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Re: Cylinder Puzzle - Finished Weekend Project! (lots of photos + plans)
« Reply #50 on: November 19, 2010, 01:57:10 PM »
the keyring sized one would be great fun :thumbup:
nice work by the way :clap:

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Re: Cylinder Puzzle - Finished Weekend Project! (lots of photos + plans)
« Reply #51 on: November 19, 2010, 02:32:59 PM »
If anyone is interested in ordering bearings, I`ve ordered from these chaps three times in the last few weeks, paid for £1.50 standard delivery and ordered in the morning twice and yesterday at 3pm. Bearing have been with me next day each time and even with me today at 9am post!! 

http://simplybearings.co.uk

Nothing to do with them..just happy customer!

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Re: Cylinder Puzzle - Finished Weekend Project! (lots of photos + plans)
« Reply #52 on: November 19, 2010, 03:17:55 PM »
Another nod for Simply bearings, not the cheapest around, but very reliable.

Well,  I braved the fog and opened the grooves up to fit the 4mm balls - much better :) 

Can't show you pictures, just gave it to a friend for delivering one of Bogs' overhead cranes from Lydl  :)


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Re: Cylinder Puzzle - Finished Weekend Project! (lots of photos + plans)
« Reply #53 on: November 19, 2010, 03:25:15 PM »
This is pretty neat Chris. With the gift giving season almost upon us, this brings possibilities. Having a time wrapping my head about it though.

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Re: Cylinder Puzzle - Finished Weekend Project! (lots of photos + plans)
« Reply #54 on: November 21, 2010, 07:29:16 AM »
Bit of an update for anyone interested. My aluminium one has been returned from the engravers and looks great. I`m well chuffed with it and I just hope my Dad will be. As was always my original intention, the engraving forms part of the puzzle. Without it the puzzle is actually just luck and trial and error even if you know how it works. By putting the engravings in a relation to the hole and semi-circle slot, you can discover how to align them to open the puzzle. The engravings have to be 180deg apart to open the hole and allow the balls to escape.







I`m also really really chuffed as I`ve just finished my second MK2 modified puzzle and can confirm that it makes the puzzle near impossible without some way of understanding how it opens. Infact, it is more or less a lock!!  :smart:

So the base piece was done last week and I posted pictures of that earlier. Here are the rest, showing the other couple of pieces:

So I turned down another block of brass so that it fit into the bore of the base piece :


And then started making the grooves and such like last time:


This time, when I started drilling for the bore, I drilled right through 6mm, but then decided it wasn`t wide enough and moved from the plans, changing it to 10mm through the lid:


Then I started making the "extra" shielding piece:


Bored it right up, about .5mm away from the top where it will reduce down to the lid diameter:


Drilled the escape hole and then cut the thumb notch in the top:


So before polishing BUT just incase I couldn`t get them apart again, thought I`d take a pic of all the bits:
REMOVED

This is how the extra thumb screw looks in the lid, the spring allows it to be depressed by about 5mm and of course turned.


And here it is:


I`m really chuffed with it, it is very hard to open as the inner shield has to be perfectly aligned to allow the balls through even if the other bits are in line! I must admit however, that I`ve made a small error and took the inner groove 1mm too high towards the top so this allows it to open about 1.5mm, which is a bit more than I`d like. I think it`ll take some 8mm bearings rather than the 7.5mm currently in it so for £2 I`ll order some and see if they fit (without any more modification) and if they do, it`ll reduce the gap a bit. Anyway, that is being critical, it works a treat and doesn`t lift too much that it spoils anything!

I hope you like this second edition,  certainly a fun upgrade if you find anyone who can open the first puzzle! Just need to polish up the brass and it`ll be a winner.






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Re: Cylinder Puzzle - Finished Weekend Project! (lots of photos + plans)
« Reply #55 on: November 21, 2010, 08:36:45 AM »



Great puzzle Chris. Nice work. I would like to build one but can't get to the .pdf. Could you check the link, please.
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Re: Cylinder Puzzle - Finished Weekend Project! (lots of photos + plans)
« Reply #56 on: November 21, 2010, 10:09:41 AM »
Cheers Chuck, I think the pdf is back up and please post a pic if you make one!

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Re: Cylinder Puzzle - Finished Weekend Project! (lots of photos + plans)
« Reply #57 on: November 21, 2010, 10:31:06 AM »
Got it Chris. I'm off to the shop to find material.

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Re: Cylinder Puzzle - Finished Weekend Project! (lots of photos + plans)
« Reply #58 on: November 21, 2010, 10:32:16 AM »
 :headbang:

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Re: Cylinder Puzzle - Finished Weekend Project! (lots of photos + plans)
« Reply #59 on: November 21, 2010, 10:33:08 AM »
I highly recommend the second version and it only requires an extra piece and about 15 minutes more work! It is very difficult!

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Re: Cylinder Puzzle - Finished Weekend Project! (lots of photos + plans)
« Reply #60 on: November 25, 2010, 04:20:57 PM »
Hi Chris.

Theanks for posting that - I'm going to make one for my cousin for Chrimbo, it'll drive him wild I'm sure.

Is that a 'Hexacut' hacksaw you're using there? Looks like one I had a while back that I picked up on my travels but it was quite well worn and I ended up getting frustrated with it and bashed it up for scrap :D

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Re: Cylinder Puzzle - Finished Weekend Project! (lots of photos + plans)
« Reply #61 on: November 25, 2010, 04:27:09 PM »
Hi Pete, it is a Kennedy power hacksaw.

http://madmodder.net/index.php?topic=3570.0

I`ve been told that the top rail can wear but believe that a good solution it to replace the steel hex bar with slightly over size brass hex bar. As I can see, the oversize hex will take up the slack generated by the wearing away of the top rail and being brass, should slow down further wear. I guess it is irrelevant now as you`ve binned it!
I`ve had mine only a few months and it gets used most visits to the shop!

Please post some pics of your puzzle when complete. I`d go with the second version, it is amazing. I gave my mother-in-law the original puzzle and she solved it within a few hours. The second puzzle took her over a few days worth of sessions to crack!

Chris

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Re: Cylinder Puzzle - Finished Weekend Project! (lots of photos + plans)
« Reply #62 on: November 25, 2010, 04:31:17 PM »
Yep, that's what I had. It was pretty badly worn and I probably would have persevered with it if it wasn't for finding a fully working clarke bandsaw on a demo site and carting that home.

I'll post up pics of my puzzle when it's done for sure!

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Re: Cylinder Puzzle - Finished Weekend Project! (lots of photos + plans)
« Reply #63 on: November 27, 2010, 09:15:45 AM »
Hi Chris,  that's quite a work that puzzle, and I think if we were closer together I'd have to borrow some of that brass bar stock, that is a lucky find indeed :jaw:  I've not quite got to start the first puzzle, and the second addition is so intriguing I'm just going to have to bypass the first and get straight on to the second one.  I think in a keychain size it would be perfect for a gift, particularly for family, as they aren't allowed to curse you, at least not publicly.  That is quite an easy addition, yet so much a greater challenge.  I think the brass one will be the ticket, once it gets the full polish job. :headbang: :beer: mad jack

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Re: Cylinder Puzzle - Finished Weekend Project! (lots of photos + plans)
« Reply #64 on: November 30, 2010, 12:56:20 AM »
Chris,

This is probably a stupid question, but I need the answer!

On your drawing, the elevation of the lid piece shows a dimension of 1 mm. I cant work out what it relates to? :scratch:

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Re: Cylinder Puzzle - Finished Weekend Project! (lots of photos + plans)
« Reply #65 on: November 30, 2010, 07:07:47 AM »
Probably my poor effort of a drawing but it should relate to the fact that the hole is higher than the centre of the groove and ends about 1mm from where the lid is....



So in that picture, the hole should be end about 1mm from the shoulder of the lid. It is irrelevant really as long as the hole is high and not in the center of the groove. Hope that helps...as I said, just my poor effort of a drawing!

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Re: Cylinder Puzzle - Finished Weekend Project! (lots of photos + plans)
« Reply #66 on: November 30, 2010, 08:17:27 AM »
Chris,

Thanks, the mist has lifted. :beer:

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Re: Cylinder Puzzle - Finished Weekend Project! (lots of photos + plans)
« Reply #67 on: December 17, 2010, 11:48:41 PM »
Thought I would post with part 1 of my attempt at this puzzle.
I was trying out live tooling with the lathe.

 


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Re: Cylinder Puzzle - Finished Weekend Project! (lots of photos + plans)
« Reply #68 on: December 18, 2010, 06:45:06 AM »
Show off :D

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Re: Cylinder Puzzle - Finished Weekend Project! (lots of photos + plans)
« Reply #69 on: December 18, 2010, 07:14:43 AM »
That's not a Drummond round bed is it??

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Re: Cylinder Puzzle - Finished Weekend Project! (lots of photos + plans)
« Reply #70 on: December 18, 2010, 11:51:54 AM »
Bloody hell .....  :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

That was damn fast,  :ddb: took me over 30 minutes to make that part  :doh:

look forward to part 2.

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Re: Cylinder Puzzle - Finished Weekend Project! (lots of photos + plans)
« Reply #71 on: December 18, 2010, 03:08:47 PM »
That's not a Drummond round bed is it??

Nope, it's a Hwacheon Hi-eco 35 CNC Lathe, auto toolset, live tooling, and provisions for parts catcher and sub-spindle though sadly not installed.

I know, it's cheating somewhat, but it was a good exercise for me in programming and using live tooling. It wasn't but 2 months ago I hadn't even touched a lathe, manual or cnc.

I'll use the manual lathe to do my version of the cylinder puzzle, but for now here's a rendering.

The brass pieces are also moveable while the stainless steel band is stationary. The brass bands will have to line up in order to allow the middle brass piece to be pushed down, otherwise it will just spin.

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Re: Cylinder Puzzle - Finished Weekend Project! (lots of photos + plans)
« Reply #72 on: December 18, 2010, 03:43:53 PM »
I like it a lot!  How will the mechanism for that work?

I look forward to seeing it made! It would be good to see some info on your cnc machine and live tooling if you can find the time. I don`t consider cnc as cheating - it is just maching from a different angle IMO but I`m sure others will disagree. Anyhow.. looking good and can`t wait to see more...

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« Reply #73 on: December 18, 2010, 03:55:24 PM »
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Re: Cylinder Puzzle - Finished Weekend Project! (lots of photos + plans)
« Reply #74 on: December 18, 2010, 04:56:10 PM »
KE5AFU...

 :jaw: :jaw:

That CNC is nice. Makes that part fast! I want one of those machines...

The design of your puzzle,  :bow: very nice. When you start, are you willing to do a build thread? I would love to read it.

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