De Valliere H140 Lathe

[Depaugie]

Hopefully here are photos of my French Lathe.
Ooops I don't seam to be able to post photos the attach 'choose file' is not accessible?
Not too sure whare to post this newbie ??

[Pete W.]

Hi there, Paul,

I originally had difficulty posting photos          lots of us do at first but help is at hand.          

Go into the 'Gallery' section - there's a thread there that tells you how to do it.  I particularly suggest that you note what it says about re-sizing photos, FastStone resizer is a free download and is very easy to use once you've explored it and tried it out.  It's more than just a resizer - it enables you to add captions and watermarks to your photos.

I hope this helps.

[Depaugie]

I tried unsuccessfully to use that photo uploader you mentioned Pete W.
As i am using a Mac, it won't work.
I havent had much luck with photo bucket either.

[mattinker]

Depaugie,

here is some info on your lathe, looks like a nice machine!

http://www.lathes.co.uk/devalliere/page2.html

Regards, Matthew

[Pete.]

That is a cracking looking machine. I had never heard of it before - where did you find it?

[awemawson]

Reading the write up on Tony's site it seems that you've got yourself a little gem there, the designers look to have spared nothing to produce a worthy lathe.

[tom osselton]

Looks good,  had to smile at the big ass panic button never seen one that size, what are the levers on the end for?

[awemawson]

From Tony's site it seems that the tailstock barrel can be advanced by either a wheel, or by a set up like a turret or capstan  lathe, and those knobs sticking out at the end seem to be the capstan handle.

[Depaugie]

Thanks I am chuffed with it.
Yes  it has much the same specs as a Colchester Chipmaster, except it has a whole lot more.

I picked it up off an engineering firm in Waterford south east Ireland, he had bought a job lot but he had no need for it as it was way too small for his work.

At the moment I am in the process of fitting 3kw motor 3ph, 220v to 3ph inverter and a resistance brake.

I have 68 'AMALA which is a very light oil like 32, for the headstock and TACHUS 68 (heavy) which is for the gearbox and carriage.
I suppose its trail and error till I get the oil right, any one got  some advise?
 I am still trying to figure out lever controls especially the surfacing/sliding, it might get easier when I get to change the oil and filters.

Looks good,  had to smile at the big ass panic button never seen one that size, what are the levers on the end for?

Tom, the fat ass button is now gone.
levers on the end of the carriage ? the large one is to engage the leedscrew and the small one is for magnetic tension on the leedscrew stops.
there is a flat bar that that runs the length of the bed and it has moveable stops.

From Tony's site it seems that the tailstock barrel can be advanced by either a wheel, or by a set up like a turret or capstan  lathe, and those knobs sticking out at the end seem to be the capstan handle.

yes your right awemawson, I just placed the turret arm into the bed end while I was moving the lathe.
Maybe That was what Tom meant   by the levers?

[Depaugie]

Depaugie,

here is some info on your lathe, looks like a nice machine!

http://www.lathes.co.uk/devalliere/page2.html

Regards, Matthew

Thanks mattinker.
In the introductions you said you were on a French machining forum, would that be 'Usinages' ?

I cant count the hours I have spent on Usinages, however my French is non existent and google's translate
is probably accurate but I would need medication if I stayed at it too long.

there are some very talented guys on there, I did extract a lot of info from the photos and the text.

[mattinker]

Depaugie,

yes, it is "Usinages". I can't imagine Google's translate being much good! It's a great forum, I had a quick look for your lathe on it, most of what I'd found were about older models, ironically, they put me onto Tony's page, complaining about it being in English! I was surprised not to find a manual there. It really looks like a machine I'd like to own! I'll keep an eye open for in formation for you.

Regards, Matthew

[mattinker]

Depaugie,

me again, I imagine you've already seen this

http://passion-usinages.forumgratuit.org/t1581-de-valliere-h140#10562

There are a few manuals, all in French.

Regards, Matthew

[Jonny]

Nice find there with some useful additions over the Harrison 11"/140 and Colchesters its based on.

Like the capstan idea, really could make use of that along with the screwcutting quick draw.

One thing I couldn't make out, has this got a clutch top of headstock?

[Depaugie]

Depaugie,

me again, I imagine you've already seen this

http://passion-usinages.forumgratuit.org/t1581-de-valliere-h140#10562

There are a few manuals, all in French.

Regards, Matthew

Hi Matthew
I have an English  manual  although Iam not sure if it is complete the last page shows the bearing sizes/refs.

I 6no change gears + 2no mounted on the gearbox banjo, is that the complete set?

At the moment  I have so many questions and more to come as I discover what does what!
That's part of the fun.
I will still look in on 'Usinages' as they have so much on this mark.

Nice find there with some useful additions over the Harrison 11"/140 and Colchesters its based on.

Like the capstan idea, really could make use of that along with the screwcutting quick draw.

One thing I couldn't make out, has this got a clutch top of headstock?

Hi Jonny,  that feature of the quick draw tailstock was what drew to this machine.
I had being thinking along the lines of a lever action tailstock, I had put one on a ML 7 years ago, great addition.
About the clutch, I am not sure, but I don't think so.
I just got it wired up last nite, but it's running at full speed as I need to add a potentiometer to slow down the primary speed, the motor is 2 pole.
Sorry all of my posts seam to go on a bit, that's probably just me.
Regards Paul

[mattinker]

I 6no change gears + 2no mounted on the gearbox banjo, is that the complete set?

I had a quick look at the manual, it ends on lubrication with a supplement for the motor wiring.

Tell me how many teeth there are on the gears or take a smaller photo (change the resolution in your camera to around 600 x 800 ish) and I'll ask on "Usineages"

I'd pay the transport from Ireland if there was another one of these!! What a find, you've made me so jealous having me go through the manual!!

Regards, Matthew

[dsquire]

Depaugie

In regards to the post from "mattinker"  and the photo he requested of your lathe. Go ahead and take a photo and don't worry about the size for now. Just post it the same as you did the first photo's and I will reduce them in size when I spot them. Mean while we are looking to see what can be done for Mac users to reduce photo sizes before posting.

Hope this helps. 

Cheers 

Don

[mattinker]

Hi dsquire,

I suggested changing the image size on the camera as that's how I do mine, no resizing to do, although I do know how to do it, it's one step less!

Regards, Matthew

[dsquire]

Hi dsquire,

I suggested changing the image size on the camera as that's how I do mine, no resizing to do, although I do know how to do it, it's one step less!

Regards, Matthew

Matthew

Thanks for the reply. I realise that the camera can be set for smaller images. For some that is a good solution. For others it may no be. For me I shoot them as large as the camera allows. That way I don't have to keep changing the camera settings (or forget to change them). If need be I can zoom in on some detail and blow it up and still see good detail. Any photos that I want resized I can run through FastStone Photo Resizer in just a few seconds and they are ready to go. I am hoping to find something like this for the Mac as well. 

Cheers 

Don

[dsquire]

Depaugie

If you follow this link http://madmodder.net/index.php?topic=9170.0 you will find some help for resizing your photo's on the Mac. There may be other ways as well and when we find them they will be included there as well. 

Cheers 

Don

[Depaugie]

Hi Don,
I had posted my difficulties on 'how do I' and VTSTREAM had suggested another solution, so between all of these something should work hopefully.
sorry to be such a drag, I haven't even gotten started.

[dsquire]

Hi Don,
I had posted my difficulties on 'how do I' and VTSTREAM had suggested another solution, so between all of these something should work hopefully.
sorry to be such a drag, I haven't even gotten started.

Depaugle

Your not being a drag, far from it. Even though your half a world away we want to treat you like our next door neighbour and make your time spent at MadModder as enjoyable as possible. I noticed the post that Steve (vtsteam) made and hope that it will work for you.

If it does perhaps we could write up a how-to for others that may have the same problems with a Mac in the future. 

Cheers 

Don

 

[Depaugie]

I 6no change gears + 2no mounted on the gearbox banjo, is that the complete set?

I had a quick look at the manual, it ends on lubrication with a supplement for the motor wiring.

Tell me how many teeth there are on the gears or take a smaller photo (change the resolution in your camera to around 600 x 800 ish) and I'll ask on "Usineages"

I'd pay the transport from Ireland if there was another one of these!! What a find, you've made me so jealous having me go through the manual!!

Regards, Matthew

Hi Matthew,
Thanks for your kind offer!
I took some photos of the change gears and have their sizes as well.
It  does not look like they were used much as the finnish on 120 & 127 gears (which were together on the banjo) was very clean.

[Depaugie]

 
not sure if this will work.

[mattinker]

Depaugie,

Yes it worked, I'll post them on "Usinages."

Regards, Matthew.

[mattinker]

Hi again,

here's my post to "Usinages"

http://www.usinages.com/post651178.html#p651178

From what I can see, there compiling a list of De Devalliere owners, a photo of the makers plate and some information about where you are might be appreciated.

Regards, Matthew

[Depaugie]

Hi again,

here's my post to "Usinages"

http://www.usinages.com/post651178.html#p651178

From what I can see, there compiling a list of De Devalliere owners, a photo of the makers plate and some information about where you are might be appreciated.

Regards, Matthew

Hi Matthew,
I am living and working in Dublin, Ireland and I have a small workshop.
The work I do is mainly repair work and small projects.

Mostly sheet metal work but all tools are very necessary as you know.
I have the usual hand folder, hand knife 1metre long, hand corner notcher ( soon to be 'air operated') , pedestal spot welder 'Armless' ( more work), fly press, welders, drills, small mill, ect.

so thats where my lovely Devalliere H 140 F will live.
I notice that there is no 'cross slide detachment unit ( sorry I don't know the name of it)
I was wondering if there was any parts available ?
And any other information would be gladly received, what oils to be used?

Here are some photo's


 

[mattinker]

Hi,

I'll post the photos, could you send me another photo of the makers plate, to my personal email, mattinkeratyahoodotcom, any size, without the glare that makes it un readable!

Are you talking about the tool holder? There was talk in one of the threads about what size quick change tool holder to use on the 140. A photo of the cross slide would help identify your needs!

Regards, Matthew

[mattinker]

Hi,

a couple of replies about the change gears. If you have a look, on usinages some photos have been posted. They are asking if it's an imperial or metric lead screw. I would have thought Imperial, by the date, but I don't know how an when Ireland went metric!

Let me know, regards, Matthew

[Depaugie]

Hi Mattinker,
this is a Metric machine.
the gears are 40; 50; 60; 65; 70; 90; 95; 120; 127.
I have changed the oil in the headstock and noticed the 'oil deflection plate' is missing.

After searching 'Usinages" site I found a post on this plate with dimensions, so I will make one, although I think some of the guys don't think it necessary.
Next for oil is the saddle apron, I'm wondering if I should strip it down to inspect/clean?

Having run the motor, the control levers are making more sense to me now.
 The 3 jaw chuck seams to be original, I am just wondering if its possible to get replacement inside/outside jaws from Ladner in France or where ever.
Stamped on the face of the chuck is
Puteaux
120 D14
38872
Acier
Its a 160 dia D 1-4    type chuck.

[mattinker]

Hi,

Google is your friend, a search for "ladner chuck jaws" , Lardner is at the top of the list. Why do you want to buy new jaws, are they missing or worn?

here's my latest post about the change wheels.

Regards, Matthew.

[Depaugie]

Hi,

Google is your friend, a search for "ladner chuck jaws" , Lardner is at the top of the list. Why do you want to buy new jaws, are they missing or worn?

Regards, Matthew.

I suppose I phrased that badly.
 What I meant  was, after  nearly 40years can you still get replacement chuck jaws for that Specific  chuck?
I don't know what state the outside jaws are in, but i would like an inside set.

[mattinker]

Hi,

Google is your friend, a search for "ladner chuck jaws" , Lardner is at the top of the list. Why do you want to buy new jaws, are they missing or worn?

Regards, Matthew.

I suppose I phrased that badly.
 What I meant  was, after  nearly 40years can you still get replacement chuck jaws for that Specific  chuck?
I don't know what state the outside jaws are in, but i would like an inside set.
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Go to their site and find out! They've been in business making chucks since 1905. They may well still make their own model of chuck!I was attracted to the fact that they make Pratt and Bernerd replacement chuck jaws, I'll have to see whether I can get a set of outside jaws for my chuck.

I asked why you wanted to change the chuck jaws, as even with new jaws, you still have wear in the chuck it's self. If your chuck is bell-mouthed you might have better results from regrinding the jaws. I ground the inside of my chuck using an electric drill mounted solidly on the topslide. Somewhat like in the article below.

http://www.homemetalshopclub.org/news/aug04/aug04.html#truing

Just a thought! Regards, Matthew

[Depaugie]

Hi,

Google is your friend, a search for "ladner chuck jaws" , Lardner is at the top of the list. Why do you want to buy new jaws, are they missing or worn?

Regards, Matthew.

I suppose I phrased that badly.
 What I meant  was, after  nearly 40years can you still get replacement chuck jaws for that Specific  chuck?
I don't know what state the outside jaws are in, but i would like an inside set.

Go to their site and find out! They've been in business making chucks since 1905. They may well still make their own model of chuck!I was attracted to the fact that they make Pratt and Bernerd replacement chuck jaws, I'll have to see whether I can get a set of outside jaws for my chuck.

I asked why you wanted to change the chuck jaws, as even with new jaws, you still have wear in the chuck it's self. If your chuck is bell-mouthed you might have better results from regrinding the jaws. I ground the inside of my chuck using an electric drill mounted solidly on the topslide. Somewhat like in the article below.

http://www.homemetalshopclub.org/news/aug04/aug04.html#truing

Just a thought! Regards, Matthew
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thanks for the link to the article Matthew, i'll check the chuck out when i have finished cleaning and oiling the lathe.
i'll contact Ladner re outside jaws.