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Getting answers
Bernd:
Well I see this has gotten some good responses.
One of the reasons I brought this up was the fact I believe I'm seeing this happen in the other forum. I have noticed alot of new people asking the same questions.
I didn't mean to point any fingers hear or get anybody POed. I was interested in what other memebers thought about this and how they would hnadle it. Some good answers have come out.
I can attest to Bogs gentle handling of me by telling me to look in the archives to find his twin cylinder engine. What I found also was his other hiding place, somthing to do with some kind of water foul. :)
Hopefully some newbie will read this and get the hint of how things work. ::) We can only hope.
Bernd
cedge:
Maybe I should explain my reticence to jump into this particular debate, except on the shallow end of things. Back when Bogs was still on the HMEM site, the philosophy was to treat the newbies with respect and to make sure they got usable and safe answers. Being a newbie of sorts myself, and being far from a wallflower, I've raised my voice when that protocol was breached. It's made me a few enemies, but I don't really care.
That is not to say that the newbie is always right. I believe John best defined that demarcation line when he once discussed the difference between seekers and takers of knowledge. The former is a blessing and almost always welcomed, since they tend to be well mannered. They also tend to appreciate being helped and say so. In short... good guys who are actually trying. The latter is more of the hit and run type, best known for their AOL memberships in days past. The likelihood that you'll ever get any thanks or even acknowledgment of your efforts is pretty much zero. They simply feel it's their right to walk on those who are so stupid as to help them. Insulting you for helping them is far more likely than any other reaction.
The last time I took up the banner to point out Newbie abuse, the mods took no public position at all, until the campaign had gotten pretty bloody. I got several PM's from mods supporting my stance on the issue, but the team was divided and refused to back their own #1 cardinal rule. As a result, I no longer feel that it worth the effort to ride to the sound of gunfire. Thus...I chose to stay relatively neutral on this thread. No hurt feelings, no raised blood pressure and no controversy.
Steve
PTsideshow:
--- Quote ---but the team was divided and refused to back their own #1 cardinal rule.
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The pre #1rule on a lot of forums. "Do as I say and not as I do". Seems some people go to other forums and use all the bad behavior they claim they will not allow on their site!
When I questioned it I was told that the party in question, had a slight problem with the spirits. And to ignore him, and this was on another forum. Not the one hes a admin on. Go figure.
glen
Divided he ad:
Well.... I've been in the dark here!!
I have no idea what has gone on with the original quote etc from Bogs and had no idea that there was so much of an issue out there??
Personally I've tried my best to pass on the kind of help that was bestowed upon me when I was a newbie.... (Still a newb' in a lot of ways!)
I've done as some of you say.... "bent over backwards" ....Recently I PM'ed a guy on 'The' other forum who wanted desperately to know how to post pic's and videos.... I directed him here, to the posts I'd completed the week before.... Offered my assistance if he got stuck.... All I could to help him as he seemed lost.
No reply, nothing.... I was there again the other day and read a brand new post by the same guy.... Something like, "I don't have any idea on how to post videos, it took me forever to figure out how to post pictures" ....
I remember thinking "I gave you a link to all the info you will ever need!!!" Some people even when presented with the info' on a silver platter are still too damn daft to follow it!
Of course.... He could just not know how to access his messages!!!! :doh: :lol:
I have also done the ... "do a search" bit, The only thing I do possibly a little differently is I do the search first to see if it gives a valid result (first page of results kind of hit) If it does then I post something like,
"click the search button and type (the word or words) inside of " " this will narrow your search and you should find something to help"
Some of my efforts have gotten me complete ignorance..... " Bovered!!!!" is what I say.... For every ass there are 10 who are happy and appreciative. That'll do me!
The way I look at it for now... It's part of the forum type of life!
I'll just remain happy with the ones I have helped who thanked me and very happy with the ones that are still talking to me :thumbup: ..... Forget the rest, they are obviously happy with themselves!?!
All my opinion.... No offence intended and no members were physically injured in the writing of this post! :ddb:
Now, if you don't mind I've got fun to have! :thumbup: :mmr: :headbang: :D
Ralph.
Oh and P.S.
--- Quote ---that there are slightly different criteria here.
--- End quote ---
Yep, Roger your right..... This place is fun for everyone :ddb: :wave:
Eric......
--- Quote ---I would like to think of this place as someone's garage that we meet up in on a Saturday night. Shoot the ****, have a beer (or whatever) a smoke and learn, teach, share and show off!
--- End quote ---
You guys is funny..... You shoot poo! :lol:
Stew,
I'm happy that you are going to make an elbow engine.... I just like taking the mick too :thumbup: .... (you know most of us haven't the nuts for such a mission!!? Hell I can't even make a hollow ball!!!) :D
Bernd:
I believe we can let this subject now rest.
I have run into almost every situation that has been mentioned here. I whole heartly agree with all that was said. I was just curious as to what others thought on this subject. It will help me as a moderator in case a situation like this shows up.
I would like to thank you all for your input.
Now let's get back to :proj: :ddb:
:mmr:
Bernd
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