Author Topic: Collecting a lathe (Read 12770 times)

ChriX · « **on:** July 18, 2012, 03:20:45 PM »

There is a lathe for sale that I have been thinking of purchasing, its a 30" bed, about 450KG. I was wondering what people normally do to collect stuff like this. I have a 6x4 trailer good for 750KG so that should be fine, but how can I get it on there? There are no loading facilities at the other end so I need to take my own lifting gear.

Then there's getting it off again at the other end, but I can think about that later... !

Any ideas?

John Stevenson · « **Reply #1 on:** July 18, 2012, 03:33:04 PM »

Rent or borrow a folding engine crane.
Anyone half serious in this game has one lashed to the back of the van seat - don't they ?

John S.

ChriX · « **Reply #2 on:** July 18, 2012, 03:37:10 PM »

Thanks John - just one of these? http://www.tooled-up.com/Product.asp?PID=16712

Having never used one, do they still move around easy enough when loaded?

John Stevenson · « **Reply #3 on:** July 18, 2012, 03:43:23 PM »

Cheaper one here. http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/cfc100-1-tonne-folding-workshop-crane/brand/clarke

Not too bad on moving but you need a decent surface, slabs Ok but gravel drive is a no no unless you throw some 8 x 4 sheets of ply down

kwackers · « **Reply #4 on:** July 19, 2012, 04:28:48 AM »

I'd pay someone to do it (depending on where and how far).
In the UK there are a couple of people who specialise, last time I used 'landylift' (I think that was what he called himself), to move a 1000kg milling machine.
Best £150 I ever spent, got here in one piece, placed into final position and not even a hint of hernia or muscle strain.

awemawson · « **Reply #5 on:** July 19, 2012, 11:53:05 AM »

Landylift seems well thought of in the model engineering fraternity:

http://www.homeworkshop.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8:landylift&catid=18:traders&Itemid=20

kwackers · « **Reply #6 on:** July 19, 2012, 12:38:45 PM »

Quote from: awemawson on July 19, 2012, 11:53:05 AM

Landylift seems well thought of in the model engineering fraternity:

http://www.homeworkshop.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8:landylift&catid=18:traders&Itemid=20

That's the chap!
Nice bloke, knows what it's all about and doesn't mess you around.

John Stevenson · « **Reply #7 on:** July 19, 2012, 06:22:00 PM »

Only problem is the OP is down in Cornwall. Landy lift will need a weeks holiday

ChriX · « **Reply #8 on:** July 20, 2012, 06:01:16 AM »

Thanks, I think I would rather get someone in in this case.

If I went about it with an engine crane I am assuming I could just use straps round the bed to lift? I know that some have a threaded lifting attachment but it's unlikely that I'll have something to go in there.

Let's see if the purchase goes through.

Jonny · « **Reply #9 on:** July 20, 2012, 01:06:54 PM »

How robusts your trailer?
How high off floor to base?

A chap came to collect a 700kg lathe plus extras in one piece with nothing more than an 8x6 twin wheel trailer and tie down straps from Barnard Castle, all in the dark last October.
Rear had a drop down gate, we placed a board up at an angle and skidded the lathe on stand up by using the ratchet tie down strap. Base around 16" off floor a bit high.
4 scaffold poles come in handy to roll the machine on, one handed.

Similar weight current machine but wouldnt entertain it as it dont like sliding, its a 6ft crow bar job 1/2" by 1/2" at best.
We used a 1 tonne engine hoist about £130 or £60 s/h to lift via the central balance point lifting eye bolt. Also used 9 years prior with an 800kg mill. The problem you may have is total height you can lift, so some juggling of the lifting straps is in order. Then you need to get the crane under the trailer or buggered.

Another alternative dependant how far the machine is away. Find someone with a hiab that will take cash, i paid £100 12 years ago so gone up for a 33 mile round trip. This was a 15 tonne truck high sided but also took a scrap car away as a bonus.

PekkaNF · « **Reply #10 on:** July 21, 2012, 09:02:16 AM »

Last baby I got home was estimated to weight 200-300 kg by seller. It was delivered into one storage near me (only 30 Km away vs. closer to 1000 km) and was handled with forklift and straps. I could not beleve my eyes when I went to pick it up with my trailer (only up to 750 kg) it was the big brother of the lathe I tought I bought!

I took it home driving very carefully and I had five frends to help to lift and move it but I cancelled that plan, because lathes (on stand) are very top heavy and unstable and this one had narrow footing. I was afraid someone was going to get hurt if anything went wrong.

For once there was a little mobile crane nearby and he moved it into my garage five metres (two of it inside the building) for only 50 €! Sometimes I get lucky. That crane was designed to lift shop windows and such sensitive stuff and the operator was very casual about 10 cm clearance between top of the garage door and boom. I asked what he thinks it weight and he said that the gauge showed about 960 Kg. No wonder it looked and felt heavier I was told.

One guy I know lost thumb when he was moving a lathe.

Pekka

mechman48 · « **Reply #11 on:** August 15, 2012, 03:48:11 AM »

Hi Chrix
I bought a i tonne foldaway engine hoist from Machine Mart on on of their vat free days;

well worth the £149 I spent on my garage conversion, have used it to lift Warco WM 250V-F 9 (120kg & WM16 103kg ) as I had no assistance other than the better half

now folded (retired) away in corner.

George

pete3000 · « **Reply #12 on:** August 15, 2012, 04:50:34 AM »

Last sentence made me smile, was expecting a photo of your better half sat in a chair with a cuppa (folded and retired)

PekkaNF · « **Reply #13 on:** August 15, 2012, 05:44:50 AM »

Quote from: pete3000 on August 15, 2012, 04:50:34 AM

Last sentence made me smile, was expecting a photo of your better half sat in a chair with a cuppa (folded and retired)

I got the same connotation

I agree full heartly on the rest of the message in question. My brother has one and it has saved a day in more than one ocasion. My only wish is 2 metric tonnes with same dimenssions and price

PekkaNF

John Hill · « **Reply #14 on:** August 15, 2012, 05:54:02 AM »

Be very careful with an engine crane. The ones I have seen cannot be safely moved with a load on except over a smooth (e.g. concrete) floor.

loply · « **Reply #15 on:** August 15, 2012, 06:13:17 AM »

If you're going to have heavy machines then a folding engine crane is a must in my opinion as you'll use it if you ever move house/shop, or if the machine just needs pulled out for some reason, plus you can use it for initially collecting the machine and collecting any others in future.

In addition it means you can pull a car engine should you ever need to!

Cheers,
Rich

ChriX · « **Reply #16 on:** August 15, 2012, 08:58:02 AM »

I have now got a 1T engine crane. If anyone is interested I got it from: http://ccw-tools.com/product.asp?strPageHistory=search&numSearchStartRecord=1&strParents=0%2C0&CAT_ID=&P_ID=2028&btnProduct=View+More+Details

It was a few pounds more than the equivalent Machine Mart one but I like the service from CCW Tools so I went with them.

mechman48 · « **Reply #17 on:** August 15, 2012, 09:44:23 AM »

Hi All,
Pekka & Pete..

never saw it that way 'till you've pointed it out

.. never mind a little humor goes a long way

.
Have progressed well with the conversion so far, will post update when I get photos sorted shortly

bfn

George

lordedmond · « **Reply #18 on:** August 15, 2012, 10:28:27 AM »

Quote from: ChriX on August 15, 2012, 08:58:02 AM

I have now got a 1T engine crane. If anyone is interested I got it from: http://ccw-tools.com/product.asp?strPageHistory=search&numSearchStartRecord=1&strParents=0%2C0&CAT_ID=&P_ID=2028&btnProduct=View+More+Details

It was a few pounds more than the equivalent Machine Mart one but I like the service from CCW Tools so I went with them.

Dont like the advert at all do they know they could be held responsible for a court case

In the title they state a 1TON hoist = 2240 pounds

then go on to say 1000Kg = 2200 pounds

so what will it lift ?

I remember well a well meaning painter at the steel works that I used to work at repainter the OH cranes nice and red while he was at it he the painted the SWL panels to read 5 TONNE and 10 TONNE and last but not least 375 TONNE

hence he derated the cranes , as the cranes had to lift near there rated loads all the cranes neaded to be retested and certified by the crane inspector ( insurance )

Lift safe and be careful gravity takes no prisoners, like a sign on a circular saw ( 48 inch diameter ) Please count your fingers after use

Stuart

AdeV · « **Reply #19 on:** August 15, 2012, 12:37:21 PM »

Quote from: lordedmond on August 15, 2012, 10:28:27 AM

In the title they state a 1TON hoist = 2240 pounds

then go on to say 1000Kg = 2200 pounds

so what will it lift ?

I imagine, considerably more than either 1 ton OR 1000kg. I'm not sure what the safety factor is on a hoist like that, but if it's less than 50% I'd be surprised; so I don't think there'll be any court cases arising from confusing 1 ton with 1 tonne.

ausdier · « **Reply #20 on:** August 16, 2012, 08:04:45 AM »

Just how I got mine into place.

Jonny · « **Reply #21 on:** August 16, 2012, 05:43:48 PM »

Quote from: ausdier on August 16, 2012, 08:04:45 AM

Just how I got mine into place.

Welcome, you could slide that one as long as it dont dig in.
My latest a right pig, at best grunt and 1/4" movement with 5ft crow bar, machine on 4 1 1/4" rollers. Its the two part base, even worse on mine because its a pressing and welded up, digs in.

Those 1tonne hoists arent that robust, its tough work for a strapping body builder mate with less than 3/4tonne lift. Can get them for around £75 s/h, used to be £120 new two years ago.
Eye bolts the best, decent machines have them tapped at the balance point.

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Author Topic: Collecting a lathe (Read 12770 times)

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