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Gallery / Re: Small Punch Tool
« Last post by philf on Today at 04:37:13 PM »
I thought so Andrew - but then I don't think there can be much that you haven't got and have rescued from oblivion!

By the way - you mentioned bellows problems with your die sinker. We had a machine at work which used stainless steel bellows which had a very limited life in the application. (Applying pressure to an ultrasonic welding head.) We had a local company which was started by an old Mullard employee (Dr Keith Bromley). The company was Fibracon Twin, who specialized in PTFE products. They made us some bellows in PTFE. Once fitted they never had to be changed! I just Googled them and they are now part of a group: 2014 Röchling Engineering Plastics (UK) Ltd acquired Fibracon Twin Ltd.
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Gallery / Re: Small Punch Tool
« Last post by awemawson on Today at 04:20:58 PM »
Yes Phil, there's a wee little write up about it here on the forum:

https://www.madmodder.net/index.php/topic,10085.0.html
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Gallery / Re: Small Punch Tool
« Last post by philf on Today at 04:11:10 PM »
Andrew - haven't you got a wire eroder as well?
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Gallery / Re: Small Punch Tool
« Last post by awemawson on Today at 03:46:43 PM »
My Eurospark H425 die sinker is almost identical to the Agiemaspark, in fact many were badge engineered. Here's an ancient thread describing mine:

https://www.madmodder.net/index.php/topic,9319.msg103084.html#msg103084
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Gallery / Re: Small Punch Tool
« Last post by philf on Today at 01:43:12 PM »
We had an Agiemaspark (not sure how it's spelt) die sinker. As you say it used a paraffin like coolant. It probably went for £100 or so when our toolroom closed! A very useful machine.
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Gallery / Re: Small Punch Tool
« Last post by BillTodd on Today at 12:28:35 PM »
The most accurate machine we had at work was a swiss made Agie (?)  it could handle 100um wire  . They are bloody expensive to run but capable of astonishing accuracy.

The wire edm electrolyte was deionised water from a massive (as big as the edm) filter units.

 The sparkers , die sinkers, used an oil similar to paraffin, with automatic fire suppression systems (that would occasionally go off without prompting).

Yes , the finish is fine but granular, it would need lapping to a cutting edge.
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Gallery / Re: Small Punch Tool
« Last post by Joules on Today at 12:25:13 PM »
Hi Phil, the finish is quite rough on a small scale, so would say any tool still needs grinding, and or polishing to get a good finish.  The EDM does look a great tool for small part work.  Will have to see what the reviews come in like once it gets released.  The second machine they show has a steerable wire for angled cuts.
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Gallery / Re: Small Punch Tool
« Last post by philf on Today at 08:49:15 AM »
Bill, I like the look of the wire edm. I want one!

I've made form tools for making small pinion cutters (for clocks) by machining with small (0.8mm dia.) carbide milling cutters. I'm then automatically limited to a 0.4mm radius. With a 0.3mm dia wire this is reduced to 0.15mm which is acceptable. As well as the reduced corner radius, milling tool steel with 0.8mm end mill is a bit testing.

(I'm using a Eureka relieving attachment for the pinion cutters.)

The only real concern is the finish - would it be good enough for a form tool?

Phil.
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Gallery / Re: Small Punch Tool
« Last post by Joules on Today at 06:35:49 AM »
Funny you should mention EDM, as that was an option discussed, but dismissed as I could grind a tool faster than build an EDM.

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This however did catch my attention and will be following with interest.  Not so sure about the bigger machine at the end, water and this type of mechanics.
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Gallery / Re: Small Punch Tool
« Last post by BillTodd on Today at 01:56:04 AM »
Impressive  :clap:

I wonder if an improvised EDM might do the job . I've worked on a couple of sparkers ,they don't appear to be too complicated.
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