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The Breakroom => The Water Cooler => Topic started by: ksor on July 17, 2012, 11:11:54 PM
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and now the log on process is looping - wants to reset your password all the time !!!!!!! :bang:
Do you have same problems ?
WHY change something that works well - I simply don't get it ! :bang: :bang: :bang:
And now it starts a avalanche of problems :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:
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no looping. you will notice when you get your email the option to login is there so just enter the password sent to you and your login name and all goes well.
Having said that I'm not sure if I like the new style but then I guess its change that keeps the world going :Doh:
Pete
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NO ... I had to do the processwith reseting password 5-6 times before this _BEEP_ stops !
The avalanche is now rolling ... changes JUST for the changes ... completely non sense :doh:
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I don't think it was "changes just for changes". They needed a new server. It takes a few days to get those things straightened out, sometimes.
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I'm still waiting for the e-mail so can't change my password
Site was sold thats why the change.
J
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I to am waiting waiting for the dammed elusive email
looks like I will have to re register with a new nick and email address
it they have to change then put in the inferstructure to do it correctly
rant off
Stuart
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Same here, decided can't be arsed and deleted the link from favorites.
this is a far better site.
John S.
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there's nothing I can say at this point, except brace yourselves
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Tel
You have got that right :doh:
Cheers :beer:
Don
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Errrr... what are you lot on about .... :scratch: :scratch:
Looks just the same to me ...
Oh Gawd ... Don't tell me ...I ain't woke up on the wrong planet AGAIN ...
BC
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Looks exactly the same to me too..... which would suggest a roll-out of new SW that went horribly wrong... UK readers can compare this to the recent NatWest fiasco....
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Email?
Ah, yes!
Been waiting some three hours now......... :bang:
David D
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I've been waiting so long ...
It was "Canada", was it not ?
Marcello
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I've been waiting so long ...
It was "Canada", was it not ?
Marcello
It was when I answered.
Around 5 times.......... :bang:
David D
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I put Russia then i tried north pole did I get it wrong :)
like the rest I am still waiting
I have posted on the site with a new name and the posts go un answered if you try to email the mods ect it errors out that their mail boxes are full not all of them
ahh well this site still works :mmr:
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Started to get the e-mails about 3 hrs after the event but when I click the link in the e-mail it takes me back to HMEM and says the address I provided is invalid :doh:
I did e-mail them via the "contact" at the bottom of the homepage and noticed that one of the options for your queries was regarding paid membership, is this the sign of things to come that Tel was hinting at????
J
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"Mexico" does not work, either. :scratch:
Probably only moderators (if all of them) and new users have access to the site.
New memberships are automatically approved, but not many have chosen that way.
I for one will wait till the problem is sorted out, that won't take long.
Marcello
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It wouldn't work when I tried it a couple of times, I used the old username and password up the sign in it took me to another page. I filled in the boxes, and it accepted the answer. And said they will mail the new password. I do read some stuff on occasion, and have posted a time or two. It will be too bad if it becomes a pay to play site. I wonder who or what bought it, and their angle other than ads, ads, ads! :scratch:
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I have just signed in and then out again with my existing username/password ... :scratch:
Just like the past 3 years ..
No alternative screens, no questions, no e-mailey bits, no nowt ....
BC
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here http://www.homemodelenginemachinist.com/ (http://www.homemodelenginemachinist.com/) ?
Marcello
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This is who bought it
http://www.groupbuilder.com/about/
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here http://www.homemodelenginemachinist.com/ (http://www.homemodelenginemachinist.com/) ?
Marcello
Yes, that's the one.
Logged in/out OK from the link you posted.
No problem.
Dave BC
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here http://www.homemodelenginemachinist.com/ (http://www.homemodelenginemachinist.com/) ?
Marcello
Yes, that's the one.
Logged in/out OK from the link you posted.
No problem.
Dave BC
Didn't work here, I went to one of there other hobby sites. Adds ads ads every where, seem to be embedded in the content so the to view content you have to approve pop ups and the every where Google ads and all the tracking crap.
This statement However, through the development of our propriety content management system
may mean you post you no longer own the content! The new rules and privacy statements, my be interesting reading.
I thought that the former owners swore the he wouldn't sell the forum or sell out the forum, in posting when the question came up before.
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The answer to that Glen, is this:
6.2. By posting content on the Websites, you also grant, and warrant that you have the authority to grant, the Company a perpetual, royalty-free, non-exclusive worldwide right and license to display, reproduce, adapt, modify, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform, play, make available to the public, use, and exercise all copyright and publicity rights with respect to any and all content that you post on the Websites. If you do not wish to grant Group Builder these rights, do not submit content to the Website.
Eric
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so you are basically signing your work away!!
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I can't log in there either. Hopefully things will get sorted out before too long. The old server DID suck...
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here http://www.homemodelenginemachinist.com/ (http://www.homemodelenginemachinist.com/) ?
Marcello
Yes, that's the one.
Logged in/out OK from the link you posted.
No problem.
Dave BC
Worldwide DNS has not updated to the new server location. The old SMF board is up and running at the old IP. The new board is running at a new physical location with a new IP.
if you ping homemodelenginemachinist.com, what IP do you get? I get 216.166.0.68
Eric
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bring back the old server at least you could log on and all the info uploaded by the members was intact as well as the members rites
the software must be in a right old mess you get a email to reset your pass word but you are then informed that is not valid :doh:
I can see that site folding unless some one takes hold of by the scruff of the neck and sorts it PDQ
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Eric
you should be so lucky
I get this
"Ping has started…
PING www.homemodelenginemachinist.com (216.166.0.68): 56 data bytes
Request timeout for icmp_seq 0
Request timeout for icmp_seq 1
Request timeout for icmp_seq 2
Request timeout for icmp_seq 3
Request timeout for icmp_seq 4
Request timeout for icmp_seq 5
Request timeout for icmp_seq 6
Request timeout for icmp_seq 7
Request timeout for icmp_seq 8
--- www.homemodelenginemachinist.com ping statistics ---
10 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100.0% packet loss
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thats with the www. its the same without
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here http://www.homemodelenginemachinist.com/ (http://www.homemodelenginemachinist.com/) ?
Marcello
Yes, that's the one.
Logged in/out OK from the link you posted.
No problem.
Dave BC
Worldwide DNS has not updated to the new server location. The old SMF board is up and running at the old IP. The new board is running at a new physical location with a new IP.
if you ping homemodelenginemachinist.com, what IP do you get? I get 216.166.0.68
Eric
This one Eric ...
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I get the same... timed out ping. Some sites do not allow themselves to reply to a ping. More concerned with the IP. So you are getting the correct IP at least.
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Yup BC... your DNS has yet to update. That is the old server. If you enter 216.166.0.68 in your browser for the URL, you will get taken to the new site....
Eric
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Err ... dogs breakfast of first ping, managed to get it right second time ...
Updated previous post.
Dave
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:ddb: That's still the incorrect IP for the new server. You might need to flush your DNS on your local computer
ipconfig /flushdns
Eric
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If I enter 216.166.0.68 in my browser I get an Airsoft website. Not my cup of tea, so to speak. Oh well, another good form down the tubes...
Been 2 1/2 hours since I requested my new password, no response yet.
Chuck
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same here chuck
I to get the airsoft site
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Same Airsoft forum for me, too. Time for me to switch to another hobby ? :bang:
I'm starting to get responses for my new password request(s), each one leading to nowhere. Maybe only the last one will be valid ?
(I've lost count of my repeated requests).
Marcello
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Hi
This is my second try replying to this thread. I am still in the dark as well.
Not a happy camper.
Don
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No password reset email either after a while.
Wish all of us HMEM'ers were told what happened :( After Rick/company swore up/down to not sell out, then this happened ???
Gouprbuilder ..... I like the vBulletin forum software, as I've used it on a few other web sites. But gotta wonder why they are using an old version (3.8.7) when V4.x+ has been out for a good year or more.
Time will tell. If this change is what the future holds, I think you'll see a LOT of HMEM'ers bailing for greener, more friendlier pastures.
My $0.02.
Mike
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Well, here is a golden opportunity to start another forum "Building Model Engines" :thumbup:
:beer:
DaveH
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I finally got onto the site by creating another e-mail address with my ISP and registering as chucketn2
I read the angry posts of those who have gotten on, and typed up a reply expressing my angst. Gues what? My reply failed to post!
In a nutshell, I said I had turned off advertising in my profile, and didn't like the idea of anything I posted or uplosded becomming the copyrighed property of the new owners. I am going now to reorganize my photobucket files to remove the links untill the fog clears. Don't look good from here!
Chuck
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If I enter 216.166.0.68 in my browser I get an Airsoft website. Not my cup of tea, so to speak. Oh well, another good form down the tubes...
Been 2 1/2 hours since I requested my new password, no response yet.
Chuck
Apparently it isn't a dedicated server then. Well dedicated to HMEM anyway.
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finally got the reset email and the site accepted it this time then we will email your new password ,still waiting
I think i will try again tomorrow if still NBG I will adopt John Stevensons action delete the book mark
Stuart
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The site has been bought by a "media company" That means they want to sell advertising. They get paid for every ad displayed, and more for every 'click-through' when someone clicks an ad. Their web site talks about
However, through the development of our propriety content management system we have successfully been able to give our users the tools to further develop outside the forum.
I think this means they mine info from the forums to create other media they can load with ads or sell. Note the downloads section is missing- thats the first 'mine' of info. Watch for a pay-per-load section soon.
I am out of there. I will not support them by viewing their ads. They clearly have no interest in model engineering- just in selling ads.
I guess that raises the question of who owns this site. Wonder if they will sell out?
It really annoys me to see the internet go to just another advertising medium, but that seems to be the way its going.
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I guess that raises the question of who owns this site. Wonder if they will sell out?
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That would be me. Sellout? Only if I can retire off the money :lol: Seriously, no-one in their right mind would pay me what I would require to sell.
I view it as selling off my shop & tools. And that is not happening.
Eric
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I am not trolling for members, but I felt compelled to open membership today.
See note here:
http://www.classicsteamengineering.com/index.php?topic=535.msg3372;topicseen#msg3372
As far as I am concerned, we can start a new modeling section and just continue what was done on the old forum, same mods, same people, same topics, etc.
I can set that up overnight if there is an interest.
You guys would have to mod it, I would not have time, but I can accomodate to some extent, maybe not 10,000.
Pat J
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I am not trolling for members, but I felt compelled to open membership today.
See note here:
http://www.classicsteamengineering.com/index.php?topic=535.msg3372;topicseen#msg3372
As far as I am concerned, we can start a new modeling section and just continue what was done on the old forum, same mods, same people, same topics, etc.
I can set that up overnight if there is an interest.
You guys would have to mod it, I would not have time, but I can accomodate to some extent, maybe not 10,000.
Pat J
You would be better off posting that over there, we have different mods than HMEM (except myself and Don) and already have a project section (and a model engineering section). That is, IF, you really want to do this. Running a board is more work than many think it is... which I am sure you know. Moderating it is one thing, but you have to give some admin privileges if you don't have the time yourself.
Eric
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Well got a reply back from their helpdesk telling me that I need to reset my password which I already knew but they did say if that did not work they will reset it manually which I have asked them to do.
So I suggest anyone with problems resetting clicks the "contact" at the bottom of the HMEM homepage.
J
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I am comfortable with a forum with a very narrow scope, and 100 members, but if the HMEM crowd are being put out, then I will do what I can to accomodate them.
I would have to get the HMEM mods to run the HMEM-type section, and of course, they would have admin privledges.
The success of it would depend on them, not me, I would just give them the space, since I am set up already.
Pat J
Edit: I don't think this post would last too long if placed on HMEM.
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Well got a reply back from their helpdesk telling me that I need to reset my password which I already knew but they did say if that did not work they will reset it manually which I have asked them to do.
So I suggest anyone with problems resetting clicks the "contact" at the bottom of the HMEM homepage.
J
Jason
But first you have to get to the home page before you can do that. :lol: :lol:
Good Luck
Don
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I am comfortable with a forum with a very narrow scope, and 100 members, but if the HMEM crowd are being put out, then I will do what I can to accomodate them.
I would have to get the HMEM mods to run the HMEM-type section, and of course, they would have admin privledges.
The success of it would depend on them, not me, I would just given them the space, since I am set up already.
Pat J
Edit: I don't think this post would last too long if placed on HMEM.
Pat...
Understandable and kind of heart to give them a place to go. In the thread already of at HMEM someone is kicking the tires of starting a new forum as well. I have a feeling quite a few will pop up to try to fill any void that happens.
Of course, they are welcome here as well (many are already members). I have the resources and staff already. I have sections already setup. While we are not an 'engine" specific board, we are a project based board... it all connects.
I wouldn't worry too much about where (and if) many will go.
Eric
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I`d be slightly pee`d off or concerned if I was one of those members that have posted great writeups with fantastic pictures. A few that are also members on here spring to mind! Does this mean they can pull off the text and pictures and sell them. Expecially those who have released their own plans and posted them on there! - does this mean they now have the right to pull off the plans and sell them?
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The answer to that Glen, is this:
6.2. By posting content on the Websites, you also grant, and warrant that you have the authority to grant, the Company a perpetual, royalty-free, non-exclusive worldwide right and license to display, reproduce, adapt, modify, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform, play, make available to the public, use, and exercise all copyright and publicity rights with respect to any and all content that you post on the Websites. If you do not wish to grant Group Builder these rights, do not submit content to the Website.
Eric
In which case all send in links to warez software and pirate bay.
They now take control of all these illegal posts :lol:
Thanks for the heads up. I did manage to get signed in and password changed but sorry these rules are not for me.
Link is now deleted and I won't be going back there.
John S.
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Not happy with this change i'm out of their,
I didn't post my build logs for some one to take comercial advantages.
Stew
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Stew and John
We will be happy to have your posts on MadModder. I am sure that the people that used to read them on HMEM will still find them here.
Cheers :beer:
Don
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Thanks Don, it would be nice if it all moved under one roof instead of 2-3-4 or so splinter forums getting started and just dilute the mix.
What was actually sold anyway ? the site, the members list, previous posts and build logs ?
Anyone want to buy www.homeworkshop.org.uk ? :wave:
John S.
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Anyone want to buy www.homeworkshop.org.uk ? :wave:
John S.
I will give you two packets of hobnobs for it John :coffee:
Rob
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I have no idea what was actually sold other than the domain name and old forum's database. How that all works legally, I have no idea. It doesn't seem possible that they can apply the TOS to posts made before it came into place.
All are welcome here. If we need separate topics for more things (or at least better descriptors) let me know.
Eric
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John
Check your PM's
Don
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Until the IP situation is sorted, my pictures won't be available in my old HMEM threads (anybody can drop me a line and I'll direct them to them). I wouldn't put them out there if I didn't want to share them, but I also don't want to give somebody else 100% rights to them. :doh:
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too right Shred.
Most of my posts are out there and as far as I'm concerned in the public domain as most of them are replies to help posts.
However if i had done a large build log I's bee a bit pi$$ed if someone took control over it, watermarks or not.
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John - I never knew you were homeworkshop !!!
Many many karma points directed to you!!! - that site is amazing, I`ve bought and sold a lot of stuff on there. :beer:
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A sad state of affairs. I've resigned from HMEM as a Moderator. My life has been very busy anyway, and I've seen enough
Glad to be here Eric....
Dave
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Sir John , Earl of Bridgeport & Sudspumpwater. MBE [ Motor Bike Engineer ] Nottingham England.
I didn't know you were a member of the nobility John
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Nice one
Stew
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Hi
It is a real shame this has happend
I did not post that much on HMEM but i was a frequent visitor
Rest assured you will recive fair play on this forum
John
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If they don't remove my drawings, I am going to talk to a lawyer.
I specifically state on all my drawings "not for commercial use".
HMEM is now selling "Premium Membership", and advertising.
HMEM is now officially a "for profit" commercial site.
I set up CSEE, and I know how to do it, and would be glad to show anyone else how to do the same.
I would be glad to help any former HMEM'ers do their own thing, regardless of how you feel about me (I guess we all have likers and haters).
I know how to set up a forum though, I can help.
I can have you up and running on a new site tomorrow, and the new site does not have to be related to me in any way.
Been there, done that, can do it again if you guys want to do your own thing.
Let me know.
It is not fair what HMEM did.
Pat J
Edit:
CSEE costs me about $150.00/year to operate.
A large group could easily absorb 10 times that amount.
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I made my resignation public
Done!
Dave
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John - I never knew you were homeworkshop !!!
Many many karma points directed to you!!! - that site is amazing, I`ve bought and sold a lot of stuff on there. :beer:
Yes been running it since Jan 2005, small son came on board in 2009 when we had to move to larger servers due to the bandwidth. Best bit is the whole site if free to anyone buying or selling, no fees and limited adverts which barely covers the costs.
Only run as a service to the community.
Pat J.
Starting new forums up ad hoc will only dilute the user base. Though needs to go into this so as not to just finish up with splinter groups.
It would be nice if this forum could accommodate the influx as many are members of both.
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It would be nice if this forum could accommodate the influx as many are members of both.
Only run as a service to the community.
We can. We have the bandwidth to support it.
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At this point, the issue is a matter of trust.
Not that I don't trust Eric, but if I were the former HMEM mods, I would get together as a group, and start a new forum, and make sure that everyone understands that it cannot be sold or made commercial, and publicly state that in the new forum intro.
Then the old HMEM guys can rest assured that this doesn't happen to them again.
I have a lot of drawings in there, and I spent a ton of time on them.
Now someone else is making a profit from that, and I get nothing.
Not a good situation, and I won't be taking it sitting down either.
Pat J
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At this point, the issue is a matter of trust.
Not that I don't trust Eric, but if I were the former HMEM mods, I would get together as a group, and start a new forum, and make sure that everyone understands that it cannot be sold or made commercial, and publicly state that in the new forum intro.
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You realize I am a mod at HMEM? Dsquire is a mod here and HMEM as well? I am in constant contact with the current and former mods?
Eric
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Eric-
I realize many are members/mods of both sites.
I know Rick, I don't have a problem repeating any of this to him personally, or to anyone else.
What he has done is not fair or right, and some will stay with a commercialized HMEM, and will always be suspect as to whether they sold out, and some will not sell out, and will go elsewhere, or start their own forum.
Feel free to repeat any and all of my posts anywhere to anyone.
I have no problem with that.
I do have a problem with what has happened on HMEM.
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Wow, folks need to take a chill pill or 2! Let the change ride for a while. I fore one, if I don't like what I see in a week or a month will disapear like last months wages. I hate winers!
Chuck
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What an interesting day. Pivotal might be one word to describe it. :zap:
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Pat. You misunderstood what I am saying. I sent you a PM clarifying.
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What an interesting day. Pivotal might be one word to describe it. :zap:
Old Chinese curse: May you live in interesting times!
I'm guessing that HMEM lost at least half of its best and most prolific contributors today. Way to go, Rick.
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"Mexico" does not work, either. :scratch:
Probably only moderators (if all of them) and new users have access to the site.
New memberships are automatically approved, but not many have chosen that way.
I for one will wait till the problem is sorted out, that won't take long.
Marcello
Well I'm a mod and I can't access either site now - talk about crappy treatment
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Guys welcome over and i hope somebody can either clarify or correct me. Unless the forum has warned you up front that any content published on the site will or possibly be used for sale purpose in their terms and conditions? then they can not do it. You are in your rights to ask them to remove it or ask your permission first. You had to join the site to share your information and they have a responsibility in accepting that will look after your data. Just because your writings are made public does not give them the right to own it unless you are told up front?
I would suggest that all involved email asking for you posts to be removed. If you get no reply or the wrong answer then follow up with a complaint to the ISP of their behaviour.
Have a look here at another's take http://www.forumdr.com/who-owns-forum-posts/67/
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Guys welcome over and i hope somebody can either clarify or correct me. Unless the forum has warned you up front that any content published on the site will or possibly be used for sale purpose in their terms and conditions? then they can not do it. You are in your rights to ask them to remove it or ask your permission first. You had to join the site to share your information and they have a responsibility in accepting that will look after your data. Just because your writings are made public does not give them the right to own it unless you are told up front?
I would suggest that all involved email asking for you posts to be removed. If you get no reply or the wrong answer then follow up with a complaint to the ISP of their behaviour.
Have a look here at another's take http://www.forumdr.com/who-owns-forum-posts/67/
This, in part, just in from Pat J
Tel-
I have been permanently banned from HMEM.
I threatened legal action if they did not remove my drawings from the site.
Since I specifically state on all my drawings "Not for Commercial Use", I expected to at least get an answer from the new owners.
Instead I got this:
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You have been banned for the following reason:
If there is copyrighted worked please send the offenses to: Copyright Agent - Group Builder, Inc. PO Box 911 San Marcos, Texas 78667
Date the ban will be lifted: Never
It just isn't right.
I know it is just modeling, but I have a lot of time in my drawings, and I'll be damned if someone uses them commercially.
My panties are all in a wad.
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I just read their T&C's and section 6 through 6.3, there is no mention that they will will solicit your intellectual rights for money (i.e charge a membership fee to see it). The internet is a wonderful thing as it keeps a lot of the old pages and you dont even know it :-)
http://web.archive.org/web/20101226224132/http://www.homemodelenginemachinist.com/index.php?action=register
Here is the original T&C's you would have joined under. I would look closely at paragraph 2 and remind them of the obligation you signed up to :-)
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Pivotal!
I like that Trout, a good descriptive word!!
Luckily we all have this place to terrorize now!!! :headband:
It is a pity what happened to HMEM, but there is nothing we can do about it except complain.
And we all know that will get us nowhere...
I loved that place and was online all the time and checking it every hour or so, sometimes more...
Sad to lose so many great people all congregated in one place.
I am sure we will all meet up in the various forums in time! :beer:
Andrew
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I loved that place and was online all the time and checking it every hour or so, sometimes more...
Sad to lose so many great people all congregated in one place.
Couldn't agree more
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Hey Eric!
Mind if I hang out over here again?
Well, the move is done. I feel like I just put down my dog.
Would have been nice if they gave us a little notice what day it was going to happen.
I'll give them another day or two then lock the door on the old place. Damn shame to have to throw a sheet over it.
Kevin
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Kevin
You certainly are welcome here Kevin and we look forward to your participation.
There are a lot of us still in shock over what transpired between the afternoon of July the 12th and today. I know the feeling Kevin. When I first found out the news I had that empty hollow feeling in my stomach. It still isn't much better.
Cheers :beer:
Don
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Hey Eric!
Mind if I hang out over here again?
Well, the move is done. I feel like I just put down my dog.
Would have been nice if they gave us a little notice what day it was going to happen.
I'll give them another day or two then lock the door on the old place. Damn shame to have to throw a sheet over it.
Kevin
I don't mind at all Kevin. More than welcome to hang out here!
Eric
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Finally got on and it says I can edit my posts buit there doesn;'t currently seem to be a button for delete or editing posts. Did they turn them off?
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Thanks Guys!
There are a lot of us still in shock over what transpired between the afternoon of July the 12th and today.
Yeah, it's been a whirlwind. I about fell out of my chair when Rick told me. But I knew he would need help with the techy stuff.
I certainly understand why he sold it. It was starting to drag me down, too. But that doesn't mean I have to like it, and I don't.
I don't think he was really looking to sell it. But the offer came along and he jumped. Probably too quick without thinking. I think to him, he was just getting rid of what had become an albatross.
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I've been a member here for some time, and I'm sure glad to have a place where my old friends can congregate as usual.
It sucks what just happened at HMEM! I did a lot of work on the posts and builds I did there and so did many others, just
to get sold out. Hard to believe someone could just auction us all off like cattle.
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Hey Dean! Good to see you again!
I haven't been around here much the past couple years, but then I didn't do much lately on HMEM either, except try to keep the place from falling completely apart.
Been much too busy with the job that puts food in the freezer.
I've got a lot of catching up to do, see what you've been up to.
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Guys welcome over and i hope somebody can either clarify or correct me. Unless the forum has warned you up front that any content published on the site will or possibly be used for sale purpose in their terms and conditions? then they can not do it. You are in your rights to ask them to remove it or ask your permission first. You had to join the site to share your information and they have a responsibility in accepting that will look after your data. Just because your writings are made public does not give them the right to own it unless you are told up front?
I would suggest that all involved email asking for you posts to be removed. If you get no reply or the wrong answer then follow up with a complaint to the ISP of their behaviour.
Have a look here at another's take http://www.forumdr.com/who-owns-forum-posts/67/
This, in part, just in from Pat J
Tel-
I have been permanently banned from HMEM.
I threatened legal action if they did not remove my drawings from the site.
Since I specifically state on all my drawings "Not for Commercial Use", I expected to at least get an answer from the new owners.
Instead I got this:
1.
You have been banned for the following reason:
If there is copyrighted worked please send the offenses to: Copyright Agent - Group Builder, Inc. PO Box 911 San Marcos, Texas 78667
Date the ban will be lifted: Never
It just isn't right.
I know it is just modeling, but I have a lot of time in my drawings, and I'll be damned if someone uses them commercially.
My panties are all in a wad.
Tel-
I was hoping that the "panties" thing would stay just between you and I, but I guess it is sort of out on the street now.
Well, they are "manly panties", none of that sissy stuff don't you know.
Pat J
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I'm just blown away by what happened. But, it is what it is. Life is dynamic and so we move on.
I've been a lurker of MadModder and know that a bunch of HMEM* crew is already here. So, now I'm here.
-Bob
* Is this a new four letter word? :D
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90LX_Notch
Welcome to MadModder Bob. We are glad to see you here and look forward to your participation in the various forums.
I am a mod on here as well but don't let that scare you. :lol: :lol:
Cheers :beer:
Don
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I must say that I am extremely happy that I started my own forum when I did.
The stuff I left on HMEM is what I consider my warmup for the work I have posted on CSEE.
Granted CSEE has a very narrow scope, very few members, and very few posts, but at least when I read it, it is a topic which greatly interests me, and at least I will always know that my CSEE members will always own their stuff, and will always be able to do whatever they want with it, add to it, delete it, whatever, without ever having to worry about being sold out.
I guess you can be a big popular commercial site, or a little nothing of a site like CSEE.
I will take CSEE and its permenantly commercial-free format over anything.
I would close CSEE long before I ever consider selling it.
The CSEE work belongs to the CSEE people, I don't own it, I didn't create most of the posts on it.
I am just grateful I moved when I did, and grateful of the contributions from a number of people to CSEE.
Maybe Eric can accomodate some folks here.
I would hate to scatter such a great crowd.
Pat J
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I just found out it was sold when I logged on just now and looks like I will be spending more time here now.
just need to make sure we keep giving Brass the donations so we stay in front
Pete
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Eric
Requesting permission to come aboard , Sir. Seems although I'm not quite banned at HMEM, I've definitely been uninvited and noted as among the persona non grata. I watched several posts get deleted today and anything that annoyed Austin was promptly locked. Doesn't take much to see where the thing is going, so I voted with my feet. . From the looks of things, I'm obviously not the only refugee to make the same move. HMEM will likely survive, but at what level of contributor expertise remains to be seen. That it will be quite a bit lower than anticipated by Austin and company seems to be rapidly becoming fairly obvious. PatJ's ban was a real eye opener, considering all it required was a few clicks to do as he requested. :zap:
Steve
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Requesting permission to come aboard , ...
Sure... but really? You already have 322 posts... :wack:
:loco:
Eric
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Hey Cedge-
Long time no see.
I am still laughing about the turd in the punchbowl story.
Can we say "turd" on this forum?
(Sorry, I will try and control myself, its a full time job.)
Pat J
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Steve
I don't know if welcome aboard is appropriate but definitely welcome back. Its been a while but glad to see you back. How is that hotrod doing that you were playing with?
I'm looking forward to your participation again.
Cheers :beer:
Don
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I get a dintinct "Elvis has left the building" feel on the other site.
Rather errie.
Maybe it is just late.
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Tel-
I was hoping that the "panties" thing would stay just between you and I, but I guess it is sort of out on the street now.
Well, they are "manly panties", none of that sissy stuff don't you know.
Pat J
Sorry Pat - me 'copy and paste' finger slipped - honest! :wave:
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I am so angry at the asset stripping and fraud that the new owners are trying on I emailed the following to HMEM.
:bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang:
You insult me by saying I forgot my password when in fact you did.
You maintain my correspondence is yours to do as you wish!
Wrong under UK copyright law you do not have permission to publish any thing I own.
Therefore I give notice to Cease and Desist from publishing any and all my correspondence pictures plans and any other material containing my copyright.
As I publish under many names and aliases it is beholden on you to seek out and identify them.
Failing this notice I will take out proceedings in a civil court for damages and seek for your site to be removed.
And Yes I can and will.
Trev
P,s feel free to copy any part of the above for your own reaction.
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Finally got on and it says I can edit my posts buit there doesn;'t currently seem to be a button for delete or editing posts. Did they turn them off?
You done better than me then Glen, I can't access any of it any which way - looks like I'm on the outer.
Tel - moderator in exile.
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I found HMEM only recently, so I thought that it was all about my signing on. I haven't used my new password and I'm not going to. This intrusion into the rights of the individual and the freedom exchange information for other than financial gain is an outrage. It makes me very afraid of the spreading limitations and controls that are being imposed on us and the internet.
Making money, is one thing, invading the platforms on which free exchange has been possible is UN-thinkable. As financial gain, (nothing to do with earning one's living) encroaches, what can we do to preserves our individual right to communicate?
Regards, Matthew
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Me thinks that they are going to lose a lot of the older members ( those who have been ther a long time and have contributed their expertise and very comprehensive build logs ) for the benefit of the members not for them to be used for the owners gain
I have just emailed the owner about my feelings about the change of T&C and have ask for my personal detail be removed from their data base ( that is a legal request here in the UK ) not sure about the law where the site is now based
Stuart
ouch my dyslexia is bad today another 15 min marathon thank the Lord for grammar checkers and spell checkers
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Your knickers: Untwist them.
This looks like the kind of standard, off-the-shelf T&C that thousands of sites have. You ever read them? Who cares?
There are far better things to get wound up about that some inconsequential T&Cs on a forum.
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The T&C is only the tip of the iceberg Loply - the utter shambles that the 'change over' has created goes a lot deeper than that. And so will a lot of folk's resentments.
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Well i gave it a day to see if i felt any better about what has happened.
My usual morning routine involves getting to work at 6am and checking the forums quick before heading out to the lab.
First click has always been HMEM for the past 4 years or so...
Clicked the link and read a few posts and started typing a response to a guy asking for help in identifying castings he had bought.
Vague description, no location etc...
I guess i ranted for a bit and then read what i was going to post.
Decided it was best to delete it and move onto other pastures.
It is just not the same anymore... :(
Maybe in time i will feel different, who knows.
But for now i feel like i left for work and someone has changed the locks on my home....
Oh well, nothing to do!
Might be time for a bit of :proj:
Andrew
PS Tel, we still need to talk about that unknown casting i have that you were interested in!
PM me your address and i will ship it over for you to use as a paper weight! :beer:
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well it is nice to see some old familiar names on here, i have not been on in a long time so HI GUYS :wave:
i think this will be the site i check every day now :mmr:............not the other site i used to frequent.
i just hope eric can handle all this traffic (i know you can) :)
oh yeah what ever happened to derrin? :scratch:
chuck
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Shame about that other place. Seems sharp tools have been replaced by sharp elbows.
It's not for me but I'm sure I won't be missed. Big pity though ... sure I left a comfortable pair of shoes and my tea mug in there.
Ray
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The other site still has an "Elvis has left the building" feel to it today.
I noticed that Steve posted some of his thoughts.
The new owner is a Teflon man, he just deflects any criticism without addressing the root of the complaint, ie: Drawings that were clearly marked "Not for Commercial Use" are now possibly being used in violation of that agreement.
I posted a large amount of material over there on 2D CAD and 3D modeling tutorials, and I know for a fact that those items had a large number of "views". Certainly many others had topics with many more views.
It is not the posted topics that bother me so much as the detailed engine drawings I posted over there that I clearly marked "Not for Commercial Use".
I sent them a letter today formally requesting that my drawings be permanently removed from the site.
I think a Class Action Lawsuit may perhaps be in order here if I don't get a response from them soon, since this involves so many people who did not approve of the very significant changes to the use of their material.
Anyone interested in joining into a Class Action Lawsuit?
I am not going to let it go.
I have too much time involved in my drawings to let someone use them outside of the terms to which I allowed them to be used.
If I don't hear from them soon, I will be proceeding with litigation and requesting damages and legal fees.
Pat J
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Pat
Unfortunately it appears that you'll be jumping through a few hoops before you get to the point of filing suit. Look forward to being ignored, threatened and then showered with lots of useless communication before you have enough paper trail to interest a lawyer. The game is played assuming you'll give up, run out of money or screw up and make a dumb threat or libelous statement. You'll need some real tenacity and endurance. The largest problem will be proving loss, since you weren't marketing the drawings. You can do it, but it's not a cake walk. I'm not an attorney so do not misconstrue this information as legal advice. Consult legal counsel before deciding this route is one you wish to travel.
Steve
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Read up on filing a "DMCA Takedown Request". There is a defined process for that to cover this sort of thing.
Personally I don't mind somebody getting paid for their work (ie: Rick & co for making the site what it was, the guys paying for the server, etc), but it goes both ways. The new TOS says the new HMEM owners can now get paid for access to or could sell printed copies of my work or whatever, which I did not sign up for.
I'm sure somebody will fill the gap and the world won't end one way or the other, but there you go.
I will also note that as near as I can tell, the new HMEM owners are so interested in model engine machining that they've apparently never been to a meeting of the local metalworking club.
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Your knickers: Untwist them.
This looks like the kind of standard, off-the-shelf T&C that thousands of sites have. You ever read them? Who cares?
There are far better things to get wound up about that some inconsequential T&Cs on a forum.
The difference with Model Engineering forums is that people have posted their own plans and build logs, which lets face it, could easily be charged for! In fact, I`ve used peoples build logs to build engines and found them more useful than the plans I paid for!! Likewise people have have even gone further and posted plans which certainly could be sold!
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Thanks for the advice guys.
The way in which things were changed was particularly caulous, and then ignoring any requests for take down information showed the true colors of the new admin guy.
The mode of operation seems to be buy a site, muscle your way in, ban anyone who objects to anything you do, and just ride roughshod over anyone and everything.
In my opinion, it could not have been handled any worse, and will certainly become a case study about how NOT to hand over a forum.
The word "backstab" comes to mind.
Several other words come to mind also, none of which I will repeat here.
It was a unique forum with a very unique and talented group of individuals, and it appears to me that the things that made it so attractive, enjoyable and usable (features and individuals) have left the building.
Certainly a statement needs to be made by those who feel some injustice here.
I perhaps have 1000 hours in drawings on that site.
You can't buy drawings like that for any price anywhere, they were unique.
For those who simply used the site and enjoyed it, it will be no big deal.
For those who made the site what it was, it is a big deal.
I see it as a Chernobyl event due to the way it was handle and the manner in which the people who made that site what it is today were treated.
I feel there will be a toxic cloud of radioactivity for many years to come (about 1,000 years).
Pat J
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How do you delete your HMEM account guys?
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I requested that Rick remove all my drawings from his site the other day, and he said he would look into it, just before I got "permabanned" for insisting the the admin guy respond to my request to remove my drawings.
I am told today that my drawings are not showing up in the download section, so assuming they don't pop up again at some time in the future, then I consider the matter closed.
Maybe Rick did the right thing here.
I have always known him to be a very decent and helpful guy.
I have to guess that he did not completely understand what he stepped in.
I hope for the best for Rick, and as for the new admin guy, he will always be his own worst enemy.
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If as many people are leaving over there as it seems, it all goes back to my post over there about us being the "fringe". HMEM wasn't some small hobby/craft site of morons. You have to have something going on upstairs to be involved with this hobby. The new owner(s) failed to realize that they didn't purchase HOME MODEL SHEEP MACHINIST. The members don't follow the flock to begin with. We tend to march to our own drums.
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How do you delete your HMEM account guys?
Interesting question. I see no way at the present time to delete my account or edit any of the posts I made before the owner change.
I asked about the ability to edit posts to be able to maintain a thread, but so far no answer.
Dan
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HOME MODEL SHEEP MACHINIST.
A sheep machinist.... now there's a hilarious mental image (well, it is to me anyway, but then I hail from right next door to the Land of the Sheep). Baaaah!
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i asked that my account be removed and this is the reply i got.
Chuck,
I do not have the permissions to handle take down requests however I did close your account. Copyright issues need to be sent to our attorney here:
Copyright Agent - Group Builder, Inc.
so my account is closed and as far as copyright issues if they can make money off of my ramblings GOOD LUCK. :zap: i just don't like the way things were done
chuck
a former hmem guy
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I don't like the way the moderators were treated. Seems to me they put more of their time and effort into making HMEM what it was than most of us did and in the end it looks like they were treated like they didn't exist. Sorry, that is inexcusable.
-Trout
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Dennis-
You are 100% correct. The mods are what made HMEM what it was. All the B.S. that pollutes most other sites didn't exist there because of the dilegence of the mods.
-Bob
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Had a look at my emails today and - Behold! I have a password for HMEM!
So I logged in, had a look around, edited my password and tried to navigate around the site. That was not difficult, just different.
There were a number of threads I'd been following and most are still active, notwithstanding participation from members who have understandably fled.
When we joined HMEM (or Madmodders) we were politely asked to post an introduction, so I looked for Austin's. He clearly has no interest in engines or machining, but likes to run forums - "and recently was lucky enough to turn forums into a job."
I feel sure he will make more by learning to run forums properly. I personally have no idea what is involved in running a forum and I have no wish to do so. But HMEM under Rick's stewardship was a site of great integrity, that's why I joined. I'd been lurking for a while and had learned a great deal from it before joining.
I'll see how it goes, but I know it won't be the same. Rick is a hard act to follow.
Ray
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From the looks of it today, most of the long-time members have "bugged-out".
Nothing left but a wisp of dust in the air.
I hope they surface soon on a new commercial-free forum.
I am having withdrawl symptoms already.
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Whose still over there? If some of the "heavy hitters" (George, Steve, Brian, Chuck, etc.) are still there, the new site will slog along. Those guys are the "anchors". Their threads are the ones that everybody follows. I hope Keith posts his V8 somewhere else. I want to see it when he finishes it. Hopefully, those guys work their way over here.
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notch...
I'm only there to watch the chaos and observe as Austin discovers he's suddenly captain of a ghost ship. My threads are still there but useless. Interesting to see if he figures out there's not much profit to be made in an investment that can migrate overnight. I can't be blamed if maybe temptation overwhelms me and I poke the the new guy a few times with a pointy stick. Teflon doesn't stand up to abrasives for very long...(grin) BTW.. did anyone remember to grab the Elvis on velvet from the moderator area?
:Doh:
Steve
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BTW.. did anyone remember to grab the Elvis on velvet from the moderator area?
:Doh:
Steve
Yep, got it. And the stuffed moose head.
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Whose still over there? If some of the "heavy hitters" (George, Steve, Brian, Chuck, etc.) are still there, the new site will slog along. Those guys are the "anchors". Their threads are the ones that everybody follows. I hope Keith posts his V8 somewhere else. I want to see it when he finishes it. Hopefully, those guys work their way over here.
Bogs has started Model Engine Machinist...
http://www.modelenginemaker.com/index.php
A number of expat HMEM members are already assembled there. Wander over and join us.
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I don't like the way the moderators were treated. Seems to me they put more of their time and effort into making HMEM what it was than most of us did and in the end it looks like they were treated like they didn't exist. Sorry, that is inexcusable.
-Trout
Yeah, Trout, we're not feverishly happy about how we were treated. We were told a few days before that it would happen but details were withheld, purportedly because of a non-disclosure agreement that Rick has signed. However, we had no voice in the decision. Rick presented it to us as a fait accompli.
I'm not the only one who has a sour taste in his mouth.
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Cedge- I hope it's lots of chaos. :clap:
Marv- Thanks. Signing up now.
I will also be an active member here at MadModder. This has been a great refuge since the shipwreck.
-Bob
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I'm not the only one who has a sour taste in his mouth.
Is that why your tongue is sticking out ? :palm:
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I signed up for Model Engine Machinist.
I am not sure Bogs will let me in.
He is none too keen on me.
Pat J
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Marv, thanks for the link to the new MEM! Hope I get adopted! ; )
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I signed up for Model Engine Machinists a few minutes ago, am awaiting the e-mail that says "come aboard mate". :) :)
Ron
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I'm waiting for the second e-mail now.
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Whose still over there? If some of the "heavy hitters" (George, Steve, Brian, Chuck, etc.) are still there, the new site will slog along. Those guys are the "anchors". Their threads are the ones that everybody follows. I hope Keith posts his V8 somewhere else. I want to see it when he finishes it. Hopefully, those guys work their way over here.
Bogs has started Model Engine Machinist...
http://www.modelenginemaker.com/index.php
A number of expat HMEM members are already assembled there. Wander over and join us.
Marv
Thanks for the link. See you on the other side of the pond. :lol: :lol:
Cheers :beer:
Don
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Damn Pat... There are time Bogs isn't too keen on Bogs....LOL I'm not even sure he'll want me there, as much as I give him hell.
Steve
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If Bogs does not let me in, I will bribe him with model engine drawings and casting kits.
Every man has a price.
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You might want to try listing who HASN'T butted heads with Bogs at one time or another!
The list will be shorter :)
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Bogs is too much like me, that is what his problem is.
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I have been perma-banned from the old site.
That should be sufficient credentials to get into the new site.
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as we all know bogs is a great old sole who has so much to offer and he shares all his ideas so freely, i for one wish he lived closer so i could look over his shoulder and watch the master at work.
ok john did i lay it on thick enough :lol:.............thick enough to get some cool prize :ddb:
seriously we all know john is a great guy i know i didn't have to tell any of you guys that :beer:
chuck
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If John is starting a new forum for the old guys, he has my unconditional support.
Like John or not, at least you can trust what he will do with a forum.
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I'm guessing at this point he's the only admin. It's been over an hour since I received the first e-mail. The latest member over there has been SandCam for the same duration. I assume John went to bed. But that's okay. He stepped up and formed a new model engine building site. :thumbup: He deserves a good night's sleep for all the approvals he'll have to okay tomorrow. :med:
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there are 2 admin. on the new group john and one other person.
chuck
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I'll come over Marv...if you'll have me.
Trout....the way mods were treated ....shameful. I walked.
Dave
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Well I signed up for Bogs as well (no disrespect Eric) as I like the crowd that was HMEM. I was hopeless there but since just now deleting that forum signed up for Bog's site under this name. Guess I'm not that hopeless anymore :bugeye:. Having said that I like this site and has always been a goto for me usually right after the other one that is now dead to me :wack:
Pete
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Thanks Marv for the heads up on Bog's new site. I've signed up, for what little a noob can offer! HMEM was my "experience reservoir" and the atmosphere was always helpful and friendly. I hope we can all find a new tree to roost in.
Cheers Garry
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Well I signed up for Bogs as well (no disrespect Eric) as I like the crowd that was HMEM. I was hopeless there but since just now deleting that forum signed up for Bog's site under this name. Guess I'm not that hopeless anymore :bugeye:. Having said that I like this site and has always been a goto for me usually right after the other one that is now dead to me :wack:
Pete
No disrespect taken. We (madmodder) are not a dedicated model engine site. Yes, we have people building them and there is a section for them. We are a "makers" type of site. More project based for the person who wants to tinker, build and create.
Model engines? (http://madmodder.net/index.php?topic=6711.0) Check.
3D Printers? (http://madmodder.net/index.php?topic=7114.0) Check.
Modding Yo-Yos? (http://madmodder.net/index.php?topic=4402.0) Check. (yes, I said Yo-Yos)
A V8 Dry Sump from Billet?!? (http://madmodder.net/index.php?topic=2726.0)(amazing and done on a manual mill)... yup. Got one of those.
Amazing 6x26 CNC conversion (http://madmodder.net/index.php?topic=6037.0) Yeah... that guy hangs out here too.
Once I get back on track, I have some projects to post up. Some robotics stuff, CNC, really cool LED projects...
MEM (http://www.modelenginemaker.com/) has the real possibility of becoming huge... and I hope it does. Just remember to check up on us now and again.
Eric
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Oooh, exciting to see modelenginemaker.com. I'll be there if Bogs lets me in!
Simon
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I am excited to see that talented group of people regrouping.
I wish I could say I have never witnessed such a heavy handed forced takeover as I saw the other day, with such onerous and just outright laughably absurd terms of service (in my opinion).
I was a member of "that other forum" (I refuse to dignify it with a name) for many years, but my interests changed, and as I accumulated a lot of material, I felt uncomfortable putting in a location that I had no control over.
So last year I started a new forum specifically taylored towards my interests (design and engineering).
I struggled with what my forum should be and who it should appeal to, and since then I have reached the conclusion that you can be a large and popular forum, or you can be a small and narrow focused forum. My choice has been to stay small, stay focused on a narrow topic, and let the other forums handle the multitudes. One important lesson I have learned is that it is folly to try and be all things to all people. You can't.
I am still a working stiff, and so I would not have time to keep up with a large forum, and would be unwilling to relinquish control of my forum since doing so could lead to a loss of control and the stampede we witnessed this week.
People have their own preferences, like hanging out in a favorite pub, and I have seen some come and go.
I am not worried about popularity or quantity of membership, but rather keeping focused and on topic, and posting quality technical information.
Differnet strokes for different folks I guess.
I hang out on this forum and others, and am a moderator on one other forum other than mine.
I am known to be a rather opinionated guy, and am not bashful about speaking my mind, so my short list of friends is extremely short.
But I support hobbies and non-commercial forums in general, and like the variety of people and interests.
I don't see it as a competition thing at all, but rather a collaborative effort of like minded individuals spanning multiple forums.
There are members here and members elsewhere who have been a great help to me, who have openly shared information and resources, and who continue to be a great help (I read topics across multiple forums daily), and I would not be where I am today in the hobby without help and guidance from those numerous people, so thanks to those individuals.
Whether I can contribute to the new forum without locking horns with anyone remains to be seen.
I support them in spirit at a minimum, and am proud of them standing up for what is right and just.
They deserve better treatment than they got.
Just my thoughts.
Pat J
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i asked that my account be removed and this is the reply i got.
Chuck,
I do not have the permissions to handle take down requests however I did close your account. Copyright issues need to be sent to our attorney here:
Copyright Agent - Group Builder, Inc.
so my account is closed and as far as copyright issues if they can make money off of my ramblings GOOD LUCK. :zap: i just don't like the way things were done
chuck
a former hmem guy
Chuck
I have requested that my accts at HMEM be closed as I am not OK with the new T&C they were not the ones I signed up to as a rider I also asked that all my personal details be removed from their data base ( as is the legal requirement of the data protection act here in the uk )
I got the exact same email as you not happy. It would now be clear why thy purchased the data base for the forum they are going to rape it for what they can get out of it inc the postings builds ect.
Stuart
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I don't like the way the moderators were treated. Seems to me they put more of their time and effort into making HMEM what it was than most of us did and in the end it looks like they were treated like they didn't exist. Sorry, that is inexcusable.
-Trout
You got that right Troutster - we ended up with the rough end of the pineapple
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For all the mod's from HMEM, don't worry as you will not be moderators long or the things you can do will need to have admin approval. As a money making operation can't afford to have a disgruntled member screwing up their investment!
Also they really don't care if you remove your content from the visible forum as they backed up the forum content before the change roll out. So they have all the content they bought.
They probably aren't to worried about the copyright thing or threats or suits, as they can be long and very expensive. Plus they can use the content while it is court.
I know from hard copy, copyright theft! unless you have deep pockets, are a lawyer that does only copyright, or like spending time waiting around for nothing to happen. Get on with your life.
I had a magic shop that bought 5 of my clown magic booklets, he took one and xeroxed it cover and my name etc. 3 different lawyers all said the same thing. Forget-a-bout it. There is a famous local case against Ford motor and the guy that invented the interment wipers it involved copyright and patent infringement. It went on so long the guy died, and never really got justice for his heirs. Since Ford has a gaggles of lawyers, they just have a junior one file motions.
In their case they will have a secretary do the paper work and the lawyer will sign it!
:bugeye:
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I would say that if you feel your copyright has been infringed, by all means consider a suit.
Simply charge the party guilty of infringement all of you legal fees, and damages for every day they use your material without your consent.
They can use your material without your consent, but it may cost them dearly in the end.
A very risky gamble in my opinion.
Sooner or later, they will run into people who will not tolerate such behavior and can and will do something about it.
I think they already have.
Pat J
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I would say that if you feel your copyright has been infringed, by all means consider a suit.
Simply charge the party guilty of infringement all of you legal fees, and damages for every day they use your material without your consent.
Pat J
Don't know what planet you are on. It doesn't work that way in the real world of publishing on this world as the suits can drag on for 25 years or better. and the only real winners are the lawyers. :doh:
And internet litigation is even worse since there is so little case law to back them up!
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If they had not removed my drawings, I would have taken whatever legal steps where required, no matter how much it cost, or if it took 100 years to resolve.
The planet I am on is that people don't use my copyrighted material without my permission, it is against the law in this country.
Pat J
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Soooo I am going to close this topic.
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Eric