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What is wrong?
shred:
I'd suggest part of the problem is this forum isn't like most of the internet machining forums-- the bigger, easier to find ones where newbie-flaming is a well-practiced art form. Got a machine from the wrong country? You suck. Don't agree with the Mighty Guru? You're wrong.... You know the forums... Anybody that's been through that :zap: is going to be very careful about posting anywhere and might just hang out and quietly suck up all the info they can.
Cedge had a good post about the few forums that do think somebody's first wobbler engine and 7x12 lathe is cool and don't immediately drop a 'here's my shinier, fancier, better one' post right on top of it. There aren't many.
foozer:
--- Quote from: bogstandard on July 16, 2009, 01:49:23 PM ---I honestly don't think we give the impression of being holier than thou. In fact I apologise at times for showing and using some of the shop equipment I have, not my fault, its all I've got to work with. We can't all have the smallest and most basic machines in the world.
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Lurker here. I learn a lot from what is posted here. I haven't a clue as to metal types, what to expect from cutting em, but watching the curls come off is fascinating.
So I try to use what I have to get two pieces fit together. Sounds a lot easier than it really is. What I'm working with is an old AA109 aka boat anchor, and more than once it was headed for the sea. But it is improving as I practice more (still better to blame the machine)
Tried to make a fancy flywheel once. Little thing figured mount it on a face plate at an angle, get some weird offset faces and cut the spokes with the double tapered look. Ha! Boy did that get ugly real quick. Salvaged what material I could and ended up with an insert type with a taper lock hub. An idea from this board. With your writeup on flywheel making using soft jaw chuck, I went out and got one. I love that silly little thing.
Current is trying one of itty bitty rocker/thimble engines, tiny pieces, so started on the axle piece. I cant even focus on em but what the heck. It is good practice in getting the numbers right. Smaller the part, less room for error.
So the post the regulars do make are not in vain. I'm sure that like myself the information is taken in, posting my amateurish attempts, well . . .
Robert
bogstandard:
--- Quote ---I watched this maliase happen on HMEM a while ago.
Now it seems to be infecting this forum.
ELITEISM.
BR
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BR, unless I have been wearing the wrong glasses, I have never seen a single incident of elitism on here. Everyone who has asked a question, in my mind, has been given a fair answer without reverting to 'well you must go out and buy such and such to carry out the job'. I my opinion everyone (except in one case) has been shown what to do with the bits they have to hand with no malice or holier than thou thoughts showing through.
You might have confused elitism with a group of the same members doing all the posting on this site.
It is nothing to do with elitism, it is just a fact of life that a few core members are doing their level best to keep the site interesting, and the rest of the membership just sitting back on their ar**s and not responding to anything.
I can tell you now, those core members are spending most of their free time, making up posts, scratching around for ideas and articles that just might keep the members coming back. Not elitism at all, just a group of people dedicated to keeping the site interesting, FREE OF ELITISM, and where members can get assistance if they need it.
It is not our fault that the normal membership can't be bothered to write a short comment every now and again.
With regards to HMEM, that was recognised many moons ago, and was brought into public discussion by myself, and was shouted down and ignored. It seems exactly the same thing is happening here.
Bury your heads in the sand, and let natural progression take it's course was the order of the day.
You now have a HMEM that will never be able to revert to it's original goals, where 'holier than thou' and 'elitism' reigns.
So much for natural progression.
--- Quote ---John
Is this recurring desire to chew on this same old bone a seasonal thing with or do you do it at random intervals. It's getting almost too predictable. Let the board be what it is and stop with the whining already.
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I do love these open discussions Steve, unfortunatley you are totally wrong this time.
This time, I am just the gob on the front, the one who raised the issue.
A few of the 'elite' prolific posters have had a few private discussions in the background, I am sure you can find a way of making even that illegal, and have basically come to the same conclusion. We break our backs, like you do, making all sorts of things, and spend most of our waking lives making up posts to be shown on here. Only to have it all ignored by all and sundry.
Then why do it you may ask. We want to see the site survive and flourish, but it seems like the rest of the membership don't want that to happen.
If they just want information, then I suggest they go out and buy a book. This forum is about showing what we do, in a light hearted and informative way. If the membership can't be bothered to respond to what is being shown, then why should we even bother to make up the posts in the first place?
Without feedback, how are we to know what the membership thinks, and what they want to see. I don't think any of us who do technical posts are clairvoyant, it should be up to the members who are reading our ramblings to let us know what they want.
--- Quote ---Let the board be what it is and stop with the whining already
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I am very sorry but this just doesn't cut it this time Steve, please read the above reply to BR's statement.
I would just like to add a thank you to Foozer above, for taking a bit of time out to let us know what he gets out of the site, and any comments like that are deeply appreciated.
Keep up the good work Foozer.
Bogs
cedge:
Bogster
We'll have to agree to disagree. I've watched this scenario played on several boards and it always ends in the same manner. This time I'm sitting by and let it run its course. I'm not the engineer on this particular train.
I will call foul on the elitism comments... for both boards. I've been on the elitist controlled boards and neither of these venues comes even close to being guilty of that sin. If moderators holding posters to certain standards of safety and civil behavior is a sign of elitism, then your definition is badly skewed.
Steve
sbwhart:
Hi Robert
Thanks for you input and comments, that fly wheel looks interesting your second picture especially I can see what you were trying to do, a pity it didn't come off, the basic idea seemed OK, perhaps you could have another go some time, you have to try these things and learn as you go.
Cheers
Stew
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