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Title: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on October 25, 2014, 10:27:27 AM



Introducing Scott. Another of my orphan engines.

Arrived a couple of years ago. Been patiently waiting in the cupboard. 

Never run. (I don't think)........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/P1040525_zpsdcaa545b.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/P1040525_zpsdcaa545b.jpg.html)


Badly packed, on top of the wad of drawings. Which were penetrated by the crankshaft.......  :bang:

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/P1040537_zps0331356d.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/P1040537_zps0331356d.jpg.html)


The shaft was bent, and flywheel distorted.
Rather proud of myself, at the time. I made a ballrace nudger. Which got it back, to within a couple of thou'.  :thumbup:

As it arrived. It was impossible to screw the valve mechanism together, tight enough........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/P1040535_zps89ff6618.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/P1040535_zps89ff6618.jpg.html)


I dimpled the cross shaft, for the grub screw. Then made a temporary return spring........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/P1040529_zps088fa15a.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/P1040529_zps088fa15a.jpg.html)


No joy! The shutter arrangement is much too light n floppy. Had a few pops, only.

After I'd caught my finger in the guillotine, for the third time. I decided it was time for some mods.......

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/P1040533_zps4a5a9bc6.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/P1040533_zps4a5a9bc6.jpg.html)


So......

The engine part is fine. The valve part is 'orrible.

I need some info, as to which is the best system to get the flame safely into the cylinder, at the correct time.

Some systems are eccentric driven, rather than a cam. I guess that is for quicker open/ close action.
But an eccentric will give positive motion, in both directions.

I can visualise a push/pull or twisting rod, along the side. How does it turn the corner, to the port?

Anyone any ideas? Crap o cad/ pics/ vids, gratefully accepted.

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: tom osselton on October 25, 2014, 06:03:22 PM
Here is one by bogstandard
http://www.modelenginemaker.com/index.php?topic=158.0

One site said they made the graphite valve come down so the flame doesn't have to go over it.
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on October 27, 2014, 06:35:58 PM
Here is one by bogstandard

Hi Tom. Thanks for the link!  :thumbup:

That particular valve train, is a very unreliable system.
I'm minded to Mod it, the same as my last project. The Bengs, Nick.....  Can't be any worse than it is!  :palm:

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on November 07, 2014, 04:19:39 PM
Progressing. Slowly........   :thumbup:


Roughed out a slot, in the c/i base...........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141028_150957431_zps9f80c258.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141028_150957431_zps9f80c258.jpg.html)


Milled a matching slot, and 4 retaining holes, in the hopper........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141030_115740497_HDR_zps6c3429f5.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141030_115740497_HDR_zps6c3429f5.jpg.html)


Matched up, nicely........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141030_150126407_HDR_zpsfa729aab.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141030_150126407_HDR_zpsfa729aab.jpg.html)


It needed a widget...... M3 thread in one end, 3/16" hole in the other, and a 9degree bend in between.

Turned the big end, and tapped m3. Held in the rotary table, at 9*, spot faced and drilled 3/16, down to centre.......

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141106_112237601_zpsd1e32f4e.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141106_112237601_zpsd1e32f4e.jpg.html)


On to a 3/16" mandrel. Turn small dia........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141106_114512997_HDR_zpsab51b24b.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141106_114512997_HDR_zpsab51b24b.jpg.html)


M3 studding. Turn radius........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141106_115457251_HDR_zps5268d833.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141106_115457251_HDR_zps5268d833.jpg.html)


Couple of flats. Loctited, to the tubular operating arm........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141106_145150649_zps93a4dc13.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141106_145150649_zps93a4dc13.jpg.html)


Bottom of stroke.......

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141106_144925712_zpsa26d2cf1.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141106_144925712_zpsa26d2cf1.jpg.html)


Top.........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141106_144951748_zpsea4bff60.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141106_144951748_zpsea4bff60.jpg.html)


I'm quite pleased, how it's gone together, so far.

I've (finally), read up the Poppin plans, and think the lightweight valve is the way to go.
Bought some 5thou steel shim. If I can cut it, and keep it flat. I might be in with a chance!

The present return spring is much too stiff. I've made a better action, with a small coil spring, under the cam arm.
But, I don't want to abandon the leaf spring, just yet.

Does anyone know where I can get a sensible length, of 1/4" x .012" spring steel?

Thanks for looking in!   :beer:

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: PJW on November 07, 2014, 04:43:07 PM
Hi Dave, I am watching with interest, I know nothing about vacuum engines so its look and learn. It looks like it will be an interesting engine when you have it running.
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on November 07, 2014, 06:00:04 PM
Hi Dave, I am watching with interest, I know nothing about vacuum engines so its look and learn. It looks like it will be an interesting engine when you have it running.

Hi Peter.
I don't know enough about these things, either! With me, it's fumble and learn......  :scratch:

Did you see my last one? http://madmodder.net/index.php/topic,9661.0.html

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Pete W. on November 08, 2014, 09:03:45 AM
Hi there, David,

"Does anyone know where I can get a sensible length, of 1/4" x .012" spring steel?"

A bit of feeler gauge stock might do???? 
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on November 08, 2014, 03:49:40 PM
A bit of feeler gauge stock might do????

Pete.

You're right!  :thumbup:

Why didn't I think of that?   :doh:

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: PJW on November 08, 2014, 06:34:47 PM
Just looked at your last engine Dave, it a little cracker!  well done!
I do like the look of this one though & look forward to seeing it running, keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on November 09, 2014, 04:28:29 AM
Thanks Peter!
Didn't enjoy the fumbling. Much too small n fiddly, for my old fingers. But, I love it now it's doing what it's supposed to do......  :thumbup:


Feeler gauges....... Hmmm.....   (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Thinking/thinking-020.gif)
Not given them a thought, for the past 20 years, or so. No need, for modern vehicles.  (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Confused/sorry.gif)

Just been rummaging, in my old toolboxes........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141109_083004240_zps39ebb0b7.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141109_083004240_zps39ebb0b7.jpg.html)


What a nice trip, down memory lane!

The central one. For my first motorbike. Came from the Brighouse branch of Woolworths, 1960. Cost 1s 3d.

The lower one was bought for my brand new, 1965 BSA Lightning.

The top one, when I went metric. Around 1980.

I've got all the spring steel I need...... Thanks for the posts, and pm's Fellas! Much appreciated.   :beer:

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: PJW on November 09, 2014, 05:04:52 AM
there is a piece of spring steel in the old VHS tapes, some have a plastic spring but mist have steel,

Peter
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on November 10, 2014, 02:41:21 PM
Managed a few workshop minutes, this afternoon.  :thumbup:

Assembled. Then realised, I'd forgotten the leaf spring!   :Doh:

The little coil spring, saved the day.......

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141110_153917766_zps6d4fdd51.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141110_153917766_zps6d4fdd51.jpg.html)


Gave it a flick....... And it stuttered into life!!.......

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141110_151615909_zps2a7ca787.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141110_151615909_zps2a7ca787.jpg.html)


You know that supreme moment.   (http://freesmileyface.net/smiley/respect/woohoo-022.gif) (http://freesmileyface.net/free-respect-smileys.html)
When the blood pressure goes sky high. And, all you want to do, is dance about, for joy.   :ddb: :ddb: :ddb:

It's A RUNNER!!!!    :D :D


At that precise moment, SOMEONE, was knocking on the door........ "Grandad"....... Didn't know what to do! I nearly burst! (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Others/others-207.gif)


I had a Little Helper, for the rest of the afternoon.......




I bet Steven Spielberg, never had such a helper.......




Love it! (http://serve.mysmiley.net/love/love0001.gif) (http://www.blueislandsdiving.com)

David D



Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Kjelle on November 10, 2014, 03:23:09 PM
Nice job!! Sounds like your little helper is a ray of sunshine, too!

Kjelle
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on November 12, 2014, 08:36:18 AM
Thanks Kjelle.
She's a lovely, little bundle of happiness. Especially, around Grandad......   (http://serve.mysmiley.net/love/love0001.gif) (http://www.blueislandsdiving.com)


So much for the "wonderful" idea, of the original graphite valve, lubricating the piston and bore. No need for other lubrication!  :smart:

The vacuum chamber condensation, turned to rust, overnight!  (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Unhappy/brick-wall-017.gif) (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Unhappy/brick-wall-017.gif)

Another, fun d mental flaw? I seem to get a lot of them, in my rebuilds! Sheesh!  :palm:


Anyone know, where I can source 35mm dia graphite in the UK. At sensible cost?   :scratch:

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on November 15, 2014, 08:39:20 AM
Showing the original "Poppin", shim valve arrangement. It's a bit vulnerable........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141111_113130293_HDR_zps69826932.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141111_113130293_HDR_zps69826932.jpg.html)


So, I made a temporary guide arrangement. Shim, loose on the actuating arm.........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141115_130417515_zps897a27b6.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141115_130417515_zps897a27b6.jpg.html)



No chance, so far, of a piece of graphite.  :(
I thought this would do the job..... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/300839376964?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Until I ran the mouse over, to zoom. It's made of dried leafmold!   :scratch:

Guess it will have to be a brass piston.  (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Others/others-221.gif)

The stainless tube has arrived, to sleeve the cylinder. See last pic.

A piece of 8mm stainless plate is on it's way, for the port face.

Progressing. Slowly......  :thumbup:

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: awemawson on November 15, 2014, 09:34:39 AM

Anyone know, where I can source 35mm dia graphite in the UK. At sensible cost?   :scratch:

David D

David,

The attached pictures may be of interest - it's Poco brand EDM graphite from my stash of things potentially (Pun intended  :ddb: ) to make electrodes from. POCO is a very fine grade of graphite for fine details
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on November 15, 2014, 09:54:22 AM
By, 'ek, Andy!  :bugeye:

Yer've got me attention, now!   :D

Switch to pm's, I think.......  :thumbup:

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: awemawson on November 15, 2014, 09:59:00 AM
David,

Tell me how much you want sawed off the (presumably) 2" piece, PM me an address and give Eric a donation in my name to the running of the site for what you think it's worth to you.

I ain't turning it down to 35 mm for you - my lathe is reasonably clean  :lol:
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: geoff_p on November 15, 2014, 04:30:04 PM
For smaller lumps of graphite, such as your valve-block, I use carbon-brushes from/for electric motors.  The local motor-repair shop keeps them up to about 1cm-square section by 4cm long, of which the braided wire connector ruins a cm or so.

Am currently using this material for big-end bearings on my experimental 4-T petrol engine, where they take an awful hammering.
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on November 26, 2014, 08:09:52 AM
Progressing, steadily.

The runs I managed to film, were the only life I could coax out of this engine!
Days after, it still hadn't run again.  :bang:

Condensation left a dragging film, between piston and bore. Couldn't get the engine to spin.
Also, all other internal cast iron areas had a film of rust.  :palm:

Seems a pity, to break up this well matched partnership. But, it's time to go, rustless!

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141120_094240588_zps5abe358b.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141120_094240588_zps5abe358b.jpg.html)


Bought a length of 35mm stainless steel exhaust, 1.5mm wall thickness.
The inner seam was some 8thou deep. So, I set it over in the chuck jaws, using a piece of 10 thou steel sheet. To ensure a deeper cut over the seam area.

Clocked parallel to carriage travel........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141118_143044988_zpscec04d7b.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141118_143044988_zpscec04d7b.jpg.html)


Cleaned up both ends, leaving a witness........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141118_144102403_zpscb32920a.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141118_144102403_zpscb32920a.jpg.html)


I could then bore, concentric to each end.......

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141119_134735677_zps331693db.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141119_134735677_zps331693db.jpg.html)


Then, turn the o/d concentric to bore.......

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141119_150004745_zpsa5d8b97b.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141119_150004745_zpsa5d8b97b.jpg.html)


There you go.......

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141119_153258087_zps109954dd.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141119_153258087_zps109954dd.jpg.html)


Open up bore to +.002" on sleeve o/d........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141121_140012713_zps7cc5da88.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141121_140012713_zps7cc5da88.jpg.html)


Loctite in place. And skim the ends........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141125_111058483_zps4d99d199.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141125_111058483_zps4d99d199.jpg.html)


Now, waiting for my pal Dave, who's a whiz with a bore grinder.

Thanks for looking in!  :thumbup:

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: awemawson on November 26, 2014, 08:18:54 AM
Nice work  :thumbup:

I like the trick of off setting the weld  :bow:
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on November 26, 2014, 08:26:39 AM
Thanks Andrew.

I'm just pleased, I thought of it. Before I started machining!  :palm:

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Joules on November 26, 2014, 09:47:20 AM
Lovely bit of work there David, always fancied one of these engines...  Must pull my finger out one day and make a start on one....................................................................................and finish it  :palm:

What mill do you have ?
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on November 26, 2014, 04:43:02 PM
Thanks Joules! 

The mini mill, is the one in my avatar.
A Chester Conquest. Modded, with R8 spindle, and belt drive etc. Works for me!  :thumbup:

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: dawesy on November 28, 2014, 02:56:42 AM
Very nice. Good work.
Just as a thought if you ever need to do another is seamless pipe. I used some sch10 316L when making an exhaust manifold. It's a bit more expensive but has no seam to worry about.
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: vtsteam on November 29, 2014, 02:11:21 PM
Nice work David!  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on November 30, 2014, 05:51:20 PM
Very nice. Good work.
Just as a thought if you ever need to do another is seamless pipe. I used some sch10 316L when making an exhaust manifold. It's a bit more expensive but has no seam to worry about.

Thanks Lee.
That's good to know. If I ever have to do another.......  (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Others/others-221.gif)


Nice work David!   

Thanks Steve.
It's good to see you back among us, again......  :thumbup:

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: krv3000 on November 30, 2014, 07:10:23 PM
 :thumbup:
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on December 04, 2014, 03:15:49 PM
:thumbup:

Thanks Bob.
Any/ all encouragement, gratefully accepted.   (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Winks/a-wink.gif)



Now, waiting for my pal Dave, who's a whiz with a bore grinder.

Here we go...... Arrived, this evening.   :ddb:

Lovely bore........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141204_193128927_HDR_zps937dd28f.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141204_193128927_HDR_zps937dd28f.jpg.html)


Thanks Dave! Yer a gem!  (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-061.gif)

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on December 04, 2014, 05:11:42 PM
Time to tackle the cylinder head.
From a piece of 8mm stainless plate, 100mm square. (Room for a spare. If it all goes pear shaped).   :(

It was at, (only), this point, I realised I am not as young as I would like to be........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141125_133933776_zps8111b887.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141125_133933776_zps8111b887.jpg.html)


Several rests, and the following day. It was free.......

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141126_114058602_zpscd03bfcc.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141126_114058602_zpscd03bfcc.jpg.html)


I usually knock the corners off, by friction turning. In my mini lathe....... No chance!  :palm:

So, I mounted it in the r/t. And milled it roughly, round.........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141127_145038705_zpsf29a692f.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141127_145038705_zpsf29a692f.jpg.html)


Normal lathework followed. Finally finishing the o/d between blocks.......

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141203_131913465_zps79dcc335.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141203_131913465_zps79dcc335.jpg.html)


The new head fits as a cap, over the cylinder flange. Giving .150" extra headroom, for a thicker graphite piston crown......

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141203_131601288_HDR_zpsdf11de1a.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141203_131601288_HDR_zpsdf11de1a.jpg.html)


Looks rather nice, like this. Seems a pity to go poking holes into it.......

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141203_131611634_HDR_zpsa917a2c0.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141203_131611634_HDR_zpsa917a2c0.jpg.html)


Twin port! Because the new shim blade, was occasionally sucked into the full width original port........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141204_140020967_HDR_zps9d4be5ef.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141204_140020967_HDR_zps9d4be5ef.jpg.html)


Inside.......

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141204_134650456_HDR_zps40906a43.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141204_134650456_HDR_zps40906a43.jpg.html)


Much shorter inlet passage. Less heat absorbed into the head. Mebbe........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141204_145051015_zpsf29488fd.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141204_145051015_zpsf29488fd.jpg.html)


Shouldn't rust in there, now........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141204_193054938_zpsd23719a0.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141204_193054938_zpsd23719a0.jpg.html)


Thanks for looking in!  :thumbup:

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: vtsteam on December 04, 2014, 06:47:32 PM
Verrrrry nice David!!
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Will_D on December 07, 2014, 12:34:46 PM
Quote "Normal lathework followed. Finally finishing the o/d between blocks......."

So you are just using the friction of the two plastic blocks to keep the head centred?

Any extra friction material used?

BTW what is the yellow plastic?

Very nice work

Will
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on December 07, 2014, 03:59:48 PM
Verrrrry nice David!!

Thanks, Steve!  :thumbup:


Quote "Normal lathework followed. Finally finishing the o/d between blocks......."

So you are just using the friction of the two plastic blocks to keep the head centred?

Any extra friction material used?

BTW what is the yellow plastic?

Will

Hi Will.

Yes. Just friction.......

On this occasion, the disc is nipped between the two blocks. Trued, while rotating, by a piece of wood, held between toolpost and workpiece. Then full pressure applied by tailstock........

The driving block, is faced with a layer of insulating tape. The tailstock block, is slightly relieved in it's centre area.

Dunno about the plastic! :scratch:  We used it at work, to make buffer bushes, in our rock drilling hammers. It might be the same as gas supply piping.......

No need for plastic. Wood will do just as well, as the driver. With a metal "saucer", in the live centre.

Quote
Very nice work.

Thank you!  :thumbup:

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on December 09, 2014, 02:49:44 PM
Steps forward...... Steps backward. But, overall......  :thumbup:

Mounted the original c/i piston, on a handy piece of curtain pole, and reduced to fit the new bore.

About -5thou from original.......

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141205_145739607_zps76a44990.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141205_145739607_zps76a44990.jpg.html)


Assembled. But couldn't get the engine to spin freely. Seems the open end of the bore is a little tight.  :scratch:

So...... Turned another length of curtain pole, to a sliding fit. (After sanding off the fuzz)........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141208_133256642_zpsae63ea0e.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141208_133256642_zpsae63ea0e.jpg.html)


Coated in fine grinding paste. And oscillated for 30mins, or so.......

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141208_145145280_zpsc8ba63b4.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141208_145145280_zpsc8ba63b4.jpg.html)


Seems Dave has gripped on the end of the cylinder o/d, in his industrial machine, and triangulated it!  :bang:

Re assembled, again. Piston/ bore, dry, no oil. shouldn't pick up. Just a quick test run.

Twin temporary burners, this time.......




Now, I'm confident to carry on modding, to finish, as planned.  :D


Except......

An hour after running. The piston was stuck in the bore. Again!

The dreaded, condensation rust.........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141209_163923068_zps9aed3e34.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141209_163923068_zps9aed3e34.jpg.html)


Sheesh........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141209_164027880_zps1f909f79.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141209_164027880_zps1f909f79.jpg.html)


Pleased, the lap is still mounted in the chuck. I can polish the bore, for the new graphite piston.

Winter's closing in, on old bones. Not much will be happening this week.

Thanks for looking in!

David D

Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: sbwhart on December 10, 2014, 01:49:00 AM
"O WOW"   indeed    :clap:

Its getting there Dave

 :thumbup:

Stew
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on December 10, 2014, 03:51:32 AM
"O WOW"   indeed    :clap:

Its getting there Dave

 :thumbup:

Stew

Thanks Stew!  :beer:

Considering, it was only loosely lashed together. I was very surprised, how it took off!  :bugeye: 

I had three runs, as shown. Each time, (I guess), the condensation slowed, and stopped it.

Will first, heat up with hot air gun, or fill with hot water, in future.  :thumbup:

It's all a learning curve........   :scratch:

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: vtsteam on December 10, 2014, 11:23:33 AM
My take on vacuum engines:

There's two things happening that make for condensation: one,  the cylinder walls are below the boiling point of water. And two: combustion of conventional fuels produces C02 and water. So that water necessarily gets into the engine when the flame burns inside the cylinder.

Power in a vacuum engine occurs because those gasses are cooled by the cylinder walls and the gas contracts. So one way of increasing power is to cool the heated combustion products more quickly -- in other words a colder cylinder.

But the problem is if the cylinder wall is cooled below the boiling point of water, you get condensation on the cylinder wall, and that acts like a brake. Particularly if the clearance is close, and if there are no rings or grooves in the piston where the moisture can go to clear the bore.

So I'm wondering if grooved pistons would help reduce friction when there is a lot of cooling and a close fitting piston.

The other way of increasing performance is to introduce a hotter gas, and let the cylinder run hotter than the boiling point of water. In that case there should be no condensation, once an engine warms up, and it should run freely. This would require a hot flame, high flame volume, and a lower efficiency cylinder cooler. The cylinder should be as cool as possible, while still somewhat above the boiling point of water. A much higher temperature than that is unnecessary and would just reduce power.

Anyway, just some ideas....

Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on December 12, 2014, 02:34:22 PM
Thanks for your thoughts, Steve. I like the idea of piston grooves, to hold the initial condensation.......  :thumbup:

The shop temp was only some 8*, if that. And it was only a quick proving run.
The cylinder and piston need to be nearer the 100* mark, at the start of future tests.

Next job, is the graphite piston. When the weather is a bit kinder to me old joints.......

David D

Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: vtsteam on December 12, 2014, 06:28:35 PM
David, I thought of grooves only because I thought I remembered the oil scraper ring in an IC engine doing sort of the same thing.

I can't remember whether they might even drill through some IC pistons at the groove to clear oil :scratch:
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on December 23, 2014, 08:35:07 AM
A piece of s/s, 2mm x 75mm square, (£2. Ebay), was made into a piece of 55mm dia. round.

Drilled, to match the cyl head........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141218_133224605_zps53ff68d3.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141218_133224605_zps53ff68d3.jpg.html)


Recessed, 25thou deep, for shutter blade........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141221_110218783_HDR_zps2ac94cd8.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141221_110218783_HDR_zps2ac94cd8.jpg.html)


Window, cut out........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141221_111521362_HDR_zps2cb523ab.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141221_111521362_HDR_zps2cb523ab.jpg.html)


Piston's eye view. The top of the blade can bend outward, to relieve any unwanted pressure........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/IMG_20141221_115437899_zps8e170fb7.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/IMG_20141221_115437899_zps8e170fb7.jpg.html)


I assembled, loosely, no oil. Still with the c/i, (now undersize), polished piston.

Had a bit of a surprise, during engine warm up. It runs, on the hot air gun!  :bugeye:

 



Official trial video........




I think the next job, aught to be the twin wick burner.  (http://freesmileyface.net/smiley/respect/respect-048.gif) (http://freesmileyface.net/free-respect-smileys.html)


Thanks for looking in!

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: SwarfnStuff on December 24, 2014, 01:15:14 AM
Nice work again, as usual David.
 Perhaps you have discovered a technique for drying these little things out to prevent rust? I realise that you have gone with a graphite piston but the bore would benefit from some hot dry air I think.
John B
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: vtsteam on December 24, 2014, 08:51:44 AM
That's a neat discovery that it runs on hot air, David.  And the slide valve is very pretty work!  :clap: :bow: :bow: There is no condensation problem with hot air. One could finish a run with a hot air blower and put it way dry, if rusting materials were still used.
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on December 24, 2014, 06:07:43 PM
Nice work again, as usual David.
 Perhaps you have discovered a technique for drying these little things out to prevent rust? I realise that you have gone with a graphite piston but the bore would benefit from some hot dry air I think.
John B

Thanks John!  :thumbup:

I'm sure, the condensation problem was caused by the sheer mass of the cold engine, at English temperature.

Once the castings have been warmed up, by another heat source. There is no problem with the flame doing it's job, of only running the engine.

There's no drying to do, after a full run.

There's no graphite piston made, just yet. I must be sure of the bore's accuracy, before I machine that precious, (rare), piece of graphite.


That's a neat discovery that it runs on hot air, David.  And the slide valve is very pretty work!  :clap: :bow: :bow: There is no condensation problem with hot air. One could finish a run with a hot air blower and put it way dry, if rusting materials were still used.

Steve.
I was surprised! Only cycling the engine, to introduce heat inside the cylinder through the ports. I realised it was trying to run.....  :bugeye:

I'm sure there would be no problem with rusting with the original materials. If a warm start up, and long run could be arranged, every time.  (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Confused/sorry.gif)

Thanks for your interest Fellas!  :thumbup:

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: awemawson on December 25, 2014, 03:30:07 AM
David, if the piston goes pear shaped I'm sure that I can find another piece for you, so don't 'turn in fear'

Have a good Christmas
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on December 25, 2014, 03:52:41 AM
Thanks Andrew. You're a gem! (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-061.gif)

I intend to turn a plug gauge. Now that the bore has been lapped again. Still not sure, if the slightly triangular portion is ok......  :scratch:

Very best wishes, from Derbyshire. (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Holidays_and_Party/party-096.gif)

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: fcheslop on December 29, 2014, 07:12:26 PM
Hi Marra, nice to see her coming on well
I find a large bushy flame the best and I try not to use meths as it has more water and the dye  :(
Try to get some Shellac thinners also these fuels are hygroscopic so may contain more water if old
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: vtsteam on December 29, 2014, 07:55:55 PM
A carbon monoxide (CO) fueled flame would be best, and would produce no moisture at all since it contains no hydrogen.

But not too good a fuel for other reasons!  :wack:

(you'd want complete combustion to CO2.....)   :smart:
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on December 30, 2014, 05:57:03 AM
Hi Marra, nice to see her coming on well
I find a large bushy flame the best and I try not to use meths as it has more water and the dye  :(
Try to get some Shellac thinners also these fuels are hygroscopic so may contain more water if old

Heyup Mate. Thanks!  :thumbup:

I've not located any shellac thinners. The few times I've looked....... (http://serve.mysmiley.net/rolleye/rolleye.gif) (http://www.blueislandsdiving.com)

I'm using denatured alcohol, these days. Burns cleaner than meths. (Even though Wilkinsons sell it as cleaning, meths).....  :scratch:

Wondering, if I can make a wick, "trough", between the two ports. Like a Bowman burner..... (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Thinking/thinking-020.gif)

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on December 30, 2014, 06:01:37 AM
A carbon monoxide (CO) fueled flame would be best, and would produce no moisture at all since it contains no hydrogen.

But not too good a fuel for other reasons!  :wack:

(you'd want complete combustion to CO2.....)   :smart:

Steve.

I don't think I'm going to achieve that, using a wick and meths........  :scratch:

The condensation moisture problem is now sorted.
And the condensation rusting, will also be sorted when I make the graphite piston.  :thumbup:

Probably!

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: lordedmond on December 30, 2014, 07:44:22 AM
At David D location partner eg Stanton of Stanton And Staveley
We used to burn CO in the main boilers for the alternators about 18 mega watt total , it was the waste product from the blast furnaces ,it was also used the fire the coke ovens to make the coke for the said furnace
Boy was it nasty stuff got your knees first so you could not get away

It was use at David D location to power the gas engines to get the the 2volts doc for the salt cells to get the chlorine gas this was then burnt with H to get hydrochloric acid vapour

Anyway nice work on the engine David and a happy new year to all
Stuart
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on December 30, 2014, 07:58:38 AM
Hi Stuart.

These days, H&S would have a field day.......  :palm:

The gas engines. Were there three of them? Each with a lady's name?  :scratch:

Old Gordon, the blacksmith. Who used to live over the fence from me. Told me of the times, as an apprentice. He had to crawl inside the exhaust pipes, to weld patches over the leaks........  :bugeye:

Thanks! Wishing a happy New Year, to You and Yours.......  :thumbup:

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: lordedmond on December 30, 2014, 08:27:59 AM
Yes David no h&s then only came over for a works visit whilst I was doing my time ,
The generators were huge all open frames two cylinder gas engines ,very unnerving standing at the ends with the piston rod cross head coming towards you,

I bet the generators were serviced while running as we did with our converters and alternators ie carbon brushes changed on load / live no need to shut down it was only 220 volts and the Gas engine ones were 2 volts

I cannot remember the names of them

Stuart
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: vtsteam on December 30, 2014, 09:09:34 AM
Fascinating stuff........
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on December 30, 2014, 10:01:39 AM
I cannot remember the names of them

Stuart

JOAN, ENID, VERA........


Horizontal, Twin Tandem Compound. ** BLAST FURNACE GAS ENGINES** Date 1924-28.

Cylinder- Dia x Stroke 51.25" x 59".

Horse Power 7150.
 
Speed 91.5 rpm.

3-phase flywheel aternator - 185 tons inc crankshaft.

3 engines, JOAN, ENID and VERA, using 544,500 cu ft/hour of blast furnace gas, to generate 5000 kw at 6,600 volts.


http://ellisdesign.jalbum.net/Stationary%20Engines%20-%204/Iron%20&%20Steelworks/Staveley%20Ironworks/slides/01-66-34.html?show_param=3

Would have loved to have seen them running........

David D

Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: lordedmond on December 30, 2014, 12:34:16 PM
Yes David they where quite a sight and very nearly silent


Well you have jogged my brain cell it was the rotary converters that did the two volts for the salt cells the gas engines were at high voltage thaks for the nudge

At Stanton we used steam turbines for power generation


Stuart
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on January 07, 2015, 04:23:17 PM
I've had very little workshop time, these past weeks. But, have made some good, solid progress. (http://freesmileyface.net/smiley/respect/respect-048.gif) (http://freesmileyface.net/free-respect-smileys.html)

I took the top off the original burner......

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150107_115202515_zps19e197f9.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150107_115202515_zps19e197f9.jpg.html)


And, made a twin wick cap........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150107_115342708_zps2bd78d45.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150107_115342708_zps2bd78d45.jpg.html)


The engine then proved to be a willing, steady runner! (http://freesmileyface.net/smiley/respect/woohoo-022.gif) (http://freesmileyface.net/free-respect-smileys.html)


The shim valve. When releasing it's pressure, blew onto the flames. Bending them outward. (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Others/others-221.gif)

So, I filed the top edge of the "window", to direct the pressure more upwards.

That's a bit better.......

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150107_111704765_zpscbc75328.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150107_111704765_zpscbc75328.jpg.html)


It's really satisfying, when you begin to understand these engines. (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Thinking/thinking-020.gif)


The obligatory video.........




Next job. We need an "eyebrow", to replace the hacksaw blade. (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Winks/a-wink.gif)


Also, I've noticed the mild steel shutter, is now scuffing the s/s port area. Will swap material, to brass shim........

Thanks for looking in!   :beer:

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on January 27, 2015, 04:48:44 AM
A cap. To finish off the burner assembly.  :thumbup:

3/8BSP fittings.........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150115_145554372_zpsaeed92c2.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150115_145554372_zpsaeed92c2.jpg.html)


Final assembly........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150115_150003994_zps85ca32d8.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150115_150003994_zps85ca32d8.jpg.html)


David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on January 27, 2015, 06:05:36 AM
I've had very little shop time, recently. Old bones/ cold workshop........  :(

Managed to bend up a s/steel shroud, for the burner flame area.

Then grooved, to give a positive location.......

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150116_134255567_HDR_zpsnl6xzmzn.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150116_134255567_HDR_zpsnl6xzmzn.jpg.html)


Set it in place........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150116_134442850_HDR_zpsaxnfps6f.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150116_134442850_HDR_zpsaxnfps6f.jpg.html)


And, silver soldered........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150120_142849712_zpshihcllaq.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150120_142849712_zpshihcllaq.jpg.html)


Seems to work well.......

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150122_133012875_zps8i292jgv.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150122_133012875_zps8i292jgv.jpg.html)


Nice, steady running..........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150122_133238344_zpsukelngfj.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150122_133238344_zpsukelngfj.jpg.html)


Maybe, a little choked? By the recessed shroud.......

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150122_134021019_zpss29nmowz.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150122_134021019_zpss29nmowz.jpg.html)


Opened it up, a little.........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150122_135516761_zpsypwysqem.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150122_135516761_zpsypwysqem.jpg.html)


That's better!

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150122_140326244_zpsuwdcevho.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150122_140326244_zpsuwdcevho.jpg.html)


Realised the valve assembly had settled a little. The shutter was only just covering the ports. Maybe, allowing pressure to exit horizontally, onto the flames.

Tweaked, to give 2mm overlap........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150126_133922127_zpssufts3uw.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150126_133922127_zpssufts3uw.jpg.html)


All that was left to do, was to experiment with the wick height, and positioning.

Sorry for the amateur dramatics. But, I was, just a little pleased with the result......... 





Still only, loosely assembled, for test purposes. Using undersize c/i piston.

Lots to do yet. But VERY encouraging.  (http://freesmileyface.net/smiley/respect/woohoo-022.gif) (http://freesmileyface.net/free-respect-smileys.html)

Thanks for looking in!  :thumbup:

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Bluechip on January 27, 2015, 05:37:08 PM
Well done young Fella ...  :thumbup:

That really is a nice runner ..  :med: much improved .

You may reward yourself with an extra Jaffa Cake ..

Dave

Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on January 27, 2015, 05:43:26 PM
Well done young Fella ...  :thumbup:

That really is a nice runner ..  :med: much improved .

You may reward yourself with an extra Jaffa Cake ..

Dave

Thank you, Young Man.......  :thumbup:

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: fcheslop on January 27, 2015, 05:46:28 PM
Nice, you must be chuffed with that marra
cheers
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on January 27, 2015, 05:51:22 PM
Nice, you must be chuffed with that marra
cheers

Certainly am, Pal.  :thumbup:

Each tweak, improved the revs.......  :D

Now, finished developing the head. Going to start on the other end, next.  :palm:

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: fcheslop on January 27, 2015, 05:56:57 PM
Gluten for punishment :loco:
  :D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on January 27, 2015, 05:58:11 PM
Gluten for punishment :loco:
  :D

Listen who's talking......  :lol:
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: fcheslop on January 27, 2015, 06:03:03 PM
Nah marra Iv seen the light going all steamy :D
Sooo the big Q are you fitting her with balls
cheers
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: vtsteam on January 27, 2015, 06:39:48 PM
Great improvement David, more than double where you started. Beautiful engine, too.  :clap: :clap: :beer:
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on January 28, 2015, 07:59:07 AM
Nah marra Iv seen the light going all steamy :D
Sooo the big Q are you fitting her with balls
cheers

Wot sorta balls?  :scratch:

A governor?  Nah!  (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Others/others-221.gif)

Great improvement David, more than double where you started. Beautiful engine, too.  :clap: :clap: :beer:

Thanks Steve!  :beer:

...........................


Happy with the head etc. I'm turning my attention to the other end, of this engine.

There's something wrong........  :scratch:

It's not the 'orribly designed crank throw. With the big end bearing hanging out in space.   :loco:

It's not the way the crankshaft ball races wobble, in their oversize housing.  :palm:

Shouldn't the flywheel, and cam, bosses, be level with the top of the pedestal casting?

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150120_135603402_HDR_zpsymyprbwi.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150120_135603402_HDR_zpsymyprbwi.jpg.html)


The top of the conrod, is a bit close to the cylinder.........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150120_135653434_HDR_zpsewdznfvl.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150120_135653434_HDR_zpsewdznfvl.jpg.html)


But, there's rather more clearance, down here.........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150120_135721257_HDR_zpso57ykyc4.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150120_135721257_HDR_zpso57ykyc4.jpg.html)


It's desaxe! :palm: Don't think that was a design feature!  :scratch:




The eccentrically cast flywheel, reminds me of a loco wheel.......

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150120_135749674_zpsbyza5vva.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150120_135749674_zpsbyza5vva.jpg.html)


Would this improve the looks, at all?

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150115_103841274_zpsbf02gn2u.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150115_103841274_zpsbf02gn2u.jpg.html)


Oh. Yes! ........ And, I've got a pair of 'em!

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150127_135746340_zpsdkfxdwwl.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150127_135746340_zpsdkfxdwwl.jpg.html)



Still have lots of work to do. And, all winter to do it...... (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Thinking/thinking-011.gif)

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: fcheslop on January 28, 2015, 10:00:01 AM
Sorry meant ball bearings but now see she already has them :Doh:
Yep you like a challenge or two
cheers
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: RobWilson on February 08, 2015, 04:53:20 AM
I recognise those fly wheels David  :D 


As ever a cracking engine rebuild ,good to see your still bringing them back to life .  :thumbup:

I will see about doing a few flywheels in cast iron for you ,as I will need something to practice on wile getting to grips with the  cupola  :dremel:



Rob
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on February 08, 2015, 05:27:56 AM
As ever a cracking engine rebuild ,good to see your still bringing them back to life .  :thumbup:

I will see about doing a few flywheels in cast iron for you ,as I will need something to practice on wile getting to grips with the  cupola  :dremel:
Rob

Ahh.... Bless yer, Rob!  :thumbup:

Didn't I always say, yer a gem...... (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-061.gif)

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Bangkok Mick on February 08, 2015, 11:13:55 PM
Great thread, keep up the good work.

Cheers Mick
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: fcheslop on February 13, 2015, 09:54:55 AM
Ah so that answers a question.
Very nice casting :thumbup:
(http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/ae299/frazerheslop/lever%20engine%20finished/huibsleverenginefinished004_zps6756e83c.jpg) (http://s981.photobucket.com/user/frazerheslop/media/lever%20engine%20finished/huibsleverenginefinished004_zps6756e83c.jpg.html)
Nice going marra.Have you sussed out tuther leg??
cheers
frazer
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on February 13, 2015, 02:57:51 PM
Great thread, keep up the good work.
Cheers Mick

Thanks Mick!  :beer:

Ah so that answers a question.
Very nice casting :thumbup:

Ah...... Yes! The ancestry shows.......

That's supplied a little hint....... (http://freesmileyface.net/smiley/confused/redface.gif) (http://freesmileyface.net/free-confused-smileys.html)

[Nice going marra.Have you sussed out tuther leg??
cheers
frazer

Well......

I think, I'm going to have to have it off.......   :bugeye:

Plucking up the courage, at the moment. (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Thinking/thinking-020.gif)

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on February 17, 2015, 08:30:39 AM
Procrastination....... I think, that's the word...... Putting off, the big decision.

I can't keep on, blaming the cold weather. So, I did a couple of gonna do's. For a couple of weeks.

Then I realised, there's probably some more to come. After some more tweaking.  (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Thinking/idea-013.gif)


So, I raised the shutter opening higher, (the shadow, shows the original position), and filed the lip to a knife edge.......


(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/P1040594_zpsuc2sorq5.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/P1040594_zpsuc2sorq5.jpg.html)


Lowered the rear of the wick tubes........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150216_115639067_HDR_zpstrjuhewq.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150216_115639067_HDR_zpstrjuhewq.jpg.html)


And...... With the appropriate flame. It worked!  (http://freesmileyface.net/smiley/respect/woohoo-022.gif) (http://freesmileyface.net/free-respect-smileys.html)

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150216_114931206_HDR_zpsjououpcb.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150216_114931206_HDR_zpsjououpcb.jpg.html)


Then, a pal called. With a canyer just?. About a week's work........  :palm:


The extra revs had convinced me. Whatever I do to the crank/ flywheel end, there will be enough power to drive it.

It's time to start, on the big decision!

I need to know the height of the cylinder, from the underside of the base casting.

Don't have a height gauge...... But, this worked!

Two squares. Held square by an engineer's clamp.......

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150217_112133640_HDR_zpsvtp8biyz.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150217_112133640_HDR_zpsvtp8biyz.jpg.html)


Measure the height, with vernier........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150217_111036348_zpsgyxyt4zp.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150217_111036348_zpsgyxyt4zp.jpg.html)


Subtracting, half cylinder o/d, gives centre height. (Some 3mm lower than present crank height).......

Work is progressing again.......  :thumbup:

Thanks for looking in!  :beer:

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: vtsteam on February 17, 2015, 08:38:56 AM
It's great to follow along with each of your improvements, David!

I also like your first picture -- naturally, I think it would make a fine avatar..... :)
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on February 17, 2015, 08:46:25 AM
It's great to follow along with each of your improvements, David!

I also like your first picture -- naturally, I think it would make a fine avatar..... :)

Thanks Steve!  :thumbup:

Hmmm..... Naturally, yes! I've been thinking of updating, recently.  :smart:

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: RobWilson on February 17, 2015, 02:57:49 PM
Ah so that answers a question.
Very nice casting :thumbup:
(http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/ae299/frazerheslop/lever%20engine%20finished/huibsleverenginefinished004_zps6756e83c.jpg) (http://s981.photobucket.com/user/frazerheslop/media/lever%20engine%20finished/huibsleverenginefinished004_zps6756e83c.jpg.html)
Nice going marra.Have you sussed out tuther leg??
cheers
frazer


Now thats a nice looking fly wheel  :lol: :lol: , were there any blow holes in it ?   


The engine looks a cracker to  :clap: :clap: :clap:




Rob
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on February 17, 2015, 05:49:07 PM
I finally made my mind up. There's no turning back, now!   :palm:

It has to be, twin pedestals, and flywheels.........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150217_145511182_zpsfwbyjnnu.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150217_145511182_zpsfwbyjnnu.jpg.html)


David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on March 07, 2015, 04:54:46 AM
Slow, steady progress........

Cleaned up the casting, in the single pedestal area.

Marked out for crankshaft centre line, and two base pads.......

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150218_150838704_HDR_zps9tyootro.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150218_150838704_HDR_zps9tyootro.jpg.html)


Milled .03" deep pockets........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150220_125905228_HDR_zpsi3rkhnx3.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150220_125905228_HDR_zpsi3rkhnx3.jpg.html)


Two steel pads. Fitting snugly, in the pockets, also doweled........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150223_145819322_zpsccp4iduv.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150223_145819322_zpsccp4iduv.jpg.html)


Glued with sleevelock. Milled to match each other........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150224_113217038_HDR_zpsfoo4xwhq.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150224_113217038_HDR_zpsfoo4xwhq.jpg.html)


Two 25mm square columns. Held with m6 c/sunk screws and dowels.

Drilled.........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150227_145129888_zpsoxvesura.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150227_145129888_zpsoxvesura.jpg.html)


Reamed, 13mm........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150303_143822413_zps8rzqhw7v.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150303_143822413_zps8rzqhw7v.jpg.html)


Angled the column sides.......

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150304_150534925_HDR_zpszcqn39t8.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150304_150534925_HDR_zpszcqn39t8.jpg.html)


Radiused.........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150306_144445153_zps5c7m1zka.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150306_144445153_zps5c7m1zka.jpg.html)


How it all fits together........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150306_155037446_zpsmagyaefy.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150306_155037446_zpsmagyaefy.jpg.html)


A quick spruce up, of the flywheels. Increased the diameter of the bosses........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150307_091408300_zpsj9rrqzms.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150307_091408300_zpsj9rrqzms.jpg.html)



Thanks for looking in! (http://freesmileyface.net/smiley/respect/respect-048.gif) (http://freesmileyface.net/free-respect-smileys.html)

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: fcheslop on March 11, 2015, 04:38:35 PM
Ah she looking canny marra, by eck you like a challenge
Not much done this end apart from a rear tool post to remind me why I dont like hacksawing 2" square steel
Hi Rob, no probs machining the flywheel. A really nice bit of casting  :thumbup: Chuffed to bits with it
cheers
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Manxmodder on March 11, 2015, 05:04:51 PM
David, I somehow missed your latest developments and most recent posts on changes to the flywheel end.

Anyway,yes she's definitely gonna be a prettier looking engine with the double flywheels.

 Nice work ......OZ. :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on March 17, 2015, 04:18:49 PM
Frazer, OZ.

Much appreciated. Thanks fellas!  :thumbup:



I've started work on the crank discs.

Two off, 3" square x 10mm blanks. And aching arms.......

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150309_114412775_zpsna0wnqip.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150309_114412775_zpsna0wnqip.jpg.html)


Topped, to 68mm o/d........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150311_105811453_zpszgrqvwdj.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150311_105811453_zpszgrqvwdj.jpg.html)


Skimmed. Finished at 3/8" thick........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150311_143402585_zpsnrmgxd05.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150311_143402585_zpsnrmgxd05.jpg.html)


Sleevelocked, sleeves. To increased shaft location length......

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150313_130443914_zpshv5vfqv8.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150313_130443914_zpshv5vfqv8.jpg.html)


Drilled/ reamed 6mm, for silver steel shaft. Sleeves topped to 8mm dia. No discernible wobble, when spun on shaft.......

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150316_193929528_zpsuyrzmz6t.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150316_193929528_zpsuyrzmz6t.jpg.html)


Time to make 'em look like crank discs!

If I mill away to centre line, as usual, (l/h disc). I guess the assembly would be "over balanced".

The r/h disk seems more, functional.

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150317_164218023_zps0rog0vep.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150317_164218023_zps0rog0vep.jpg.html)


The present c/i piston and rod assembly, weighs 63gms.

Is there a quick n dirty, simple formula. Which I could understand. To calculate how much weight to remove from big end area?

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: tom osselton on March 17, 2015, 04:48:24 PM
You could try this, I bookmarked it last year but have not tryed it out.

http://modelenginenews.org/etw/etw_bal/p2.html
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on March 18, 2015, 07:39:35 AM
Tom.
Thanks very much! I can work with that. (And the digital kitchen scales).......   :beer:


I've been steadily reducing the flywheel's 1" wide rims. Not wanting to overdo it.......

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150317_132649149_HDR_zpsb7nv7irx.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150317_132649149_HDR_zpsb7nv7irx.jpg.html)


Now, down to 5/8" wide.......

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150318_111343632_zpshzymxnis.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150318_111343632_zpshzymxnis.jpg.html)




(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150318_111405820_zps2stkn10u.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150318_111405820_zps2stkn10u.jpg.html)




(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150318_111436991_zpsfjtu4vga.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150318_111436991_zpsfjtu4vga.jpg.html)


I think they look about right. Anyone care to comment?

I can still take more off.........  :thumbup:

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Manxmodder on March 18, 2015, 08:45:29 AM
David,massive improvement,they look tremendous.  :clap: :clap:

Proportionally to the rest of the engine they look grand,but also I think if they're thinned down any further you may start to loose the depth proportion of the radius on the cast section of the rim webs.

It's your decision but I think she'll look mighty when the crank is in and the flywheel centres are painted.

Looking forward to the next installation. :thumbup:.......OZ.
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: vtsteam on March 18, 2015, 11:18:17 AM
Really nice David! :clap: :clap: :clap: :beer:
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on March 26, 2015, 06:57:49 PM
OZ, Steve.
Thanks for your kind comments!  :beer:


"Miliputtyed", where necessary, and sanded/ carved back........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150323_150932719_zpsy7vm8va9.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150323_150932719_zpsy7vm8va9.jpg.html)


A fuff of paint.......

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150325_143821165_zps6fqg7iif.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150325_143821165_zps6fqg7iif.jpg.html)


And, a tidy.......

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150326_114339560_zpsagjiuopt.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150326_114339560_zpsagjiuopt.jpg.html)


I think the rim, still needs a bit off the width. And the sidewall depth reducing a little.

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: kuutiopää on March 27, 2015, 06:13:45 AM
Beutiful flywheels and overall nice work!

Cheers,
Jami
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Zadig on March 27, 2015, 07:14:12 AM
I agree, lovely workmanship.
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: fcheslop on March 27, 2015, 07:26:02 AM
Looks good to me
cheers
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on April 03, 2015, 04:04:25 PM
Jami, Zadig, Frazer.

Thanks Fellas!  :thumbup:


I decided, it was time to drill n tap the flywheels, for m3 grubscrews........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150403_131928433_HDR_zps3yoa7dhc.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150403_131928433_HDR_zps3yoa7dhc.jpg.html)


Trying the silver steel shaft, afterwards, it stuck, solid.  (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Unhappy/brick-wall-017.gif) (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Unhappy/brick-wall-017.gif)

The only way to part, the parts, was to drill through........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150403_130936785_HDR_zpsgn6gqe6e.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150403_130936785_HDR_zpsgn6gqe6e.jpg.html)


(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150403_131308932_HDR_zpso1rzzvxw.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150403_131308932_HDR_zpso1rzzvxw.jpg.html)


Then drill 8mm dia, and sleeve back, with mild steel insert.

This is not the first time, this has happened to me. I hope it is the last.  (http://serve.mysmiley.net/rolleye/rolleye.gif) (http://www.blueislandsdiving.com)

I can't get over, how tightly the alloy gripped the silver steel. Despite the fact, they were first fitted, some 3 weeks ago. And, have been taken apart/ assembled, more times than a Lego set!

Is there some unwritten rule. "No alloy sleeve, onto silver steel shafts"?  :scratch:

From a rather miffed, David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: vtsteam on April 03, 2015, 08:10:42 PM
Only happens David if you paint a part up real pretty!

Never, ever, ever, ever  paint until done,

or it angers.......... the
GREMLINS  :wack: :zap:  :poke: :whip:
 
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Jonfb64 on April 04, 2015, 04:06:22 AM
I agree with Steve.

It's the same with anything electronic, it will work fine out of the box all day but as soon as it's  back together it will fail.

 :zap:
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: RobWilson on April 04, 2015, 04:10:15 AM
Looking great as always David , Its going to be a fine looking engine when done .  :clap: :clap:





Rob
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on April 04, 2015, 04:13:32 AM
Steve, Jon.
So true, so blummin' true!  :palm:

Frankly, I blame Mr, Wilson's, Newcastle gremlins. They must be hiding inside the castings.  :scratch:

The last time it happened, was with this pair........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/Return%20Album/P1030639_zps14fc1604.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/Return%20Album/P1030639_zps14fc1604.jpg.html)



Looking great as always David , Its going to be a fine looking engine when done .  :clap: :clap:
Rob

I was just typing about you, Rob! Thanks, Mate! :thumbup:

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: fcheslop on April 04, 2015, 01:44:40 PM
Nowt wrong with Geordie castings marra must be the pollution down int Derbyshire
 :D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on April 09, 2015, 03:21:48 PM
Dunno about pollution, Frazer.
I reckon it was coffee grounds............  (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Winks/a-wink.gif)



Finished the re sleeving. All went well........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150406_114337003_zpsyzqa6mzo.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150406_114337003_zpsyzqa6mzo.jpg.html)



I decided to house the bearings, inside the flywheels.

Opened out with end mills, in 2mm steps.......

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150323_112136187_zpsmt4quk48.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150323_112136187_zpsmt4quk48.jpg.html)


Final pass, with 13mm slot drill, 5.5mm deep.........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150325_142257385_HDR_zpsmb7zdbd6.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150325_142257385_HDR_zpsmb7zdbd6.jpg.html)


Should be a nice shove in fit, probably..........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150326_103749687_zpsry0llhua.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150326_103749687_zpsry0llhua.jpg.html)


Sandwiched the cam, between two 5mm thick cast iron discs. Drilled & tapped m3. All held with sleevelock........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150326_104141994_HDR_zpscjnjckxf.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150326_104141994_HDR_zpscjnjckxf.jpg.html)


Slips in here, nicely. Plugged the grub screw hole, with it's annoying click........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150409_085052708_HDR_zpsm9j84tjj.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150409_085052708_HDR_zpsm9j84tjj.jpg.html)


A bit of clearance, here........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150407_114449586_zpsuyu7eqci.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150407_114449586_zpsuyu7eqci.jpg.html)


And there........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150407_114541474_zpsku2tugir.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150407_114541474_zpsku2tugir.jpg.html)


Screwed it all together. First flick, away it went!  :bugeye:

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150408_175022862_zpsx8mdbfcb.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150408_175022862_zpsx8mdbfcb.jpg.html)


And the video. Cos, I know someone will ask.........




It's now in lots of pieces, for final finishing and assembly.........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150409_190338788_zpsuczao1up.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150409_190338788_zpsuczao1up.jpg.html)


Thanks for looking in!  (http://freesmileyface.net/smiley/respect/respect-048.gif) (http://freesmileyface.net/free-respect-smileys.html)

David D



Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: fcheslop on April 09, 2015, 03:29:26 PM
Nice work marra :bow:
No coffee grounds up here the quacks have banned me from drinking the filthy stuff anymore :D just have to stick with the malt.
Cheers
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: vtsteam on April 10, 2015, 11:42:38 AM
Oh that looks really nice running David! Can't wait to see it finished....... :coffee: :thumbup:
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: spuddevans on April 10, 2015, 11:52:09 AM
That runs really nice!  :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:


Tim
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on April 10, 2015, 02:31:51 PM
Frazer, Steve, Tim.
Thanks for your kind comments chaps!  :beer:



Today, was sprayday..........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150410_134428983_zpspd2whldk.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150410_134428983_zpspd2whldk.jpg.html)


For anyone like me, with disobedient fingers/ hands. I can recommend the cheap pistol grip. Works a treat!  :thumbup:


This was how it looked, at knock off........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150410_173432137_zpsspxxnwpr.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150410_173432137_zpsspxxnwpr.jpg.html)

Thanks for looking in!

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on April 20, 2015, 02:55:35 PM
More, gentle progress.

The original clevis, was ok for length, but, not easily adaptable for a graphite piston.
I like to have a spigot, with a flange either side of the piston crown.

So, I chopped off the end of the rod, and re drilled.......

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150414_194533281_zpsbny4sljo.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150414_194533281_zpsbny4sljo.jpg.html)


There's a new piston, hiding inside this generous lump. Thanks, Andrew!  (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-048.gif)

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150415_103706128_HDR_zps4guc8neh.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150415_103706128_HDR_zps4guc8neh.jpg.html)


And....... Yer tiz........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150420_190339632_zpswyuj1xac.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150420_190339632_zpswyuj1xac.jpg.html)


Balance time. Piston end........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150420_103825649_HDR_zpsala2mgqn.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150420_103825649_HDR_zpsala2mgqn.jpg.html)


Big end........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150420_103959562_HDR_zpsuytsfjcn.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150420_103959562_HDR_zpsuytsfjcn.jpg.html)


Couldn't make up me mind, which was the best way to lose, only 12gms per disc. (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Thinking/thinking-022.gif)

In the end, I went for slots........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150420_135058834_HDR_zpsn6liijxr.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150420_135058834_HDR_zpsn6liijxr.jpg.html)


Non too bad, I think........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150420_192542602_zpsuynhjypw.jpg)
 (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150420_192542602_zpsuynhjypw.jpg.html)


Thanks for looking in!

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: vtsteam on April 20, 2015, 04:42:16 PM
Very nice David  :bow: :bow: :bow:. And it truly was a generous lump from Andrew!  :thumbup: :thumbup: :clap:
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: awemawson on April 20, 2015, 04:45:15 PM
Glad to see it used David. I stashed that away DECADES ago  :lol:
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Manxmodder on April 20, 2015, 05:23:38 PM
I wondered when the graphite piston would appear. Very nice it looks too :clap: :clap: .

If memory serves me right the original bore was 1 5/16" (1.3125"). What size are we at now,David?

.....OZ.
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on April 20, 2015, 05:43:20 PM
Very nice David  :bow: :bow: :bow:. And it truly was a generous lump from Andrew!  :thumbup: :thumbup: :clap:

Thanks Steve.  :beer:

It certainly was!

Glad to see it used David. I stashed that away DECADES ago  :lol:

Hi Andrew.
I've had it maturing, on top of the wardrobe, since November.

It was a real pleasure to machine. Cutting very sweetly.
The final thou', was very easily controlled. Using the usual 6" rule, and 2000 grit wet n dry........  :thumbup:

I wondered when the graphite piston would appear. Very nice it looks too :clap: :clap: .

If memory serves me right the original bore was 1 5/16" (1.3125"). What size are we at now,David?

.....OZ.

Hi OZ.
Thanks!

Not exactly sure on dia, as it was a hand rubbed final finish. Not far from 1.295".


Thanks for all your interest, Chaps!  :thumbup:

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on April 22, 2015, 05:44:41 AM
I finished off the crank assembly, yesterday. Test run went ok.

At the other end. The 5 thou thick shutter, runs in a 25 thou deep recess. I thought it was rather a sloppy fit.  :scratch:

So, I milled off 10 thou, best I could, then polished the face, on a flat surface.......

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150422_091745690_HDR_zpsvmhzfmjn.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150422_091745690_HDR_zpsvmhzfmjn.jpg.html)


It's now, gone from a popper....... To a quacker........




A blummin LOUD quacker!  :bugeye:

Sheesh........

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Bluechip on April 22, 2015, 05:51:20 AM
Wow!! That's a cracker of a quacker ....  :bow:

I  like it lots ......   :clap:  :clap:  :clap:  :clap:

Just what they should do ..

Dave

Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on April 22, 2015, 05:56:37 AM
Wow!! That's a cracker of a quacker ....  :bow:

I  like it lots ......   :clap:  :clap:  :clap:  :clap:

Just what they should do ..

Dave

Thanks, Dave!  :thumbup:

I'll wait n see, what others think...........  :scratch:

So loud. It hurts me tabs.  :(

And, as you know. I'm deaf........ (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Thinking/thinking-012.gif)

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: awemawson on April 22, 2015, 05:57:51 AM
Running nicely David  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Meldonmech on April 22, 2015, 07:45:56 AM

    Some fine mods you have made there David, and the visual improvements adding the extra wheel are great. Not sure I would like to work alongside the quacking all day, but it's tolerable for the video. Think I prefer the popper.

                                                             Well Done
                                                                               Cheers David
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on April 25, 2015, 05:36:58 PM
Andrew, David.
Thanks Chaps!  :beer:


Not too much to show, for this week. But....... I've almost finished the final build! (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Happy/happy-132.gif)

I'm making several mods, and upgrades as I go along.

Before finally sealing the cylinder into the hopper, the bore caught my eye. All that time spent honing, was worth it........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/IMG_20150421_080604436_zps36fl56cd.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/IMG_20150421_080604436_zps36fl56cd.jpg.html)


Seven ball races, in the crank assembly. The fixed crankpin, links the two halves together.........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/IMG_20150424_192927279_zpsiiinpdgd.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/IMG_20150424_192927279_zpsiiinpdgd.jpg.html)


Then, the whole assembly is held by two countersunk M6 screws......

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/IMG_20150423_083950266_zps9i38efxx.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/IMG_20150423_083950266_zps9i38efxx.jpg.html)


Building a bit. Test running a bit........ I'm pleased to report, the duck has flown! Normal popping has returned........  :thumbup:

Thanks for looking in!

David D

Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Manxmodder on April 25, 2015, 06:00:42 PM
David, the bore is a fine sight indeed. I'm glad to hear the duck has flown,I far prefer the popping sound to a farting one.....OZ.
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: sbwhart on April 26, 2015, 02:59:10 AM

 I'm pleased to report, the duck has flown! Normal popping has returned........  :thumbup:

Thanks for looking in!

David D

Are your sure you didn't eat it ------------------------------ Crispy Duck Maybe  :scratch:.  :bugeye:


Cracking work Dave the cylinder looks extreamy well finished can't wait for the final run video a bet it will break a few records.

 :thumbup: :clap:

Stew
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on April 27, 2015, 05:34:47 PM
Thanks, OZ. Me too!  :thumbup:

Stew. I never question, Mrs. Drillin's cooking........  (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Winks/icon_wink.gif)


I'm doing the fiddly, finishing, faffing about, at the moment.

Rolled up a pair of stainless mesh, wicks. Action photo........

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150427_150227866_zpsb02nnu7g.jpg)
 (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150427_150227866_zpsb02nnu7g.jpg.html)

The finishing line is in sight! (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/woohoo-022.gif)

Thanks for looking in.

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on April 30, 2015, 03:14:16 PM
It's finally finished!!  (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/woohoo-022.gif)

An overcast/ bright, day. Perfect for the final pics and video, on the tartan, in my greenhouse.   (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-048.gif)

Started up, in the workshop. Running faultlessly.

Filled with coolant. No surface ripples. So, crank must be balanced ok. Life is good........






Then, I noticed the spreading puddle of coolant, from the rear of hopper!  (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Unhappy/brick-wall-017.gif)   (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Unhappy/brick-wall-017.gif)

Time for another stripdown.....  (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Unhappy/brick-wall-017.gif)  (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Unhappy/brick-wall-017.gif)

You were right, Young Frazer. The Hylomar has rolled out of the groove, on assembly! (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Unhappy/brick-wall-017.gif)  (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Unhappy/brick-wall-017.gif)

Also. The c/i cylinder is rusting, already....... (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Unhappy/brick-wall-017.gif)  (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Unhappy/brick-wall-017.gif)


(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150430_113152554_zpsxz44so6f.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150430_113152554_zpsxz44so6f.jpg.html)


So, I've ordered some O rings.......  (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Sad/sad-007.gif)

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: millwright on April 30, 2015, 03:38:32 PM
Sunds a lot better now David, Had to turn hearing aids down for the quacker. Shame about the coolant leak hope the o rings will sort it  Without too much extra work.

John
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: vtsteam on April 30, 2015, 09:53:56 PM
Oh, man!!  :hammer:

Looks beautiful in the video, though, and a very impressive runner! I'm sure you'll have the last hiccup fixed in your usual fine style, David.  :bow: :bow: :bow: :beer:
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: fcheslop on May 01, 2015, 04:38:09 AM
Sorry I was right .
I know Iv some of them O ring thingy ma bobs but finding them :doh:
One day I may become organised  so much junk
Weve a runner on that new displacer idea :ddb: although still a bit to do
Good luck and see you at hairygate marra
frazer
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Manxmodder on May 02, 2015, 01:12:44 PM
Hi David, that is now a lovely looking engine with all your mods and the extra flywheel,and it runs very sweetly too.  The water leak is a minor hiccup,sure you'll soon sort that out.

I am surprised to see the level of pitting and corrosion on the iron liner,maybe distilled or purified water would help.....OZ.
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: lordedmond on May 03, 2015, 04:01:41 AM
OZ

Distilled water would be far worse in the corrosion stats .

As it's been depleted of is mineral content all it want to do is get them back , that's why it's know as the universal solvent . Also do not drink it it will leach the minerals from gut .

It is a insulator as far as electricity is concerned ,they use it to wash down live HV glass insulators.

David why not use nest antifreeze as a coolant it has inhibitors in it to prevent corrosion

Great build

Stuart
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on May 13, 2015, 03:57:30 AM
Thanks for all your comments Chaps!  :beer:

Stuart.
I used Bluecol top up mix, in my Robinson engine. It rusted, immediately!  :bang:


The O ring idea, didn't work. Leaked, again........  :bang: :bang:

So, I filled the groove with Hylomar. Then wrapped around with thick cotton. To fill the groove a little proud.
Then applied more Hylomar, once it was through the first bore, before entering it into the rear one.

It worked........  (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Winks/icon_wink.gif)

Now, using coolant mix, at 10/1. No rust, so far........


Well........ It's finally finished!   (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/woohoo-022.gif)

The sun was shining too brightly for the camera. The actual colour is Ford burgundy......

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150512_134552396_zps9plzfq6d.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150512_134552396_zps9plzfq6d.jpg.html)




(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150512_134452858_zpsejlawv9v.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150512_134452858_zpsejlawv9v.jpg.html)




(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150512_134319246_zpsqkhbizub.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150512_134319246_zpsqkhbizub.jpg.html)




(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n95/Dayjo/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150512_134419744_zpsfwm4uafr.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/Dayjo/media/2015%20Onward/IMG_20150512_134419744_zpsfwm4uafr.jpg.html)


The duck, is in there, somewhere. The wind was a nuisance, too.......

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Thanks for following along!  (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-048.gif)

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: DMIOM on May 13, 2015, 04:52:36 AM
Really impressed to see her running outdoors, and can't really do any better than than to say "hear hear" to your final comment on the clip "Job's a good 'un"

 :clap:  :clap:  :clap:  :clap:  :clap:  :clap:  :clap:  :clap:

Dave (IOM)
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: awemawson on May 13, 2015, 07:17:53 AM
Excellent David - runs very sweetly  :thumbup:

I do have a 6" diameter chunk of graphite, so how about a full size engine .......   :clap:
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Manxmodder on May 13, 2015, 09:06:46 AM
Lovely job,David  :clap: :clap: . I'm glad it's turned out so well,it has been a really interesting thread to follow.

Hope you've got another orphan restoration lined up for us soon.....OZ.
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: sbwhart on May 14, 2015, 01:43:10 AM
Excellent job Dave

I hope that's a fire proof blanket  :D

Stew
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: Stilldrillin on May 14, 2015, 05:02:51 AM
Thanks for your kind comments, Chaps! And, for following along, through the highs n lows.......   :beer:


Dave. I film inside my 6'x8' greenhouse, with the door ajar. It was a very blustery day.......   :(

6" dia, Andrew? No, don't tempt me! (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Others/others-221.gif)

OZ. There are a few more, lesser, projects still available...... (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Winks/icon_wink.gif)

Fire proof, Stew? Nah! Just a couple of £store, picnic blankets. With several melted sections......  :palm:

David D
Title: Re: Scott Vacuum Engine......
Post by: vtsteam on May 14, 2015, 08:26:37 AM
Not done with the "Great Jobs!!!" yet David. You ain't gittin off that easy!

Great Job!!!!

 :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :clap: :clap: