE DO!
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I gotta agree with John and Bernd. One of the things that will rile people up is political discussions (I think religion is the other). I have seen far too many threads destroyed because they get political. So... as much as the idea of shop security is important, lets stick to that and drop anything political or firearms related. :med:
Carry on. :borg:
Thanks
Eric
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Though, something along these (http://madmodder.net/index.php?topic=1489.0;topicseen) lines could make a good deterrent, sadly also probably frowned upon though (http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b28/CrewCab53/Smileys/whistle.gif)
CC
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Back on topic - I have been to my local lock shop who showed me a nice little gadget - £30 and it is about the size and shape as a regular smoke detector. You stick it on the wall above the door and basically it is a motion sensor and goes off should anyone enter. It comes with a remote, so you just click the remote button to turn it off before you enter. Something to consider .... ?
cc - could be a plan!
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Just be wary in a shed / outbuilding though, things that work well in a house can be a little too sensitive in draughty outbuildings and, if an odd rodent gets in ................. :bugeye:
CC
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CC, I believe at Mr Bogs' place Bandit takes care of all rodents!
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Don't forget, not just rodents, but jammie doughnuts, pies, biscuits, in fact anything that will fit in the hole at the front of his head, hence the FAT cat flap.
Bogs
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Over here, you find them, ring police, wait several hours if not days depending how busy they are, (in my case it was over a week) for them to give you a crime No' for your insurance company so you can make a claim.
Darren: "Hello, police? There a chap trying to break into my shed? Fancy popping over and nabbing him?
Police: Sorry old chum - bit busy at the mo. How does next tuesday sound?
Darren: Hmmm... not so good to be honest. Wait.... Ah... it's OK... I've just shot him myself... winged the blighter in the leg...No need to rush now. See you on Tuesday.
Within thirty minutes: 1x helicopter, 2x armed response units and 25x police officers.
Of course - you don't ACTAULLY shoot said ruffian - but a good way to get a rapid response.
This is a joke, but lacksidasical response to theft seems to be getting worse. After repeatedly loosing camera's and laptops during air travel- with zero botherment from the airlines - I now take a starters pistol with me on all plane journeys. You get to the ticket counter and state you have a starter pistol. You get given a big steel box with 2x locks. Put the pistol in the box, drop in camera/laptop etc ( although needs to not be a huge laptop ) and then everything solid and secure, and backed up with vast amounts of paperwork - when you land. Have done this maybe 12-14 times now, no issue, no "homeland security" problems or big questionings about why your carrying a starter pistol. Only adds about 5 minutes to the check-in process, and I can attest that the Indian, US and UK authourities are fine with this. Although YMMV with other countires.
Back on topic....
I have a Yale house alarm which is wireless and modular. I've added another sensor into the garage, and a second siren INSIDE the garage as well. After much swearing and reading of instructions, the siren in the garage only goes off if someone breaks into the garage. The siren is so deafening in the confines of a garage that within a minute or so it becomes difficult to function - I don't think you can cope with it long enough to practically steal anything.
A local garage ( Car mechanics to those in the US Of A ) does this, but also has 2x strobe lights which were previously used for stadium rock gigs - something ridiculous like 1500 watts. My friend was "volenteered" to test the system, and ran into the garage with the siren and the strobes. He found it so disorientating that within a minute he was having difficulty moving, and desribed the experience as feeling as though his limbs were disconnecting from his body. He left the garage on his hands and knees.
Steve
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That gives me an idea,
I have a vintage 2,000W bulb. It quite literally temporarily blinds you for about 20min if you are silly enough to glance at it.
(yes I have been known to have a silly moment or two)
You can't walk anywhere for about 5-10min and that's if you look at it in daylight.
Imagine what would happen in the pitch dark of night..... :lol: :lol: :lol:
Now all I need is a motion sensor that has a remote.....any ideas?
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I once had tools stolen, about a week's pay worth. I view this as equivalent to taking my life, or some portion of it. Not only did I loose a week of life's effort, I lost, in some measure, the ability to make a living -to sustain life- with the tools. Indeed, the tools can be replaced, but the 40 hours can't.
Now, in defending my life, that is, the possessions that the efforts of a lifetime have made possible, and the tools I need to sustain life, to what extreme dare I go? Certainly not to take another's life even though he is in the act of taking a part of mine. Assuredly not to injure another while he is in the act of taking part of my life. Perhaps not to detain another for taking a part of my life, for freedom lost is life lost. Or even to impede someone from taking the substance of my life or livelyhood may be too much. Following this slippery slope of logic would ultimately lead to no locks on doors - any defense is too extreme.
Maybe the politicians are blood relations to the ordinary thieves.
Back on topic - forgive me if I don't reveal the details and extent of my security measures.
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I once had tools stolen, about a week's pay worth. I view this as equivalent to taking my life, or some portion of it. Not only did I loose a week of life's effort, I lost, in some measure, the ability to make a living -to sustain life- with the tools. Indeed, the tools can be replaced, but the 40 hours can't.
Now, in defending my life, that is, the possessions that the efforts of a lifetime have made possible, and the tools I need to sustain life, to what extreme dare I go? Certainly not to take another's life even though he is in the act of taking a part of mine. Assuredly not to injure another while he is in the act of taking part of my life. Perhaps not to detain another for taking a part of my life, for freedom lost is life lost. Or even to impede someone from taking the substance of my life or livelyhood may be too much. Following this slippery slope of logic would ultimately lead to no locks on doors - any defense is too extreme.
Maybe the politicians are blood relations to the ordinary thieves.
Back on topic - forgive me if I don't reveal the details and extent of my security measures.
Weston Bye
That is probably some of the best security advice given on this forum. Another was not to show off to everyone driving down the street how much man candy you have in your garage/shed.
Another one that is good is a motion detector/heat sensor that hook up to a flood light.
cheers :beer:
Don
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politicians are thieves.
Fixed it for ya.
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With advance apologies to John....
Mssr's Smith and Wesson are on watchful duty here and you WILL be found with a recently fired weapon in hand, when the police and coroner arrive to retrieve your remains. The above is based on specific advice given me by local law enforcement. What a country!!
Steve
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I don't want to alarm you, but then maybe I do....
I was pretty aware how easy it was to pick most locks, but it seems the kids are now teaching each other the joys of bumping...
That's lock bumping.......
Never heard of it, just look on Utube
If you have any sort of padlock or Yale type key door lock then you might as well leave the door open.
Oddly enough even Bump proof locks are not bump proof....fancy 10 pins with 7 side pins are very space age looking keys are no trouble.....beware...
The only type of lock that so far seems to be immune to bumping are mortise locks, but make sure it's a five lever type cos 3 leavers are fairly easy to pick.
It's all pretty worrying.
I'm insured I hear you say.....well maybe not. No sign of forced entry and the insurers say you must have forgotten to lock the door. They will not pay out. The police take the same view, no signs of forced entry.....then you must be pulling a fast one....
Sleep tight...
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Hmmm......
I`ve been a bit busy recently, as you can see......
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/p8020014.jpg)
You can also see where the overnight vermin silently stole the copper gas pipe from the empty house next door!
Don`t feel quite so secure in our quiet little cul de sac any more......
David D
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A very cheap deterent is what a friend of mine has done. On the inside at the top of his gate and fence, about 2" down, under the top rail as shown on your neighbour's fence, he has nailed carpet gripper strips, the ones used around the edges when having fitted carpets. He has them sticking out and pointing down, so as they grip to climb over, the 'spikes' dig in and hold their fingers to the fence, the more pressure they put on them the tighter they grip. His cats have no trouble with them, but nightime prowlers seem to do.
Just where your fingertips would automatically try to grab hold of to climb over.
Rather than hanging on by your fingertips, they would be being held on.
Within a week of him fitting them, the police had lovely DNA samples along the top of his garden gate and all the way down his drive. I bet the culprit couldn't scratch his a**e or pick his nose for a fair while.
As to the legality of what he has done, the police turned a blind eye (up to now), and no one has yet been back to complain.
I'm not condoning doing it, just a passing comment.
Bogs
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Nice one John! :thumbup:
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Nice tip there John, but you might find that's a bit dodgy...the police might turn a blind eye for now but if someone had the B**ls to complain it could be a different story.
Glass buried in cement and razor wire were outlawed some years ago, this might be seen in a similar fashion, even worse could be considered as "intent"
Like thieving isn't..... :doh:
Some years ago I almost had to have a dog put down cos it bit some scum, I think cos he only got nipped I got away with it. It could have been a lot worse as the dog was more than capable. As I said that was years ago...now I'm not so sure they'd turn the other way.
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To bad they outlawed guns. Now only the outlaws have them. Or so the saying goes.
Bernd
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I`m obviously really naive here then - could you really get "done" for screwing carpet nails to the inside of your OWN fence on your OWN property? Is that not just the same as the steel spikes we have on some of the gates around work?
Darren - regarding bumping, whilst at uni I got quite into speed picking with my mate who was working full time at a locksmiths and I got pretty decent at 5 pin tumblers and could even do a few anti-picking pin tumbler locks. My parents went sick with shock when, infront of them, I picked there front door house lock nearly as quickly as they could do it with the key just simply by raking the pins with a raking pick and adding a little tension. We even made a tool using a apple corer to pick lever locks (mortise locks). I did it for about a year and then lost interest. It must have been only about 2 years ago when I came across the idea of bumping, I watched a video on youtube showing a young girl at a lockpicking convention (presume she was with parents :S) bumping a lock!! Youtube search "girl bumping lock) ! IT is scary, like darren says, if someone comes around with a small collection of bump keys they can pretty much open the majority of locks on a normal street!! :doh:
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I`m obviously really naive here then - could you really get "done" for screwing carpet nails to the inside of your OWN fence on your OWN property? :doh:
Yup, Big Time ............... lot's of documented cases, but this really isn't the place for that discussion .......... have a Google, it will most likely surprise you (http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b28/CrewCab53/Smileys/shocked.gif)
CC
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I had a look!!!!!! :(
terrible...incredible...no words...!!!! :scratch: :scratch: :bang: :jaw:
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How about a pneumatic nail gun at about leg-height? I have consideret it several times! :zap:
More seriously, I have no windows, and a dual locking mechanism on the door, only operatable with two different special keys. The shop is also insured for £50 000, and every new thing I buy is documented with pictures, so that I have proof of when I bought it. I also take yearly picutres to document the condition of things. One can never be too careful!
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...a 10 feet hi concrete wall wich was no obstikle for the guy tojump upto and climbe over in secconds...
Danny
You know times are tough when Spring Heeled Jack has to resort to B&E to make a living. :lol:
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I'm looking at installing a house/garage security system that rings your mobile if one of the detectors goes off. It even tells you which detector and you can add a camera to watch/listen in.
They are not that expensive. I also like the fact that they also have smoke/water/heat detectors as well.
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well here you dont have to worry about that dog or any other animal but you do have to watch out for by very good freisnds SMITH & WESSON
they dont like anybody if you dont have permision to be here then you better not be here :headbang: then there is there cousin BUCK SHOT he dont like anybody either
any is messy about it...... dimes are your freind shoot some u will like it :headbang:
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Remember several years ago there was a spate of break and enters in our area. The fact that its out in the sticks didnt seem to bother them. Ours and the neighbors wernt targeted, can only put it down to the deterrant factor of nasty looking dogs.
4 dogs and a long run to the fence/gate on all sides. Definetely dont come thru from the next door neighbors side, they have several Dobermans.
By all means bring your lock bumping tools, gives the Staffys something to play with after they get bored chewing on any would be theives. Of course the gate and shed are locked. Sensor lites, security camera. The harder u make it..... theres definetely easier places to rob.
I'm also wary of taking fotos of my entire workshop. Sorry guys no workshop tours.
I sleep pretty well at nite.
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jatt,
Already know four of your security secretes. :bugeye: All very easy to get around. :jaw:
Bernd
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Just noticed this post.
My security is a 12 gage, 223 AR-15 coupled with a pit bull. And most of all the constitution of the united states of America.
I shot at guy back in 1996 for trespassing and coon hunting on our land, the state police were helpful and removed the offender within minuets.
Never will I allow people who are not asked to be on my land be on there.
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All these guns for shop protection, wow.
I holster a pistol or two all the time when I'm working arround the house or in the machine shop all the homestead is well covered. I hope and pray I never to have to use force but,,, Si vis pacem, para bellum. Failure drills are my new training study. 21' and closer.
I have a well designed security system to alert me of all comings and goings and good neighbors that do call the police.
I've got this nifty 9mm Glock barrel for a .40 cal G23 compact that needs the compensator modified. I bought it for when I train non shooters or otherwise introduce newbees to pistols. There is no muzzle climb but there is too much flash and debris. I was studying the barrel at my metal working area and did make mental notice of the freedoms in play. Being well armed while working on a firearm. Not being form the USA originally makes one savour the right a little more I think.
I think I might rebore the holes to a better angle to expell the gasses more forward rather than upward. I might have to part it off though eventually.
Heres to protecting life with firearms, never property. :beer:
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I brought a few landmines back from my time in Afghanistan and have placed them in the gravel driveway and in the lawn beside the house, I think the most likely approaches are well covered.
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A very cheap deterent is what a friend of mine has done. On the inside at the top of his gate and fence, about 2" down, under the top rail as shown on your neighbour's fence, he has nailed carpet gripper strips, the ones used around the edges when having fitted carpets. He has them sticking out and pointing down, so as they grip to climb over, the 'spikes' dig in and hold their fingers to the fence, the more pressure they put on them the tighter they grip. His cats have no trouble with them, but nightime prowlers seem to do.
Just where your fingertips would automatically try to grab hold of to climb over.
Rather than hanging on by your fingertips, they would be being held on.
Within a week of him fitting them, the police had lovely DNA samples along the top of his garden gate and all the way down his drive. I bet the culprit couldn't scratch his a**e or pick his nose for a fair while.
As to the legality of what he has done, the police turned a blind eye (up to now), and no one has yet been back to complain.
I'm not condoning doing it, just a passing comment.
Bogs
Bogs,
That's called a man trap here in the US and will get us on the wrong side of the law quickly. We can use any reasonable active measure but an indiscriminant passive measure is a no no.
B
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All this is Very true. Thee really is no security when you are not home. There is no way to keep someone out if they want to get in.
B
I don't want to alarm you, but then maybe I do....
I was pretty aware how easy it was to pick most locks, but it seems the kids are now teaching each other the joys of bumping...
That's lock bumping.......
Never heard of it, just look on Utube
If you have any sort of padlock or Yale type key door lock then you might as well leave the door open.
Oddly enough even Bump proof locks are not bump proof....fancy 10 pins with 7 side pins are very space age looking keys are no trouble.....beware...
The only type of lock that so far seems to be immune to bumping are mortise locks, but make sure it's a five lever type cos 3 leavers are fairly easy to pick.
It's all pretty worrying.
I'm insured I hear you say.....well maybe not. No sign of forced entry and the insurers say you must have forgotten to lock the door. They will not pay out. The police take the same view, no signs of forced entry.....then you must be pulling a fast one....
Sleep tight...
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I'm looking at installing a house/garage security system that rings your mobile if one of the detectors goes off. It even tells you which detector and you can add a camera to watch/listen in.
They are not that expensive. I also like the fact that they also have smoke/water/heat detectors as well.
Darren,
This is a great idea. Lots of peace of mind. I had a fancy truck, my first new one, years ago and I had a paging security system. Touch it and I was notified. Nice system.
B
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I brought a few landmines back from my time in Afghanistan and have placed them in the gravel driveway and in the lawn beside the house, I think the most likely approaches are well covered.
I don't suppose you get out and about much nowadays, John. Still, you've hit on a good way of avoiding the lawnmower
:lol:
Andy
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I found the Glock although a nice piece of engineering, a very hard gun to shoot!. Gave me nappy rash on the index finger.
I too carry a 357 mag on a shoulder holster around the farm, it is a little uncomfortable. A more sleek design hand gun is needed just don’t have the loot right now!.
I too am not native to the states where you from space?
John Hill. Now that shows initiative ! If you ever invite me over for a beer please email me the mine-plan.
All the best. Anthony.
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I found the Glock although a nice piece of engineering, a very hard gun to shoot!. Gave me nappy rash on the index finger.
I too carry a 357 mag on a shoulder holster around the farm, it is a little uncomfortable. A more sleek design hand gun is needed just don’t have the loot right now!.
I too am not native to the states where you from space?
John Hill. Now that shows initiative ! If you ever invite me over for a beer please email me the mine-plan.
All the best. Anthony.
I've had the misfortune of needing a gun and not having one so that will never again happen when my family is depending on me. Carrying one for me has never been for comfort, just safety. Not ment to be comfortable, just comforting :)
The Glock is a marvel in engineering and that trigger has been a source of concern for some. It's perfectly acceptable to smooth it and get those grooves to stop taking hold so much. There are many small light pistols out there. The PPK is a great small one, there are a number of good ones from Kel-Tec like the PF-9 thats just under $250. That .357 is a monster to shoot though compared to these.
From the Frozen north originally, I am a real carpet bagger, just decided to stay :).
Yes we are Not going to sneak up on Johns place! :wave:
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John Hill. Now that shows initiative ! If you ever invite me over for a beer please email me the mine-plan.
All the best. Anthony.
That wont be a problem Anthony, I will send a border collie to the gate to lead you in. That dog is the only one who really remembers where they all are.
Just stick close to her but be aware she can move pretty fast so do try to keep up! She left a couple of Mormon boys out there this morning and now I think she has gone off chasing rabbits.
John
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Bernd.
Most things are if one is determined enough.
I recon a good percentage of would be theives are opportunists.
In OZ we cant just carry around hand cannons, even in the name of personal protection. Firearms laws have gotten very strict in recent years in these parts.
But of course a bloke doesnt reveal all of his security measures, just the visually obvious stuff anyone can see when they walk in :D
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Jatt,
Good answer. We'll leave your security at that then. No need to give out more info, right? :)
Bernd
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Thought I'd throw this one in.
A mate's father shed was broken/walked into a while ago. The house is only 3mtrs off the shed and the mate lives in a caravan at the back of the shed so the shed door is usually left unlocked for him to come and go as thats his only access. They have high fences, 3 dogs and thought they were pretty safe. One morning they woke up to find the door open and mates brand new motor cross bike which was chained up gone. Looking around while they waiting for the police they found a set of bolt cutters, two coke cans and brown crumbs on the floor. Checking the fridge latter they found the thieves had gone to the fridge while they were there and helped themselves to a can of coke and a piece of chocolate cake and sat down eating it while they were cutting the chain. They also stole his MX boots, a road bike helmet and a set of ratchet ring spanners from his dad. Later that morning they got a call that the bike had been found in another suburb. Evidently the police had chased the thieves, and they jumped off and ran into the bush never to be seen again. He got the bike back but nothing else, they had to claim on the house insurance. The police said they couldn’t get finger prints off the coke cans either.
There are some brazen thieves out there.
Davo
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Locked fence, locked shed... 357Mag, 20 Gauge Shotgun, and pissy German Shepard.
If anyone can get thru that, and not wake me up and get away without being shot...
Well, they can have it.
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In Canada we are only allowed Stainless Steel Strips with Fish Hooks Silver Soldered onto them, Then using Tapcons mount inside window sills and on top of the Fence. Very Effective I have to say. The screams alone will wake you up Guaranteed. Have never had anyone come to the Door complaining with Mushy Bleeding Hands Yet and if they do Ill club him like a Seal. So far my cheap security system has been effective. I also set up IR cameras up in trees around the House. They are the cheap hunting type and very effective even at night shots. Total cost is very reasonable.
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Over here, you find them, ring police, wait several hours if not days depending how busy they are, (in my case it was over a week)
That's the exact reason I carry....a cop is to heavy for me..;)
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HI all well one of my workshop security sistems is a old 12volt car alarm
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When I lived in the uk, I used to have mesh on the inside of my sheds on insulator standoffs, and connected to a electric fence generator set to "Bull" mode and we had it as a zone of the house alarm as we lived in a rough inner town slum type area and it was well known the contents were interesting. Someone did once peel back the roof and stick their hand through once, but only once.
I had a friend who did the same in desperation after having his shop workshop burgled 8 times in a year despite steel doors and 1/4" plate lock boxes etc, and being dropped by his insurance company. However he used 240v, and no mcb. I asked him what he'd do if he found a dead scrote one day, and he said throw them in the back of the van and toss them out at the docks. No compassion for thieves and they were killing his business. Just a small one man band trying to make a meagre living. He found a very bent and curly screwdriver one day where they'd tried to dig through the big huge heavy doors to get to the bolts made from motorcycle fork legs and open them. They never came back either...
When I moved to France, because i live in the middle of nowhere surrounded by a few vacant holiday homes it was a concern, but nothing was normally touched. Apart from stuff in the field which was a few fields away from the house where things would get picked clean of useful things. Van's would loose their wheels and be found on blocks etc. I suspected a local so when my wife wanted to go away for a fortnight which would mean the dog had to go live in the kennels for it, I got good and ready.
6 days into the holiday my house alarm rang me at 3am to say the workshop zone had triggered. So I telephoned my father in law and he drove over (about 30 minutes away) with strict instructions not to enter the building whatever, and not to let anyone else in either. He found the double doors popped and managed to secure them and reset the alarm.
I drove back the next day with that sick feeling in the pit of my stomach and I went straight to check it out, and found a trail of blood leading out of the middle shop and noticed the local with a severe limp. Someone had found the home made alarm mine with a fishing line trip, loaded with a blank cartridge, only it seems somehow some rock salt and a few tacks had fell into the barrel section aimed at leg height. All I can say is its a good job he got the message, as there were far far nastier things involving the three phase and live metal surfaces waiting further in. It was the last time the house or workshops were touched.
I have "danger of death, enter at own risk" in two languages on the entrances, and I have a checklist I follow to disarm and arm all the systems which I follow religiously to save getting bit by them myself. And I only use them when we're away overnight and the second and third contacts for the alarm know the score about not entering. For the rest of the time we have a large and noisy dog, who's sole job is to wake me up.
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My basement shop is only accessible from outside the house, because of this I put a decent lock on the door and rigged a small alarm system which also warns of flooding.
Aside from that: It's just paranoid old me who works from home, is therefore at home most of the time and has a 12 G shotgun and a couple of rifles.
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Lucky for me the crime rate is very low here and when there is a break-in, they vandals hardly carry anything huge away and usually just look for cash, jewelry and alcohol.
Since we bought our current house, there has only been one burglary in the area we live and in that particular case ,the house owner was away for 2 months when it happened( i think it was an inside job)
That being said , i still have CCD cameras mounted around with the accompanying notification signs. Added to this i have infrared GSM alarms that ring to my (and my wifes) mobile phone if an intruder comes within 6 meters of any sensor.
Luckily, Police response time for us is 3-6mins.
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Lucky for you, if it is a standard break in here, it can take a day to never before they turn up.
They normally just give you a report number when you phone in about it and tell you to claim off your insurance.
They are more interested in catching speeding motorists, they make more money out of it.
Bogs
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If you phone up and say "im not the homeowner, but I think the proprietor of XYZ acacia av has caught a thief and is bundling him into a outbuilding roughly" they come right away :)
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Police are 30 minute response time from where I stay so it's pretty much left to me to secure my stuff.
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Looks like I'm going to have to get something going. A few little things have started to disappear from a trailer outside my shop. Probably just drunks rounding up scrap for some Mad Dog money. But I've woken up. I'm going to look into those deer cameras. Padlocks have been installed on the fence. I really need to beef up the door to the shop. I have work to do this weekend.....
Wes
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That is disappointing to know Wes. My Uncle has just got a security camera. £140, wireless, records to a 32GB SD card and loops. It is on a sensor so isn`t on all the time but apparently you get 48 hours of recording on that which I expect on my back yard, would work out at a few weeks recording with it only coming on when I am in the yard or going to the bin! So a couple of weeks before it loops and is wiped which would be plenty of time to see something has gone and view the camera - I`m strongly considering one. The day footage is excellent quality, the night footage is easily good enough to identify someone.
Hope you get sorted.
Edit, looks like this one. This is £200 so he must have got it cheaper, then again his Mrs was listening so he could have been quoting a little less!!
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/7003385.htm?CMPID=GS001&_$ja=tsid:11527%7Ccc:%7Cprd:7003385%7Ccat:garden+and+diy+%2F+home+security+%2F+home+safety+and+alarms+%2F
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Here in South Australia some years ago, we were living in a well known Northern Suburb. One evening we received about 5 or 6 'phone calls threatening to come and break in to retrieve something of his that he believed we had. After a few phone calls I phoned the Police. They were dead keen on coming out as it was clearly a distressing situation. I gave the Police our address, as soon as I mentioned the suburb, the Policeman said "Oh, I'm sorry we don't go there at night"
The house was up for sale and we moved pretty soon afterwards!!
cheers
Bill Pudney
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"We don't go there at night" Damn. that's a Sign!
My shop is 30 miles away,, a 25x40 steel building in the middle of a rundown residential trailer park.
Hey, it was a bargain!
I'd had it about 2 years, long enough to fill it up with tools. I drove up one evening to find the door swinging on the hinges.
Everything of value was cleaned out. I had never insured it, but I check with my homeonwers carrier anyway. I was delighted to find I was covered under "off-premises" coverage.
It was 10% of my homeowners coverage.
So, I added up my losses and got a nice check, went shopping for new tools :thumbup:
Mind you, this was a automotive stuff, when I was racing but not yet machining.
I did add a HD deadbolt, and I bought a 2-zone wired alarm box from Radio Shack. I have motion sensors and door switches on it, a loud siren out of reach, and a strobe.And warning stickers.
That's been about 10 years and so far no one appears to have tested it.
Today it's full of machine tools, so I really need to look into adding coverage.
I also carry a pocket pistol all the time, and have a revolver hidden in the shop.
You Brits need to fix that legal problem you have.
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Full security system on the house.
Two large dogs, one of them a German Shepherd and the other a Border Collie.
The shepherd to keep the criminals outside while the collie comes to get me!!!
I don't think i need anything else! :thumbup:
A while ago some person tried to break in and set off the alarm.
The siren is deafening and that scared him enough.
When the coppers arrived they would not come inside to see what was going on because the shepherd kept them at bay!
The wife and i were at work and got a call from the cops saying that they thought the house was safe!!! :D
No one likes to take on big vicious dogs!!!
Andrew
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Is your German shepard a male?
Bernd
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Bernd,
Is your German shepard a male?
Bernd
Never mind about the shepard guy - what about his dog! :lol:
DaveH
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It's disappointing to read a thread hoping to get some security tips and then I find you all discussing the popular Christmas time movie Home Alone. But seriously has anyone got any suggestions that aren't vile, disproportionate, and/or totally illegal? The only good one so far has been to not advertise that you have stuff worth stealing.
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Sorry you could not finned what you were looking for 02sheslop ,,,,,,,,,,, maybe you have some ideas you would like to share on the matter
Rob
Edited ,, as my original post was uncalled for and way out of order .
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My garage has no windows and two doors, it was a free-standing plant room that I unbolted, cut down to size then re-built in my garden. One door (alley side) is a steel covered fire door and weighs about 3cwt, the other (garden side) is a 60min fire door with a narrow wired-glass window in the middle over which I've hung a metric/imperial conversion chart.
I'm not saying it's impregnable - but it bloody well looks it :D
The daftest thing I see doing is people flaunting their workshop & tools to the world online. Can't understand why people do that :scratch:
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The daftest thing I see doing is people flaunting their workshop & tools to the world online. Can't understand why people do that :scratch:
It's crazy seeing anyone flaunt anthing anywhere. I've had friends who've gotten the ~latest mobile phones~ and naturally started showing them off and to everyone, claiming they cost only £400 when the rrp is £700 or whatver crap. Leave it smack bang in the middle of the pub table the whole night for the world to see and then act surprised when the world sees it and the thing goes missing. Guess you could consider it quite flattering if you're that optimistic.
Another personal favourite is seeing a guy waddling around with his Canon brand Canon D-SLR camera in a Canon brand Canon camera bag with the Canon logo on the front, back, sides, and up and down the strap. Then the guy sits down on a bench and puts the bag behind him while he stops to wipe the sweat from his forehead and chins. If I was more of an opportunist i'd have been tempted to just pick the thing up and walk away with it around the corner and off into the sunset.
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02sheslop.
May be I should take the time to explain why you received such a hostile reception.
Your very first post I considered to be rude, sarcastic, demeaning to the members that had posted, and incorrect.
If you feel the post didn’t answer your particular question, then ask in the proper manner, someone will only be too happy to help.
It is all about participation in a nice positive and polite manner. :D :D :D
It is also customary to introduce your self first (in Introductions) before diving in head long.
So why don’t you introduce your self and come and join us. :D
:beer:
DaveH
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The reason I asked if the dog was a male was the fact if he's not properly trained then a female in heat will distract from his quard duties. And I'm being serious here.
Bernd
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Sorry Bernd,
DaveH
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I keep on thinking about buying one of those baby monitoring devices,You can leave one part in the garage/workshop and the other part in my living room of my house then you can hear anything going on inside your garage/shed/shop.(Just a thought)
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Allen,
Anything that can give a pre-warning is a good idea.
DaveH
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A well-known consumer magazine has tested baby monitors and its Best Buys start at about £50.
If the shed close to the house, something like this might be better. More audible if the TV is on loud, or if you are asleep. http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B002JCTR1K/ref=asc_df_B002JCTR1K3595002?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&tag=googlecouk06-21&linkCode=asn&creative=22206&creativeASIN=B002JCTR1K
Andy
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Places like Tiger Direct here in the colonies have DVR camera systems with 8 IR/normal cameras that are "weatherproof" "indoor/outdoor" as well as everything you need for around 350 bucks. OR if you want to do the entire house and garage, a 16 channel with 16 cameras is around 600.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/guidedSearch.asp?CatId=4442 (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/guidedSearch.asp?CatId=4442)
Granted there is nothing better than having the neighborhood friendly drunk/busybody, wandering down your alley in the early evening and having him see you come out with a large caliber handgun in your pocket. :thumbup:
Add to that, he is a racing fan, and ex motorcycle and circle track racer, and comes around once a month or so, and we talk racing. He also is close to all the less desirable members of the community, and is well aware my best friend is a rather large police officer who hangs out on weekends in the garage.
A sign saying you have video surveilance, and a no trespassing sign are good as well.
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why not spend the same amout of money as you would on a Vice and buy a dual zone detector Pacif/ultosonic both have to alarm at the same time for it to go off, and a simple alarm unit also think about a pasive out door detector with an indoor buzzer so you can tell if anybody is out side , with the amout of equipment and the engines /projects it is well worth it.
http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Index/Lighting_External_Index/Security_Lighting_Index/PIR_Detectors/index.html
http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Index/Alarm_Index/Alarm_Pir_Dual_Tech/index.html
Peter
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I've had a couple more little things gone missing. nothing major, just scraps that might have used for crazy inventions. We've now installed new locks and dead bolts on the house and shop. 2 of the 3 doors didn't have dead bolts. I use Vice-grips to lock the car door from the inside. The gates are always locked now. It's not too big of a pain now that I'm used to it. I'm making a security screen out of re-bar (I welded up most of it today) to go over the window on the man door in the shop and there will be a curtain on the inside. I have a cubbyhole for all my metal stock now. It will be moved there this weekend. When done it will look fenced off. I keep things I want in the back now and lock the doors when I leave. Even for a few minutes. My trailer now has a spot inside the fence and it will soon have a cover made to keep prying eyes out...
~Wes~
I'll post a few pictures this weekend.
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Hi,
Sorry to here of your problem with thieves. I am going through the same thing here at the moment.
Just on a month ago I had someone cut my rear chain wire fence and come up the paddock and steel my 2 dogs that where in a fully enclosed compound. The dogs where only a Labrador and a jack Russel so not expensive, but I think it was done so they could come back at a latter date, as these 2 would go off barking if anyone was around.
They were not after them for value as I have another dog further up which is a staffy bull terrier and worth a lot more than those 2 put together.
It had me worried as the last I saw them was at 11:30 at night and they where gone in the morning, so I started looking around for security cameras and stayed up each night and slept in the days until they arrived and where installed. I have a lot of gear in the shed and my some has $20.000 + tied up in motor bikes.
This is the set I ended up buying
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/280674690847?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
And then I bought 4 more to make up the 16 cameras and some long leads to reach down the paddock.
We also bought a pack of stickers and put them all around to deter them from coming in.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/160616648812?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
This might be an idea for you even if you don't put them up, though a couple of dummy cameras would make it look good.
I have added locks to every gate, double locks to the sheds and put everything away in the sheds so it is harder to get to. We have lived here for 30 years and never had one thing stolen and previously we used to leave things laying around the yard as our yard has 6ft plus high fences all around except for the back one in the paddock and nothing is visible from the road. We only have neighbors on each side as we are semi rural, which have lived here for as long as us and are nice people.
I keep to myself around here so I am not sure who it is, but it's not a good felling knowing someone has been in.
They must of had leads for the dogs as they always ran up inside or to the back door when we let them out.
I will also be doing the windows like you are and look forward to seeing your pictures.
Years ago for the roller doors, I drilled a hole in both vertical tracks halve way up and welded nuts to them. I then bent a bolt at 90 degrees to go into them which screws up against the door to stop it opening. This bolt jambs the door between the bolt and the front of the track and the corrugations wont allow it past.
Dave
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I am on a private dead end road with a fenced yard,
This is my security system. Works great. Its been so many years since iv locked my house or shop that I not sure where the key is.
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/snoopdog6502/shadowdressedup.jpg)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/snoopdog6502/IMG_2529-1.jpg)
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I welded up a screen to go over the window on the man door. It's made up of number 3 Re-bar and some old broken tools.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/Powderkeg3418/BNG.jpg)
We'll paint the letters so it can be read easier. Now I just need to move some more stuff\o/
~Wes~
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Wes
I like that screen. Better make sure that it is well fastened down as it looks good enough to steal. :lol: :lol:
I like it. You could probably make them up on a custom basis and sell them. :nrocks: :nrocks:
Cheers :beer:
Don
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Wes, I agree, I think you need to weld up a screen to protect the screen! Nice one, looks great.
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What a master piece, that will keep them out. Maybe you could make it so if someone tampers with it the hammer will fall down and hit them on the head. LOL
Dave
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Thanks for the compliments guys. I don't think the door would hold another one :lol: There is 70 feet of re-bar in this one. I had to go and buy some more because the 60 feet I bought at first got all used up. Maybe I could design :smart: a roller to support the door when I open it?
~Wes~
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Personally I'm a believer that a brick garage can be made suitably secure just by engineering it correctly.
Metal bars over windows are an obvious one, and if you're really concerned weld them from box section and fill them with some kind of carbide/concrete mixture, making hack sawing impossible. A petrol powered grinder would do the job (eventually) but is obviously unlikely and loud.
As for doors, well steel is obviously the way again. Ensure to fit the wavey lock things on the hinge side such that removal of the hinges serves no purpose. Clearly the door frame can't be wood as it can just be broken, replace or reinforce with steel. Lastly the locks, to avoid picking and make it difficult to kick them through position one of the locks right at the top of the door where you can only just reach it, and another at normal height. The top lock will be a nightmare to pick and is difficult to get a good impact when kicking or hammering.
Obviously the door itself needs to be impenetrable so if it's a normal door then just pop some steel on it, if you have time weld up a steel door and face it with ply or some wood of your choice.
If you have some kind of rolley or vertical moving garage door, well, good luck, I haven't thought of a good way of securing such a thing. Personally I would replace it with two big swinging doors made from steel w/ a wooden facia.
Once you've done all that there's really only the roof to worry about and nothing big's going out that way, so...
Alarms are no good what so ever. Nobody listens to them. Stop them getting in is the only way.
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About 12 months ago I had a visit from a "local" Australian.
My shop is about 5mts away from the house and the shed door is inline with the house side door which is inline with the passage from the dunny. (toilet)
Well it came to pass one night that I needed a break if you know what I mean, :coffee: so I just wondered into the house for a few minutes. When I'd finished I stopped to talk to the wife in the passage but noticed something not right in the shed doorway. It was half a head protruding into the opening of the doorway at gut height from inside the shed.
Well he must have decided that he'd been spotted and took off up the driveway.
That's when my legs started moving before my brain. I yelled and took off out the door after him.
I lost him after negotiating 2 small fences and a few front yards, when he went over a tall gate in the next street.
I put my lack of speed down to being 40 and not the sportsman type as well as trying to hold my pants up at the time.
Good thing he was faster, I hadn't got to thinking what I was going to do if I actually caught him. :wack:
It was just an opportunistic visit and nothing was missing, Never had a problem before or since.
Cheers.
Phil
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It is annoying that some people feel they have the right just to walk in and take something.
:beer:
DaveH
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"Sorry to here of your problem with thieves. I am going through the same thing here at the moment.
Just on a month ago I had someone cut my rear chain wire fence and come up the paddock and steel my 2 dogs that where in a fully enclosed compound. The dogs where only a Labrador and a jack Russel so not expensive, but I think it was done so they could come back at a latter date, as these 2 would go off barking if anyone was around.
They were not after them for value as I have another dog further up which is a staffy bull terrier and worth a lot more than those 2 put together."
Do they do the dog fighting thing down there? If so labs and jack russels are used as bait dogs in training. Friend of ours put a JR up on craigslist ("Free JRT, most be only dog, doesn't like other dogs) and she got tons of calls from people. When she said she wanted to see where the lived and where the dog would stay they never called back. She got a note from someone explaining that most CL free dogs get fed to fighting dogs.....sick sick sick.....
Who knew you had to lock up your dogs from thieving scum??
Here's to hoping that isn't where yours went...
My garage is residential and I really haven't thought much about security...but now I really am paranoid after reading this!!!!
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What really got me worried was a few days ago I locked my house and work keys in the house on my way to work. I had to break into the house to get them because my wife was out of town. It took me about 20 seconds :bugeye: I grabbed the LOCKED front door knob and twisted it really hard and it opened right up. Didn't make any noise or anything.
I really like the idea of another deadbolt up high. I might do that to my shop doors.
~Wes~
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Wes
You might want to change this post. You don't want to be giving thieves any more ideas on how to easily get into your house. :doh:
Cheers :beer:
Don
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"Sorry to here of your problem with thieves. I am going through the same thing here at the moment.
Just on a month ago I had someone cut my rear chain wire fence and come up the paddock and steel my 2 dogs that where in a fully enclosed compound. The dogs where only a Labrador and a jack Russel so not expensive, but I think it was done so they could come back at a latter date, as these 2 would go off barking if anyone was around.
They were not after them for value as I have another dog further up which is a staffy bull terrier and worth a lot more than those 2 put together."
Do they do the dog fighting thing down there? If so labs and jack russels are used as bait dogs in training. Friend of ours put a JR up on craigslist ("Free JRT, most be only dog, doesn't like other dogs) and she got tons of calls from people. When she said she wanted to see where the lived and where the dog would stay they never called back. She got a note from someone explaining that most CL free dogs get fed to fighting dogs.....sick sick sick.....
Who knew you had to lock up your dogs from thieving scum??
Here's to hoping that isn't where yours went...
My garage is residential and I really haven't thought much about security...but now I really am paranoid after reading this!!!!
Hi,
I believe there is dog fighting around here, but you don't hear of it.
We have rang the animal shelter each week, but nothing their. It's hard to have a viscous dog over here as they will take you to court if it bites someone and put the dog down. Our staffy got out and ran up to 2 German shepherds getting walked to play with them. The lady made a complaint, and he is now down as a dangerous dog and after 3 strikes he gets put down from the authorities.
He wouldn't hurt a fly, OK he has got a few chooks from next door that wander in our yard, LOL But the neighbor did say he can have what ever chooks stray over their, as long as he doesn't come in his yard getting them.
Any dog with (Bull) in the name is looked down at over here as be savage. We used to bread English bull terriers and I could understand if they where stolen as they where big money.
Dave
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I have not followed this thread very well and this may have been mentioned previously. I have a friend that lives in a rural area. He has several out buildings containing tools and machinery. He always leaves a radio playing 24/7 in each of the buildings so one would not know if it was actually unoccupied. He has not had a break-in in over 30 years. Is it because of the radio? Can't say for sure but it may have helped.
BTW He is not exactly in a high rent neighborhood. While he is rural the county population is mostly lower middle class.
Joe
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He always leaves a radio playing 24/7 in each of the buildings so one would not know if it was actually unoccupied
I do the radio thing in my workshop, even though it is attached to the house.
I have occasionally considered a quiet, low-speed gearbox and cam arrangement that would pseudo-randomly cycle a hammer to clunk a few taps, then later lift a wrench on a string and allow it to fall to the floor, cycle a motor on for a bit, then off, some random workshop noises, etc..... Make the place sound lived in by a nocturnal mechanical fiend.
edit to add: randomly pass a flag between a lamp and the window shade to give the impression of motion.
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Better still Wes is to make a tape recording when you are working and leave it on playback.
Perhaps connected to a motion sensor ?
John S.
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When I looking up the security systems on ebay, I saw Cd's getting sold that had voices of blokes talking, you could either buy ones with 2 voices talking about random stuff or 4 voices. I have just spend 20 minutes looking for them but I can't find them again. :doh: :doh: :doh:
From memory they where around $40 each which I though was expensive, but they might be onto a good thing.
If I do happen to find them again, I will post them up here.
Dave
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Dave try Ebay in the caravan section. See them there often
Pete
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Thanks that got it, now I remember it was aimed at caravans as well.
Here it is
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HERE24-7-THEFT-CD3-SMARTEST-CARAVAN-ACCESSORIES-/180650377019?pt=Caravan_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2a0f99ff3b
There where other ones in the Us I am pretty sure as well.
Dave
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Wow, after feeling crappy that my shop was in the basement, and I wouldn't be able to get something as big as a BP down there; I feel better now. The house is built with security draw-down doors over all windows and the garden door and the front door is a re-enforced security door. There is a security system for when we aren't there, and a four-legged security system to add personal protection for us when we are home.
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We have a "Female" German Shepherd and cctv. Stepped up security over the last couple of years due to incidents, glad we did as things don't seem to be improving with the economic downturn.
Joules
p.s
best bet is not to advertise what you have, keep doors shut if visible from road etc.
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best bet is not to advertise what you have, keep doors shut if visible from road etc.
The only time my shop was broken into was a few weeks after I had a garage sale there.
I think the no-goods across the street figured out it was worth a return shopping trip. Cleaned me out.
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I forgot to mention the Beware of Dog signs. Sometimes that's enough to make them move on.
I heard the story of one guy whose dog caught a thief. He had an enlarged copy of the newspaper article made, laminated it, and put it on a signpost out front. His place was never broken into again.
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Interresting Thread.
When my two sons were home (the youngest is 29) We had a Hawk Block (Hawk being a tommyhawk) that we would throw at as well as knives we threw at it too. We also would fence with proper fencing sword and equipment and we done these things in the front yard of our home. I was in a local town (17 miles away) and heard some people talking and one said, "stay away from them, they are crazy" Well as I evesdropped a little more, they were talking about us. Interesting, but I still have the reputation of being crazy and also the rep for setting traps (wihich I Do NOT do) but it helps keep unwanted people away.
I also have a 120 pound German Shepherd dog which helps.
I think the wisest thing I ever saw though was a man who would put his 3 dogs in his shop at night. If anyone ever tried to break in, the dogs made a lot of noise and of course the thugs do not want to be bitten so they leave. This was in a bad part of Phoeniz AZ and he never had a break in. These dogs were not pets, but security. They stayed in a kennel during the time thre shope was open.
Point of the story, you do not need a dog that will harm, just one that will make noise. People are inherently afraid of dogs.
Good Luck with your problems.
Pappy Frank
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That was good to hear Frank,
we have a pair of fencing foils on the wall here. I hadn't thought about using them in the front garden. Think I will put on my mankini and fence with a few bushes :bugeye:
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lolz - all my budz are emigrating because of our high crime rate!! I should show them this thread.
I've never had anything stolen from any of my properties - except for some underpants but the thief left my Levi's, my wife suspect it's one of my old girlfriends, and on another occasion a pair of safety boots.
My 2 dogs - they've got hearts of gold but they do scare off would be intruders.