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Offline MadNick

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Heidenhain DRO
« on: January 07, 2012, 12:15:33 PM »
Hi there,

Does anyone know anything about repairing the glass scale on these things?

My X axis scale let go just before christmas - I managed to get one imported from the US. Now the Y axis scale has gone - it stopped working so I pulled it off the mill and there was something rattling around inside. After taking the end cap off I found part of the cradle for the sensor and a small fisheye thing that looks important.



I'd appreciate some help. If theres any way to repair this i'd love to be able to.

Nick
« Last Edit: January 07, 2012, 01:33:45 PM by MadNick »

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Re: Heindenhain DRO
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2012, 01:34:29 PM »
Nick,
           It would not be advisable to poke around inside the Heidenhain as they are very precise instruments,  and really there is not much user servicable parts to them.
We had 1 play up at work and it was Heidenhain [or their agents that dealt with it]  At my place of work all the manual lathes and milling machines are either Heidenhain or Newall. they are certainly the best 2 Dro's available. My lathe [CNC] at work uses Heidenhain controllers they are are great make. Sorry I can't be of more help with your problem. this was more or less to say" Don't interfere with it". all the bits are important.
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Re: Heidenhain DRO
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2012, 02:16:42 PM »
Thanks Udimet,

I understand the sentiment of your reply but my view is that if it doesnt work then you cant possibly make things worse by having a look.

I know how much these cost to repair (quoted anything between £300 and £700) so am looking for a cheap replace/repair - we are talking home workshop here, not high tolerance engineering.

I just had another look at the sensor, its made by Leine and Linde, not Heidenhain, so it looks as if other sensors will work - if anyone can help I would be very grateful for some advice (current search engine returns nada).

Nick

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Re: Heidenhain DRO
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2012, 02:44:52 PM »
Nick,
I used to have a Heidenhain on the POS Bridgeport and that used to let go on the Y quite regularly.
From memory there is a small bent wire spring that drags the reader head along and on mine the bit it clipped into was broken.

I think I held mine with a small screw and washer.

One day when right at the far end of the bed it left the X axis reader head behind and pulled the cables out. Knowing I had problems now with two scales I bought a new DRO and never looked back.

Sold the whole Heidenhain on Ebay as a working display and two non working readers [ got £100 for it towards the new DRO ] I was going to include all the bits but lost the X reader head and broken cable, recently re-found it again and it's yours for postage if you want it ?

Not saying it's any good but it's spares.

John S.
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Re: Heidenhain DRO
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2012, 03:58:40 PM »
John,

I wasnt fishing for any spares but that would be very good of you.

Im not convinced the Heidenhain sensor is a great design - seems to me like it bashes itself to pieces at either end of the scale. These are quite old pieces of kit though, after 20 or 30 years of abuse you can see why.

How do you want to do this? Send me a price for postage and ill send it via paypal.

Nick

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Re: Heidenhain DRO
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2012, 09:52:25 AM »

Im not convinced the Heidenhain sensor is a great design - seems to me like it bashes itself to pieces at either end of the scale.

That is poor installation, not a design fault on the scale. It is usual to specify a scale of longer travel than the slide & position it so that the reader head stops 10mm or so before the end of it's travel when the axis dead-stops. This is a precision measuring device - not an external mechanical dead stop ! When mounted, it should be accurately aligned with the axis in both planes (better than 0.01mm over the full length IIRC) and the reader head set to the specified clearance (1mm IIRC for the slim scales - 1.5mm for "standard" scales, though on those the head transit clamps incorporate a gap setting function).

The slim-line scales were a bit of a challenge, as the reference marks were close-ish to the ends of travel. They had to be positioned pretty accurately initially to be able to get to the reference mark but not hit the reader head on the end of the scale before the end of axis travel.

You may find some info here :

http://www.heidenhain.co.uk/en_UK/documentation-information/documentation/manuals/

The General Catalogue gives dimensions & mounting tolerances for the current families of scales.

I seem to recall that Heidenhain did not supply replacement reader heads for the slimline scales for the user to fit - something to do with having to set something up on a test rig to get the signal levels correct IIRC. The larger scales were no problem & I have changed many of those (all in CNC applications). Usually it is the lamp that fails - they used to use a 12V lamp on a 5V supply, which gave a dim glimmer of light through the gratings onto the photocells. The upside to running a lamp at a much lower than rated voltage is greatly increase life - 20,000 hours IIRC. Later designs used an Led, which seem to be almost infinate life. Heidehain scales are an industry standard for very good reasons - they are very accurate, repeatable and reliable.

If you want to use a different manufacturer's scale, Heidenhain used to use an 11 micro-amp sine wave output not 5V TTL. That changed to 1V peak-to-peak sine wave output a few years ago. The scales were available with 20 or 40 micron pitch gratings that were interpolated by the control electronics to get the required display resolutions. I seem to recall that Newall did a replacement Spherosyn or Microsyn scale with a Heidenhain-compatible output. Heidenhain do signal level converters, but the versions I have seen convert 11 micro-amp or TTL scale outputs to the current 1V peak-to-peak level.
The 11 micro-amp connectors are a round screw collar secured 9 pin design, with one large central pin & the other 8 smaller pins arranged radially around the centre. 1V peak-to-peak and 5V TTL versions usually use an externally similar connector with 12 small pins.

I have replaced a Newall readout & scales on a Harrison lathe at work with a Machine-DRO Chinese budget console & glass scales. Good price, quick delivery & it has been working fine for 2 years now. I have another of their budget 2 axis consoles & 2 magnetic strip scales in my office at the moment to retrofit to a tool presetter - around £400 total, where the Swiss presetter manufacturer quote £2500 to replace two Trimos capacitive read heads !

I am not a great fan of the Newall arrangement - robust & reliable on shorter lengths maybe, but I had "issues" with accuracy on longer length applications due to the rod drooping like a washing line. When postioning accuracy was checked with a laser, this could clearly be seen and for that particular application (CNC Vertical borer X axis) the Newall arrangement was subsequently changed for a Heidenhain scale.

In your position, I would probably replace the lot with a Machine-DRO system complete. 3 axis, with another scale on the knee.

HTH,

Nigel B

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Re: Heidenhain DRO
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2012, 02:03:07 PM »
Thanks Nigel,

I appreciate the time taken to type your response. Im inclined to agree with your suggestions of replacing the lot!

Nick