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Gallery, Projects and General => Project Logs => Topic started by: scrapman on November 24, 2010, 05:36:12 PM
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Hi all, my name is Ray, i have just started to build the stuart 10v engine from castings for the first time ::) so i will post some photos of the progress, i would appreciate
your comments and advice here are some photos of where i am at the moment,
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/snapshot15/10v-9.jpg)
here i am tapping the threads in the boxbed after machining, the tapping stand i made myself.
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/snapshot15/10v-11-1.jpg)
and centre drilling the soleplate.
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/snapshot15/10V1.jpg)
here is the standard mounted in the 3jaw chuck
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/snapshot15/10V--3.jpg)
machining the feet of the standard
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/snapshot15/10V--5.jpg)
here i had to make a mounting plate because the sherline faceplate was to small
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/snapshot15/10V-6-1.jpg)
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/snapshot15/10V-8.jpg)
machining the standard hope i am doing this right your comments would be appreciated
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/snapshot15/10v--12.jpg)
drilling the feet of the standard.
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/snapshot15/10v--13.jpg)
This is as far as i have got your comments and advice would be appreciated, first time uploading photos some look a bit big, Ray
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Hi Ray
Nice job so far. I haven't built an engine from castings yet, so I don't have comments. However, I can say there are many ways to skin a cat...
Eric
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I love watching these builds as I learn so much
great work so far :thumbup:
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Nice work! You`ll soon have caught me up. OK must get back onto it....promised myself I`d have it built by Christmas.
Keep up the good work! Chris
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Nice work Ray, showing what can be done on a very small machine too.
I haven't built an engine from castings yet either but it's on the long list of projects.
Chris, I've done that again this year, promise myself I'll finish things by christmas but it just isn't happening at the moment!
Nick
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Thank you for the comment Nick.
Ray.
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Well i have done a bit more on the engine today,
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/snapshot15/10v-14.jpg)
Drilling the crankshaft bearings,
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/snapshot15/10v-15.jpg)
Turning the bearing,
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/snapshot15/10v-17.jpg)
drilling the bearing
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/snapshot15/10v-16.jpg)
checking the bearings for fit,
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/snapshot15/10v--18.jpg)
bearing fitted and tapped 1/8 x 40 for the oilers,
all comments and advice would be appreciated, Ray.
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Looking good, and taking shape nicely Ray! :clap: :thumbup:
David D
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Ray.... friend..... slow down... this is not a race!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Well done Ray, you had the lovely situation of being provided with one piece for the bearings. I had two little pieces so drilling them aligned was hard work. Once the cylinder and covers are done you`ll be where I`m up to. :doh:
...anyway... no time to type! :dremel:
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Made a start on the crank this evening,
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/snapshot15/10v-19.jpg)
Chris, Congratulations on passing the foundation course,
Thank you all for the comments , 73'S Ray MW0COE
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Cheers Ray. To be honest, passed both the foundation and intermediate but I have sadly no radio at present. Was planning on doing the full licence this Christmas but have lost a little interest. Too much to do on this 10V to be spending time on the radio lol.
Nice work on the crank.
Chris
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Hi all :wave:,Thank you David and Chris for your comments , i have done a little more on the 10v today , i started machining the cylinder, your advice and comments always welcome
and much appreciated,
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/snapshot15/cylinder-1.jpg)
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/snapshot15/cylinder-2.jpg)
Boring out the cylinder,
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/snapshot15/cylinder--3.jpg)
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/snapshot15/cylinder--4.jpg)
Machining the port face,
Next i will attempt the cylinder covers, any advice and comments will be appreciated :thumbup:.
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Hi Ray
Looking great ,, you sure are moving along :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
You sure do take a good photo ,,, :thumbup:
Rob
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Hi Rob :wave:, Thank you for the comment , photos taken with a canon compact,
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Looking good Ray. Did you finish the crank?
Eric
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Well Ray, once the cylinder covers are complete I`ll look forward to following you here on in! Keep up the good work and cracking photos!
Chris
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Coming along well Ray.
You'll have a real nice engine when its done :thumbup:
Stew
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Hi Eric, thank you for the comment i did finish the crank :thumbup:.
Thank you for the comment chris :wave:, i just orderd a 5/32 reamer when it turns up i'll
make a start on the covers,
Hi Stew :wave:, thank you for the comment,
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Hi Ray
Did you make the taping tool ?
Something i must get round to doing :proj:
Rob
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Hi Rob, Yes i did make the tapping tool, i also made a small folder, i will post a pic here :thumbup:
Ray,
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Very nice Ray :dremel: :clap:
I must get round to making one ::)
Rob
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Hi Ray, it's nice to see another casting based engine being built, you're looking very good so far. It looks like you're working to have it done before Christmas at the rate you're going, you should have a nice, well mannered engine very soon now, always another tool that must be bought before a project can be finished. Looking forward to seeing it together, very nice workmanship shown. :jaw: mad jack
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Hi Jack :wave: thank you for the comments.
Ray.
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I got a little bit more done today, i machined the top cover,
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/snapshot15/TOP-COVER-1.jpg)
machining the cast iron to make the top cover
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/snapshot15/TOP-COVER-2.jpg)
top cover fitted :ddb:,
Ray.
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looking good :clap: :thumbup:
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Thank you for the comment Shoey,
Ray.
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It's beginning to look like an engine now Ray! :thumbup:
David D
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ahhh if only i could be as good :)
reminds me I have a huge repair job i should start :(
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It's getting there David if i dont mess it up lol, thank you for the comment,
Hi, Shoey :wave:, This is almost the first engine for me first from castings anyway, i spend time reading and studying :coffee: before i move on to the next part, only built a twin oscillating marine engines and a few marine boilers awhile ago,
Ray.
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Got a little more done on the 10v cylinder,
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/snapshot15/10v-20.jpg)
Milling the ports,
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/snapshot15/10v-21.jpg)
Tapping the port 1/4x32,
Still waiting for the 5/32 reamer so i can make a start on the bottom cover,
Ray.
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Nice work scrapman... looking very good!
Chris
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Well i have done a little more on the 10v
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/snapshot15/bottom-cover--1.jpg)
machining the bottom cover
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/snapshot15/bottom-cover-fitted.jpg)
bottom cover fitted,
i think i will have a go at the steam chest next,
thank you for your comments, much apprecaited,
Ray.
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Your sure doing a fine job Ray :thumbup: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Rob
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You're making it look far too easy.
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Hi Rob and Rleete :wave:,
Thank your for your comments, It's sertainly a lerning curve for me lol.
Ray.
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Great Job Ray. :thumbup:
Just out of interest, what speed are you turning cast iron at? Usually people do it really slowly, by the look of your photos it's spinning fast - is that because the lathe hasn't got the torque for low speed? Anyway, whatever you're doing you're getting great results.
Nick
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Well Done that man :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Looking Good Ray
Stew
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Hi nick and stew :wave: thank you for your comments,
Nick, a few hundred rpm i seem to be getting away with it lol beginners luck Nick :thumbup:
Ray.
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That's probably about right actually, maybe a bit slower for the flywheel though. You're doing great, better than I could.
Nick
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Hi Ray, things are looking good :bugeye: I hope you take the time to fully enjoy turning cast iron, it is nice to turn, and make such nice and smooth cylinders so easy to hone and prep for pistons. Looks like you're doing a bang up job at getting this engine through to completion. I'm looking forward to seeing it steaming. :poke: mad jack
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Hi Madjack :wave: Thank you for the comment, Nice to turn but dirty as well lol,
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Hi All :wave:,
started on the conrod today, it was twisted and had a bend in it :bugeye: i straightend it out though,
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/snapshot15/conrod-1.jpg)
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/snapshot15/conrod-2.jpg)
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/snapshot15/conrod-3.jpg)
Not sure if i am going about it right lol,
Ray.
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Looks smashing Ray.
Just as a warning in advance for when machining the piston rod, which I guess you`ll be coming up to shortly - if your following the Pengwern books and metric plans, just be careful of the mistake:
(http://www.rootprompt.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/DSC00957-300x225.jpg)
The length of 1 13/32 is more like 35mm not the 45mm it quotes. I thought I was going mad and had done something wrong until I spotted the same concerns on another 10V build log. I`m sure it has caused a few issues over the years!
Keep it up, looking great!!
Chris
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Not sure if i am going about it right lol,
Ray.
Ray.
If you're not doing it right.... Yer fooling me! :scratch:
Looks very professional from where I'm standing.... :clap:
Keep on, keeping on..... :thumbup:
David D
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Hi Chris And David, thank you for the comments, much appreciated,
Chris, Thank you for pointing it out :thumbup:, i Have been working from the drawings that came with the casting in imperial,
Ray.
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Hi All :wave:, done a little more on the 10v today, i started on the steam chest,
a few photos on how far i have progressed so far,
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/snapshot15/machining-the-steam-chest-b.jpg)
Machining the steamchest,
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/snapshot15/centre-drilling-the-steam-c.jpg)
Centre drilling the steam chest for the mounting holes,
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/snapshot15/Drilling-the-steam-chest.jpg)
Drilling the steam chest mounting holes,
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/snapshot15/Steam-chest-fitted.jpg)
Well this is as far as i have got so far, I have ordered a 5BA die so i can finish the piston rod :coffee:,
Ray
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Looking good there!! I have been watching this build with interest (along with Chris's) if it wasnt for the price of castings I would love to have a go at building one, but there are too many other projects that are cheaper on my "to-do" list :proj:
But you are making it look very easy, I look forward to seeing the video of it working.
Tim
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Great work there scrap man, it's looking brilliant. Useful for anybody considering building one. Tim you're right, the castings are so expensive these days best part of 100 squid for a 10v or 10h inc delivery :bugeye:
Nick
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Great work there scrap man, it's looking brilliant. Useful for anybody considering building one. Tim you're right, the castings are so expensive these days best part of 100 squid for a 10v or 10h inc delivery :bugeye:
Nick
Buy two sets, make them both and then sell one. Should earn enough to pay for both sets plus paint etc.
Making two is only about 30% more effort than making one...
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Hi Tim , Nick, kwackers :wave:,
Thank you all for your comments, The castings are expensive more expensive if you make a mistake lol ::) ,
I like sterling engines i havent built one yet but i am going to have a go at one after i finish the 10v,
The little sherline has coped with the 10v build but i need a bigger lathe,
Ray.
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Ray, you are moving on nicely and making it look easy!
Regarding the price, just another thought - keep your eye on ebay and homeworkshop. I got mine for £50 and just the con rod had been machined, everything else was as new. Saved about £50! Like Kwackers sell, they sell for a fortune once built (not that I`ll be selling mine!!!!) and it would pay for them both if you built two and sold one.
Chris
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Hi Chris :wave:,Thank you for the comment and info chris i will keep my eye on ebay next time,
Ray.
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Hi all :wave:, i started on the eccentric strap and the eccentric sheave plus the steam chest valve rod gland,
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/snapshot15/eccentric-1.jpg)
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/snapshot15/eccentric-2.jpg)
Starting to machine the eccentric strap,
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/snapshot15/eccentric-3.jpg)
i will finish the eccentric strap tomorrow,
Ray.
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Evening Ray
Sure is going to be a fine engine :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:,,,looks like it will be up and running soon :dremel:
Will you be making a boiler to go with the engine ?
Rob
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Hi rob :wave:, thank you for the comment, I will make a boiler for it at some point Rob, i have made a few in the past it was the usual thing
play with them for awhile and then pass them on Wish i had kept one now ::),
Ray
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..damn, :jaw: you`ve just passed me!!
:beer: :clap:
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Ray, you are moving on nicely and making it look easy!
Regarding the price, just another thought - keep your eye on ebay and homeworkshop. I got mine for £50 and just the con rod had been machined, everything else was as new. Saved about £50! Like Kwackers sell, they sell for a fortune once built (not that I`ll be selling mine!!!!) and it would pay for them both if you built two and sold one.
Chris
There is a pair on ebay at the moment both from the same seller one part machined and one untouched
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Stuart-Turner-10V-Engine-Castings-/160515107970?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item255f722c82#ht_500wt_1156
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Yea, I had also been watching those.... notice in the picture that kit has a solid one piece casting for the crank?!
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..damn, :jaw: you`ve just passed me!!
:beer: :clap:
It's not a race Chris but get a move on :lol:
I've watched a few on ebay but they always seem to go for £70+ so I think, well it's not that much of a saving - suppose if it's brand spanking new any kind of saving is good though. Bet that un touched one goes for almost full price! I quite like the PM research 1BI - it's a bigger engine and works out about the same money with shipping etc I think. Maybe a bit more as you get stung for some sort of import duty.
http://www.lineymachine.com/product_info.php?currency=GBP&products_id=2852&osCsid=5acfc6f6aab7366c1404015e0a7ac0f5 (http://www.lineymachine.com/product_info.php?currency=GBP&products_id=2852&osCsid=5acfc6f6aab7366c1404015e0a7ac0f5)
Nick
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Join your local engineering club.
Most engineers (me included) are old duffers and hoarders. Natural wastage means in a typical club they drop off at the rate of a couple a year and have workshops that need disposing of - plus some just sell stuff because they realise they'll never get round to it.
I've picked up two sets of Stuart No 4 castings and a set of No 8 castings (which I've just completed) for £50 each.
I've also got a set of Stuart Major castings - which I'm saving for when "I'm good" and I missed out on a set of 'Twin Victoria' castings because the guy wanted the outrageous sum of £100 (spent too long thinking about it!).
None had been started, one of the No 4's had been bought in the early 70's and was missing the cylinder cover casting.
My lathe, mill and a fair chunk of tooling have been picked up from ex-members too - it's all in my care now until the next guy comes along... :med:
Looking good though scrapman, perhaps Chris will actually get a move on and finish his now... :dremel:
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Hi all, :wave: Thank you all for your comments,
Well i am on stop for now :coffee: until the die's i ordered turn up( Chris has got a chance to catch up now :lol: ),
did a little more cleaned up the steam chest cover flywheel,
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/snapshot15/10v-flywheel.jpg)
Ray.
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Kwackers, good point - funnily enough it's the AGM at our Model Engineering Club tonight - that should be interesting :lol:
You're right though, I heard a guy saying he was building a No.1 from castings that someone had given to him ... never happens to me though!
Nick
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Ray.
That's one good looking engine! :clap: :thumbup:
David D
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ps - like the red flywheel, all of my engines have red flywheels for some reason! :thumbup:
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Thank you for the comments Nick and David, Not sure what colour i am going to paint the engine yet,
Ray.
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Got a new Lathe :ddb:, well second hand the sherline is a little small so i have purchased a myford ML10,
photo in tools section,
Ray
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Hi All :wave:, well i have assembled and finished the 10v engine with just the cylinder cover to do and then to paint it, i have connected an airline off a airbrush compressor and had it running today :D,
it's been a learning curve for me as this is my first engine from castings, Thank you all for your comments and following the build,
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Ray.
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"Oh! What a feeling"........ :ddb: :ddb:
Ray. That runs beautifully...... I can see your smile from here! :D
Blummin well done..... AND, well shown! :clap: :clap: :thumbup:
David D
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Great stuff Ray :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
That's one very smart looking engine :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:
Whats next on the build list ? :poke: :poke: :poke: :lol: :lol:
Rob
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Ray
Looks like a great little runner. Is that a big smile I see on your face or are you that happy all the time. It sure feels good when they run like that. :ddb: :ddb: :ddb: :ddb: :ddb: :ddb: :ddb:
Cheers :beer: :beer:
Don
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Hi All :wave:, thank you for your kind comments, i am very pleased with it :ddb:, i have finished the cylinder cover and drilled the cylinder holes ready for tapping, i have ordered an 8BA tap to tap the holes, And i have started to paint the engine,
Rob, Not sure i will start a build at the moment ,
Ray.
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My prayers are with you and your family. Not easy right around the holidays.
Bernd
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Hi Ray, I was thinking "I really like the red flywheel, and I wonder what color he's going to paint the engine, it'd better complement that red flywheel", then I saw the next frame and the video. That is a very fine running engine, it sounds great, very smooth, and very even, without even a governor, I hope you intend to run it on steam, they do sound even better with it, throatier I think, the steam being denser than the air. Very sorry to hear about your mother, I wish you the best and will keep her in my prayers. It is hard for a son to lose a mother, and likewise for mother, too. Perhaps the engine colors can be chosen in memory of her last times and the things she cherishes. Now don't none of you get blubbery, I'm a Marine, but I have feelings about Moms just like people do. :poke: mad jack
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Ray ,,,,, :( Very sorry to here about your mum ,
Regards Rob
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So sorry to hear that Ray....... (http://serve.mysmiley.net/sad/sad0122.gif) (http://www.mysmiley.net)
David D
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Thank you all very much for your kind thoughts,
i have painted the 10v, with what paint i had to hand,
just the cylinder cover to put on.
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/snapshot15/10v-painted-1.jpg)
Ray.
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Nice work on the engine Ray, what can I say, you thrashed me to the finishing post!! Looks a smashing running - I hope mine runs just half as good as that. As with everyone else, sorry to hear about your mum.
All the best
Chris
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Hi Chris :wave:, thank you for the comments, i am sure your engine will run just the same, :thumbup:and thoughts,
Ray,
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Very nice looker and runs well too. The paint job tops it off.
Ron
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Hi Ron :wave:, Thank you for the comment,
Ray.
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Ray, engine looks and runs brilliantly :thumbup:. Well done, sorry to hear about your Mum.
Nick
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Hi Nick, thank you for the comments,
Ray.
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Hi Ray, I just wanted to say, the paint job certainly meets the standards set by the way your engine runs. It is a work of beauty, and shows off your craftsmanship and personal integrity. Well Done :jaw: mad jack
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Very nicely done Ray, a real credit to your machining skills.
It always baffles me why these engines with a large flywheel don't have an outrigger bearing to take the weight of that heavy spinning lump. It seems to me that the bearing closest to the wheel will wear away in no time due to the downwards moment being inflicted onto it by the crankshaft having all that weight hanging out in mid air. Not only would it stop the bearing wearing away, to me, it would look a lot more robust as well.
Maybe a thought for future builds.
Bogs
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Your engine looks and runs great Ray :bow: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Thats bad news about your mom - sorry about that.
Kind regards, Arnold
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Ray
quick question. Im in middle off a 10v build. Have you put a steam incoming port on both sides off the cylinder? As I understand drawings there should only be a port on the right side of the cylinder. Which looking at the video off your engine running looks to be where you've connected the air line. But there also appears to be a fitting on the left side off the cylinder ( side facing us on painted engine photo). Engine looks great BTW. Hope mine turns out anything like as nice.
Mat
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Ray,
Just how long did it take you to do the complete build ?
Did you sleep ?
Dave.
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Hi Mat :wave:, looking at the photo the one on right is the steam chest inlet and the one on the left facing you is the exhaust outlet,
Ray
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Hi Dave :wave:, Sleep what is that? :lol:
It took me about two weeks Dave,
Ray.
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Hi Bogs thank you for the comment,
A good idea on the support for the flywheel :thumbup:,
Ray.
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Hi Arnold :wave:, Thank you for your comment much appreciated,
Ray.
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Hi Mat :wave:, looking at the photo the one on right is the steam chest inlet and the one on the left facing you is the exhaust outlet,
Ray
hi Ray
:doh: totally forgot the exhaust had to go somewhere andnt got as far as looking at the steam chest drawing yet. Was thinking inlet went into cylinder :hammer:
Having thought it through now understand how valve works a lot better :D
Mat
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Hi all :wave: i wont be around for a little while My mother passed away this morning, Ray.
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Hi Ray, so sorry to hear about your mum, please be assured of our deepest condolences.
Tim
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Sorry to hear of your sad loss, I know exactly how you are feeling, I lost my mum a few months ago.
Time is the only thing that heals the sorrow.
Bogs
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Hi Ray
Very Sorry to here about your mum .
Regards Rob
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Sorry to hear about your mum, Ray.
Regards
Chris
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So sorry Ray.........
David D
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So sorry Ray and may God keep and comfort you.
Ron
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Ray,
Sorry to hear your bad news. Take care.
Nick
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Hi Ray,
I know just how you are feeling, I lost mine five weeks ago.
If you will forgive some advice, keep at it, doing nothing is not the answer. Keep busy!
Remember, we are your friends, here.
Ned
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Sorry about your sad news Ray our thoughts are with you.
Keep your chin up
Stew
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Commiserations with you and your family Ray.
Sincerely, Arnold
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Hi all :wave:, I have read all your comments
and i thank you for your Thoughts during my loss much appreciated ,
I have fitted the cylinder cover to the 10v, photo below,
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/snapshot15/Finished-10v.jpg)
Ray,
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Still looking good Ray, but maybe you need another colour in the mix.
How's about pink for the steam chest cover. :)
Bogs
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Really fine job Ray :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Colours work for me :thumbup: :)
Rob
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Thank you for your comments John and rob, pink lol,
Ray.
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Hi All :wave: i have painted the cylinder cover and changed the colour of the flywheel,
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/snapshot15/STEWART10V1.jpg)
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/snapshot15/STEWART10V2.jpg)
Ray.
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Very nice Ray :thumbup:
What are you planning on building next :poke: :D
Rob
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Hi Rob And Kenneth, thank you for the comments much appreciated,
Rob not sure what i am going to build next, just started to make some mods for a peatol lathe.
Ray.
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Rob not sure what i am going to build next, just started to make some mods for a peatol lathe.
Ray.
Will we be seeing some photos Ray :) :)
Rob
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Very nice, what do you have for material for the isolations on your pipe? :dremel:
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Hi Ray,
Great job on the 10V ray. I`ve also been collecting some materials and bits and pieces, I`ve been sad enough to have a little brass plaque made with my name and 10V on it and I`ve cut a new base and got some connections. You have inspired me to finish it off ..
Excellent job on yours...super!
Chris
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Hi Saw thank you for the comment:wave:, it's just ordinary cord lol.
Hi Chris thank you for the comment:wave:, a bit of bling never hurt anyone lol
Ray.