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Offline Brass_Machine

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Looking for someone who can weld aluminum
« on: August 25, 2010, 10:20:08 PM »
I am looking for someone who can weld aluminum. I have some work that needs to be welded on my motorcycle frame. Someone in the E. PA/NJ/S.E. NY/DE/MD/CT area who can do strong clean aluminum welding?

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Re: Looking for someone who can weld aluminum
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2010, 10:29:57 AM »
Sounds like you need some one who knows how to TIG weld aluminum.

To bad your not closer to me. I know a guy that TIG's aluminum. It's the way to go, nice and clean looking weld.

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Re: Looking for someone who can weld aluminum
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2010, 12:41:23 PM »
I know I guy that can do it, and do it well.  Unfortunately, it's up near me, so probably out of your way.
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Re: Looking for someone who can weld aluminum
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2010, 10:29:16 AM »
I could do it. Oh wait, It has to be clean and strong..... Nevermind :poke:
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Re: Looking for someone who can weld aluminum
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2010, 10:44:27 AM »
I am looking for someone who can weld aluminum. I have some work that needs to be welded on my motorcycle frame. Someone in the E. PA/NJ/S.E. NY/DE/MD/CT area who can do strong clean aluminum welding?

Eric,  This has been sitting here a while.  Just about any truck/trailer weld shop should be able to do the task.  Out this way (the Soviet of Washington) such shops charge $35 to $50 per hour usually with a 1 hour minimum charge.  Alternatively, ask your local industrial cutter grinder shop for information as to someone who can weld dies, jigs, and fixtures.  Such people do not need to advertise (so they don't spend the $$$) as they are magician caliber welders.  In western Washington State, there are seven such magician caliber welders distributed among some (about) 3 million general population.  There rates are a bit higher ($120/hour for the local one I use for such work), but they can be less expensive in the long run.

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Re: Looking for someone who can weld aluminum
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2010, 10:36:05 PM »
magician caliber welders

What a bunch of nonsense!

Eric, find a motorcycle shop that makes or works on frames.  There is no magic to it.  You just need a guy
who is familiar with MIG and motorcycles.  From the areas you listed, you probably have a number of
custom shops within reasonable driving distance, and most of them will employ a guy who's handy at pushing rod.

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Re: Looking for someone who can weld aluminum
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2010, 02:30:39 AM »
magician caliber welders

What a bunch of nonsense!

If you had bothered to read my post, first I suggested truck/trailer repair shops and then magician caliber welders.  Such people exist.  There are tasks appropriate to such skills.  As I have no idea what Eric's needs are (beyond the short listing), I wanted to be sure to cover all bases.

Someone who can weld a 14 inch diameter thin-wall 316 stainless arbor with less than .0015 total distortion qualifies as a magician rather than a welder.  Such people lie not too heavily upon the ground.  As I said, there are only 7 that I know of in all of western Washington State.  Learning how to find such people is a valuable skill.

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Re: Looking for someone who can weld aluminum
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2010, 05:59:30 AM »

If you had bothered to read my post, first I suggested truck/trailer repair shops and then magician caliber welders.  Such people exist.  There are tasks appropriate to such skills.  As I have no idea what Eric's needs are (beyond the short listing), I wanted to be sure to cover all bases.

Someone who can weld a 14 inch diameter thin-wall 316 stainless arbor with less than .0015 total distortion qualifies as a magician rather than a welder.  Such people lie not too heavily upon the ground.  As I said, there are only 7 that I know of in all of western Washington State.  Learning how to find such people is a valuable skill.

I concur: I know a chap who can oxy-acetelyne weld aluminium; basically because no-one told him you can't do that, he went ahead and learned anyway.
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Re: Looking for someone who can weld aluminum
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2010, 11:08:17 AM »
I concur: I know a chap who can oxy-acetelyne weld aluminium; basically because no-one told him you can't do that, he went ahead and learned anyway.

Ade,  One of the guys I worked with regularly (1972-1994) is the guy (Denny Andersen) who welded (he retired in 1996) rocket nozzles for NASA.  Rhenium to Waspalloy?  Not a problem (for Denny).  He would drive metallurgists out of what was left of their minds regularly.  The chemistry said, "This can't be done." -- and Denny would not only do it, but the joint would pass a full micro-crystallographic analysis with flying colors leaving multiple-PhD's shaking their heads in wonder.  This is art, not science.

Denny's "secret" (which he tried to share with everyone) is managing your heat.  I understand that intellectually, but cannot duplicate even the more common welds myself -- or, as Denny always told me, "There's nothing wrong with your welding that 5000 hours of practice won't cure."  This is why when people ask me if I can weld, my answer is, "I can melt metal, I can run a bead, but I am not a welder!"

I know another six magician class welders in western Washington State.  I have run into another 80-100 in other places over the past four decades.  Such people leave me in awe of their craft skills.

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Re: Looking for someone who can weld aluminum
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2010, 12:57:55 AM »
I once knew a welder in Georgia somewhere that did an amazing job with just about everything he welded. Was told he could weld Aluminum to water...  almost believable with his work. I guess what Lew is saying something like this Magician = Master.

Most welders who do motorcycle frames do steel chopper/harley frames. I called a couple of shops and got the run "we don't weld on aluminum frames" I know there a few out there who do sportbike stuff. Wish I was in the UK, they have a bunch of people I would take it to. I am sure if I go down to the local welder, someone there can do it. I am looking for perfection. Whoever does it, doesn't have to be familiar with bikes... just a perfectionist.

Was hoping someone might know somebody local to me that I would trust. My friend on a race team says he has someone who can do it...
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Re: Looking for someone who can weld aluminum
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2010, 02:52:24 AM »
I once knew a welder in Georgia somewhere that did an amazing job with just about everything he welded. Was told he could weld Aluminum to water...  almost believable with his work. I guess what Lew is saying something like this Magician = Master.

Not quite, a normal Master's card requires one to do virtually anything the science says can be done.  A magician-class person goes beyond science.  The first one of these I ran into a an Army Master Sargent by the name of Bill Brown.  I had just completed my thee-quarter sequence in metallurgy.  The Metal's Handbook stated rather firmly that steel may not be welded to titanium.  Bill not only did it, but it qualified under NBS/NASA scrutiny as a 100% metallurgical bond under electron microscope analysis.  The technique has since been "recognized" by ASM and AWS, but at the time it was considered to be impossible.

I still blush when I think about my having called Sgt. Brown a liar...