Author Topic: How to drive slender shaft when turning parts between centres  (Read 12017 times)

Offline PekkaNF

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Hello,

I hope you guys are not completely sick of my questions.

I wish to turn a slender shaft dia 12 to 16 mm between centres (because I have to try fits and remove it from the lathe anyway), some are tad over 100 mm long, longest one is 170 mm.

I never turned anything between centres. Read bout it and I can tell soft centre from hard one, but I don't have a faceplate and centre sits fairly deep in the spindle. I'm going to remove 3 jaw chuck.

I see faceplate and dog being used on Myfors, but how to do with chinalathe?

Is there any obivious way to drive it without a face plate? This lathe has MT4 taper, but no nose thread or register such as Myford has. I have one 3 mm deep register at 95 mm and PCD for bolts is something bit over 100 mm. Is this turning to another turning exercise and tool making before I'll get to make tools.

Where is that shiny piece of round 130+ mm cast iron when you need one? I don't think I have anything of that dimension lying on my shop....

Thanks,
Pekka

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Re: How to drive slender shaft when turning parts between centres
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2011, 01:34:53 PM »
Leave the 3jaw in place.  Mount a scrap of steel and turn a 60 deg point on it.  Voila, instant perfectly centered drive center.  Make a clamp for the workpiece and mount a bolt/rod/whatever to the clamp such that it bears on one of the chuck jaws to provide the rotational torque.
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Re: How to drive slender shaft when turning parts between centres
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2011, 02:12:10 PM »
As Marv says, just don't remove the centre from the chuck until the job is done and true it up again for the next job. You can also drive with a cranked dog letting the cranked end bear on the side of a chuck jaw.

On a far eastern lathe with a 3 stud spindle flange you can lock a bolt into one of the stud holes with a couple of nuts and use that to drive a clamp or dog.

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Re: How to drive slender shaft when turning parts between centres
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2011, 02:36:52 AM »
hi her is sum pics of my set up fore turning up betwen centers

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Re: How to drive slender shaft when turning parts between centres
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2011, 03:14:52 AM »
Thanks. I'll have to remove 3-jaw chuck. Thanks for the ideas, I have to somehow use the chuck backplate to drive the dog. Thanks for the picture krv3000, something like that.

Pekka

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Re: How to drive slender shaft when turning parts between centres
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2011, 06:11:26 PM »
Pekka- you can get very cheap D1-4 camlock backplates - is that what your machine has? You can afford to drill and tap that with a clear conscience and it won't matter if its a touch looser on the taper/register than a good one - and it will protect the register while you work. But if you go that route you still need a (3 MT?)centre to go in the 4MT adaptor, and if centering is critical it is good idea to use a soft centre and turn a new point on it.

Which is where the "keep the chuck on and turn a centre and use a cranked drive dog" merchants came in, because they are achieving all the accuracy of the above for the cost of no more than a drive dog?

Had you decided how you intended to turn/apply a cut on this slender shaft without it flexing, or can you use a traveling steady?

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Re: How to drive slender shaft when turning parts between centres
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2011, 12:03:08 PM »
Pekka- you can get very cheap D1-4 camlock backplates - is that what your machine has? You can afford to drill and tap that with a clear conscience and it won't matter if its a touch looser on the taper/register than a good one - and it will protect the register while you work. But if you go that route you still need a (3 MT?)centre to go in the 4MT adaptor, and if centering is critical it is good idea to use a soft centre and turn a new point on it.

Which is where the "keep the chuck on and turn a centre and use a cranked drive dog" merchants came in, because they are achieving all the accuracy of the above for the cost of no more than a drive dog?

Had you decided how you intended to turn/apply a cut on this slender shaft without it flexing, or can you use a traveling steady?

Hi mgj,

I wish I had a camlock chuck...maybe I could afford one if I sold all my lathes away.

I have a soft MT4 centre for the lathe, no problem there, but you brought to my attention very important point of protecting the register. I wonder if the coin would have dropped before a clacking sound? Thank you.

There are few more intricaties to be sorted out before I rush into finishing them. I might give least one of them a go just to double check that lathe turns true enough on that setup. You never know.

Making a dog should be easy, but if I order some stug from my favorite supplier, I probably order one or few. I probably could use keystock, With a clearance hole on driving pin and use low teperature release screw lock to attach this dog to finished section of the work....Or just use some brass shim stock.

I really can't believe that I never had to turn between centres before. I rather spent 45 centering the bugger on three jaw chuck that went proper way.

Pekka