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Offline NeoTech

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Got me a piece of roundstock....
« on: December 18, 2011, 06:53:56 PM »
Well this is what - i got myself a new Lathe.. a pretty little thing (see my blogg, http://www.roughedge.se/blogg/)
And in it i put a carbide insert cutting tool.. Well then i tried to cut a piece of roundstock.. somekind of mystersteel rusty as hell..

I think i have tried every speed setting on that machine now and i cant get it to cut with a smooth finish. it shatters or it gets like "ridgets"
all over the surface. i tried to flood cool it and i tried to just dry cut it.. (with breaking inserts as a result).. in the end.. it cant be cut..
What the hell could it be? its mild enough, i can deform it with a hammer (5kg, sledge is a hammer in my world).

i will most likely just threw it out cause i cant cut it.. but still i'm a bit suprised.. its steel. it should be able to cut properly.

Anyone got any idea how i could figure it out?! I really dont like to be loosing to a piece of roundstock...
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Offline DaveH

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Re: Got me a piece of roundstock....
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2011, 07:14:07 PM »
Neo Tech,

Have you tried to file it,  that will indicate how hard it is.

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Re: Got me a piece of roundstock....
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2011, 08:50:40 PM »
Nice little metric lathe you have there. Should turn a bit of stock ok - I would try buying some BMS and see how that goes.

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Re: Got me a piece of roundstock....
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2011, 09:54:22 PM »
NeoTech,
Is your tool tip dead on the lathe centerline?

Pete

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Re: Got me a piece of roundstock....
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2011, 02:44:23 AM »
As Pete( Miner) comments, it could be that the carbide tool is at the wrong height.
Again, I don't like carbide inserts but that is me.

The geometry of how an insert presents itself to work is far more important to get right than a simple high speed tool.
Usually a carbide insert has perhaps a 3 degree whereas a hss will be perhaps 5 or 10 degrees and the latter solid and not held with a simple screw and brittle( which you have discovered).

However, if your lathe is new, it may not have been carefully adjusted and that factor alone will snap carbides like carrots.

Frankly, if it was me, I'd head for a decent hss tool and set it at tool height by holding it with a bit of Stanley knife blade.

OK,it was decided to alter (!) another of my replies, locked it and this may not be high class engineering and acceptable to believers in the black arts but it works!

Consequently, you should remove all the gibs and whatever. and remove old oils, greases and whatever,  reset the feel of your lathe to suit you- and you alone.

This is NOT the full answer- nor the only answer, but you should try it, make a note of what you have attempted, what you discovered and report the findings. If you don't, tell me which insert firm you are patronising and I will buy shares in it( sorry!)
« Last Edit: December 19, 2011, 03:47:08 AM by Fergus OMore »

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Re: Got me a piece of roundstock....
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2011, 03:02:19 AM »
SOunds like my lathe when I got it, but that was all down to bad adjustment at the factory, once stripped and put back together with all the gibs tightened up, and the tool height set properly, then it cut very well, both on carbide tips and on HSS. All I found was that I had to take much less off it than expected. Whats it like with fine cuts? Not suggesting yours is as bad as mine was, just saying thats what mine was, but that was down to me not having a first clue :thumbup:
very new to all this....

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Re: Got me a piece of roundstock....
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2011, 03:14:11 AM »
It can be tricky to get a nice finish on very soft steel - the surface can tend to tear.  It might be an idea to check if someone else can turn that bar, or get hold of something known to behave well.

A remote possibility, but there are some steels with very unusual properties - again, try something of known quality first to establish a base line.

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Re: Got me a piece of roundstock....
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2011, 04:00:06 AM »
It sounds like i have some adjusting todo, the machine is new, its cleaned but it still probably not setup properly.
I had the tool dead-on center, the 20mm carbide holders where way to big, so i put them in the mill and took em down until they centered.. (shouldnt prob. done that if i now have to adjust everything again).

But again, you all make valid points here.. I need to get me some HSS steel and sharpen a bunch of tools myself, could be a learning experience that aswell. I'm new to this, so i thought carbide tips would be the easier route to make it cut well.

And what brand of tips, well i'm swedish, i buy Sandvik of course. ;D
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Re: Got me a piece of roundstock....
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2011, 04:06:10 AM »
NeoTech,
Just as a double check, Those wouldn't be negitive rake tools or carbide tips would they?

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Re: Got me a piece of roundstock....
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2011, 05:50:59 AM »
I used a straight tool and a carbide tip. I got some strange angled aswell, but i think i will consider those later. ;D
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Re: Got me a piece of roundstock....
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2011, 06:30:30 AM »

Go back to simple tools as some carbides have negative rake and are literally pushed into the work to peel off metal.

Again, check your lathe- adjust and get a tool which is ground sharp enough to peel a sliver from your thumbnail.

Sorry but there is a lot of confusing information which will cause all sorts of troubles to someone who has little experience but these tools are probably excellent but designed for  production machinists in a factory.