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Darren:
There are enough Ebay bashing sites abound, and perhaps I should not post this at all....

But I can't just stay silent....if you are about to sell even just one item on Ebay then you should perhaps read the rest of this post.


The problem is a combination of Ebay sellers no-longer being allowed to leave feedback on sales and Paypal protection policies.

It goes like this......
you sell an item of X value (could be any amount large or small)
Buyer pays for item using Paypal
You post item
Buyer claims non receipt and Paypal remove funds from you acc instantly. (If it's not in your PP acc they will take the amount from your bank)
Paypal then insist you provide tracking information for the parcel. (you didn't use tracking, tough you loose. You did use a tracking service, tough you still loose)

Why, you have the tracking No' to prove delivery and receipt. Well don't bother trying to take it up with Paypal because no-one is actually reading anything you send them. The whole process is automated even though they give you a box to comment in.

If and only if the buyer ticks the box that states they are finally satisfied with the outcome will Paypal re-deposit the funds back into your account.
If the buyer simply doesn't respond or states they still don't have the goods (despite the proof you have that they signed for it) then after 30 days the money is deposited into their account.

You loose the item and your money and postage costs.




Most people believe they are protected if PP is used for payment. Nothing could be further from the truth.



Try it, order something and then claim non receipt. 99% of the time you'll have the goods and get to keep your cash..........
(I don't mean that, just putting another slant on the issue)


This is rife on Ebay at the mo, google it and you'll find plenty of info about this issue.

Just be careful out there, money is not so easy for some of us to come by.

usn ret:
It seems that there is always some  :wack: pond skum  :wack: out there to mess up a good deal for the rest of us. :( . In Texas we had a saying that might help "Get a rope!!!" :ddb: :ddb:
Cliff :beer:

No1_sonuk:
I wonder how long before Paypal get prosecuted for aiding fraud.

Barefoot-Leather:
You will be pleased to know that PayPal have another slant on your scam. I got caught with this today after selling some nice bits on the bay:

PayPal email starts:

You've received a payment, detailed below. We've placed a temporary hold on the funds for this transaction.

eBay and PayPal are working together to make it safer than ever to buy on eBay. One of the boldest steps is to identify transactions that pose the greatest risk of fraud and holding the payments from sellers for a period of time to help ensure that the transactions go smoothly.

We'll release the payment for the eBay item if either of the following occurs:

The buyer leaves you positive feedback on eBay.
It's been 21 days since the payment date and you haven't received a dispute, claim, chargeback, or reversal on the transaction being held
Additional hold period

If you receive a dispute, claim, chargeback, or reversal on the transaction, we may hold the payment until the problem is resolved.

Learn more about the PayPal policy on payment holds for eBay items.

We will notify you by email when the funds are released. You can also check the status of the hold in your Transaction History.

Payment Details

Amount (pending): 217.77 GBP

Email ends.

Effectively this means that if the buyer doesn't give you positive feedback, PayPal will hold on to your money for at least for 21 days. I called them to ask if they were intending to pay me interest on the money they had stolen. I was told that no interest will be paid as this is just our normal policy and is detailed in our trading terms.

Well, it may be detailed in their trading terms but I musta missed it! Silly me - I was expecting honest and transparent banking policies...

For what it is worth, the answer is pretty simple - if it happens to you don't post anything, issue an instant refund to the buyer then ask them to send a cheque (or in my case, make a payment to another PayPal account held for this very purpose). As you may have guessed, I've had hassle with the buggers before.

The refund went through and the other payment was made without a murmur... odd that!

Ray

Divided he ad:
Banking scum!



Everyone is out to screw the little guy. It doesn't take long for them to start stealing again does it!?

I hate the way they hold your money when you deposit a cheque at the bank just so they can play the exchange and gamble with it!



I'll not be using "pay scam " when I sell some of my stuff soon.... Cheque or C.O.D! 





Ralph.

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