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Offline NeoTech

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Shallow T slot clamps..
« on: October 28, 2013, 11:13:26 AM »
So i have a need for clamping a shallow part really tight to my milling table and toe clamps are getting in the way.. So i checked the mighty bites and well i dont wanna really spend cash on a tooling plate that gets clamped and then the mighty bites and then.. and the list goes on.. So i googled a bit..

And found these "Mini-Bulle" flat clamps.. http://www.toolsshop.ch/ch_en/pair-of-flat-clamps-mini-bulle-amf.html

They seem todo two things, one, they fixes in the table through a T nut and two a wedge till then be forced onto the workpiece from the side by screwing down on the bolt head.

No a dumb question.. have anyone around here used a set of these?? I consider buying to sets to be able to clamp stock onto a piece of thin sheet so i can mill through it without messing up my table.
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Re: Shallow T slot clamps..
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2013, 11:37:07 AM »
Neo,

I have several sets of those types of clamps made up from my apprentice days.  I am not sure where they are hiding (my shop, which sets up nicely in 2500 ft² is currently crammed into 880 ft² and spread across two storage units in boxes).  Basically, the t-slot clamp itself is made to make a minimal protrusion from the table and sit back some distance (at least 1/4 inch or 6 mm) from the work.  On the "fixed" side, an insert fits into the t-slot clamp with a dowel pin to maintain axial rigidity.  On the "clamp" side, an insert fits onto a pivot (I used dowel pins) such that it can "swing down" to clamp.  The "inserts" are sacrificial such that milling through them is not a problem.

A variation on this I have used several times is to make a "clamp bar" that has angled faces (30° each way) that mates into the "t-slot clamp" and "pusher bar" (which is then U shaped) through equally angled faces to spread the "pusher bar" as the "clamp bar" is tightened.  I find this an easier to make & maintain type of mini-clamp.  You just have to allow the side-to-side motion as the angled faces move when tightening.

The sacrificial inserts should be made from the same material as the part being clamped.

Does this help?

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Re: Shallow T slot clamps..
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2013, 12:25:43 PM »
If I remember correctly the imimitabe H Hall described some reduced hieght table clamps in one of the MEW issues.

Should we call them 'low-riders' ?

Dave

Yes,  Jimmy the Weed; agreed.

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Re: Shallow T slot clamps..
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2013, 02:53:29 PM »
So i could make the clamping insert out of aluminium when i mill aluminium, will that really be able to hold the material down? Im willing to try though.. seems like a reall smart little clamp, even though there is prob several other way of doing it as well.  I thought these would be cheaper to make myself rather than buying mighty bites. =)

But yes, good description will try to make a pair or 2 pairs. =)
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Re: Shallow T slot clamps..
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2013, 11:03:55 AM »
Neo,

Yes, aluminum sacrificial inserts for aluminum and steel for steel (etc.).  The main thing is to be clear that vacuum tables have reduced (if not eliminated) the need for such approaches in many cases in the intervening years.

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Re: Shallow T slot clamps..
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2013, 05:18:26 PM »
The Harold Hall clamps are in one of his books and MEW.  Seen here: http://www.homews.co.uk/page108.html

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Re: Shallow T slot clamps..
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2013, 05:51:44 PM »
Lew_Merrick_PE, yeah if i could run a vacuum table i would.. my compressor is more or less made for refilling car tires.. almost.
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Re: Shallow T slot clamps..
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2013, 11:08:14 AM »
Lew_Merrick_PE, yeah if i could run a vacuum table i would.. my compressor is more or less made for refilling car tires.. almost.
(1) I was not sure if you had thought of using a vacuum table.  Many people do not make that connection.
(2) Vacuum tables are the reason that a number of low profile clamping systems have disappeared from the commercial marketplace.

There used to be an old toolmaker from Detroit (Herr Meister Siewic) who's old catalogs have made me appear to be a genius to those who's roots do not predate CNC equipment.  He specialized in hard to clamp/support milling machine tooling.  The solutions he and his contemporary's came up with are the ultimate in mechanical high-tech.


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Re: Shallow T slot clamps..
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2013, 11:45:02 AM »
yeah i enjoy the old ways more than i enjoy computerizing stuff.. prob. cuz i work as a programmer. So old mechanical solutions is more fascinating because they had to figure it out without running them in a cad program =)
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Re: Shallow T slot clamps..
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2013, 03:32:56 PM »
My name for the clamps discussed here is "Low Profile clamps". If you want something really simple then, in addition to the five types of mine that Mike suggests, I have also developed some that are very simple to make.

Find "Low Profile clamps simple" on this page of my website index http://www.homews.co.uk/page466.html

They do not have the addition downward clamping action that some of my five do but are adequate for most tasks.

For those not conversant with my website the index starts here http://www.homews.co.uk/page463.html

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Re: Shallow T slot clamps..
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2013, 11:52:42 AM »
Nice, thanks.. ill be looking into them as well then =)
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