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Darren:
I don't Chris, wish I could but I'm tone deaf....

That's why I ran a HiFi company :lol:, mostly designing and manufacturing new items for the vinyl market. I also build ampliers....valve ones.

NickG:
This is stupid, if you win an auction it's supposed to be legally binding, you can't go back and to a normal auction and take something back .. it's sold as seen, you make your own mind up about the description and the sellers feedback, that's what it's for. But then I suppose there are so many traders on ebay these days I guess you need some sort of buyer protection, it's more of a shop now, not an auction site. However, if they are going to do this, it shouldn't be until the dispute is resolved and the item is returned in the same condition that money should change hands again. The stipulation should be that you need to send the item back recorded delivery and submit the proof of that before you get any kind of refund. It's pathetic and I don't think I'll risk selling on there again. Like you said there's no way around the paypal thing either by the sounds of it.

Nick

No1_sonuk:
Threaten legal action against ebay/Paypal for breach of their own rules.

The police (and national newspapers) might also be interested in their efforts to perpetuate fraud.

Darren:
No good,

The police, and national newspapers, are well aware of the problems. In fact Australia has recently passes a new law against Ebay forcing the use of PayPal I believe for those very reasons.

Until that happens here there is not much we can do about it. Ebay will just make a new policy agreement as they seem to do on a monthly basis to their advantage.
It all comes down to neither Ebay or PayPay being a bank, so therefore they do not have to abide by banking regulations and no-one can make them.

The only way out is to use your feet where it hurts, but even that is no so simple. But, main sellers are leaving judging by the lack of second hand items to be found listed on Ebay today.

The place is no longer looking like an auction house, more a big store for new items.

I think the simple answer is not to take the risk of listing all together and be done with it......I still want my money though...it is mine, not theirs to play with.



Imagine, if just one million people had their funds taken from their accounts and held for the obligatory 30 days before a resolution is made. How much of that could be used by PayPal to be re-invested elsewhere to make further profits.

Maybe Paypal actually want disputes.......would be a good strategy business wise. It's nothing more than theft.....but who cares.....

No1_sonuk:
"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

The more complaints the police get, the more likely they are to do something about it.
Yours might be the one that puts the number over the threshold.

Is "Watchdog" still on?  This is the kind of thing they might go after.

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