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our trade goes by. its a shame
tinkerer:
Bogs,
Right on brother. An associate degree is equivelant to the high school diploma of years ago. The advance placement classes they offer in high school now are the same classes I took in the 50's as part of the regular curriculum. They are teaching down to the ones not willing to apply themselves just to meet the mandates handed down by government. I believe the answer lies in private schools and technical training for those that will not attend higher education universities. Then the educated will employ the skilled, as it used to be.
bogstandard:
Chris,
It wasn't aimed at you personally, and I do recognise the bit about students.
--- Quote ---All the children need is some good parental and state discipline
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In my statement, that was the first thing to be put right.
BRING BACK THE SLIPPER FOR KIDS FROM 6 UP TO 11, THE CANE AFTER THAT UNTIL 16, THEN PUBLIC FLOGGING, BRANDING AND HANGING.
Before 6, that would depend on the parents, then after that it should come under public control in schools. I personally would pay to have a go at carrying out the last bits.
Doesn't it show how much I love modern day delinquents kids.
Bogs
mklotz:
--- Quote ---I couldn't believe the report that my grandson had from his school. Almost every teacher had spelling mistakes, bad grammar and appauling punctuation in their handwritten (very bad handwriting as well) reports. How can they teach children, when they have the same basic standards of education I was at when I was 12 or 13.
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Why are you surprised, John? Look at the appalling (note spelling, please) writing one sees from native English speakers on this and most other online fora. These are mostly older folks who went to school when something was still being taught there yet the level of their writing is pitiful. Yet, if one mentions it, one is shouted down - it's OK because it's informal, I don't have time to worry about writing, et cetera ad nauseum. Do you really expect the youngsters to think it's important to learn to write (or do mathematics) when their parents and grandparents can't even be bothered to proofread what they've written, much less learn how to correct their childish, obvious and constantly recurring mistakes?
--- Quote ---I have worked with university engineering graduates who, if they went to pick their noses, I would dread to think where their finger would eventually end up. They hadn't a clue. But they were given preference over a 50 odd year old highly skilled man, who could do their job backwards without even breaking into a sweat, and who had hardly any formal qualifications, except for a good engineering background.
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I'm sick to death of you old timers ragging on university graduates. Today, a university degree is required to assure the employer that the individual is even modestly literate and capable of doing simple sums. You old timers were the people who created this situation by demeaning the need for skills outside of the narrow requirements of your particular trade. Now it's come back to haunt you.
Lead by example, not by geriatric ranting about the mistakes you helped create.
I'll probably get thrown off this forum for writing this but I don't really care. I'm one of you old timers and I've been ranting for a lifetime about how bad mouthing education will eventually lead to a situation where education is no longer valued. It seems we've arrived.
CrewCab:
--- Quote from: mklotz on October 26, 2009, 05:06:24 PM ---I'll probably get thrown off this forum for writing this
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Nope, you'll have to try harder than that Marv ................... so we all agree ............. It's down to (re) education ........... :scratch:
Now how do we put it right :smart:
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John Hill:
--- Quote from: bogstandard on October 26, 2009, 04:57:43 PM ---Chris,
It wasn't aimed at you personally, and I do recognise the bit about students.
In my statement, that was the first thing to be put right.
BRING BACK THE SLIPPER FOR KIDS FROM 6 UP TO 11, THE CANE AFTER THAT UNTIL 16, THEN PUBLIC FLOGGING, BRANDING AND HANGING.
Before 6, that would depend on the parents, then after that it should come under public control in schools. I personally would pay to have a go at carrying out the last bits.
Doesn't it show how much I love modern day delinquents kids.
Bogs
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Right on Bogs, I am with you all the way. Even I remember from my school days there were a few of the girls I would have liked to give a good spanking! :lol:
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