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Rocketronics electronic leadscrew
« on: April 13, 2023, 11:37:31 AM »
Hi all
I have just bit the bullet and ordered the complete Rocketronics leadscrew kit because my hand are getting worse, I have looked at lots of YouTube videos on the subject and although expensive when leadscrew and crosslide are automated it will do a lot of turning and threading automatically, I havenít received the kit yet because itís coming from Germany.
It looks like I will be able to fit closed loop stepper behind headstock and the encoder where the change wheels were and all without drill ing hole or cutting anything out but we will see.
This is the same kit I have ordered

 
 
 


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Re: Rocketronics electronic leadscrew
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2023, 01:45:46 PM »
Looks like an interesting project - do keep us up to date  :thumbup:
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Re: Rocketronics electronic leadscrew
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2023, 03:09:13 PM »
As I havenít received the parts yet I canít do to much although tracking saying itís in UK and I have made the mounting for the stepper with adjustment fore and aft and to tension the belt, I will take a picture tomorrow.
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Re: Rocketronics electronic leadscrew
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2023, 11:00:50 AM »
I am keen to see how it works!
Science is fun.

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Re: Rocketronics electronic leadscrew
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2023, 02:39:05 PM »
Here is the picture of the steeper mounting on the back of the headstock using the two original motor mount bolts, yes I know I drilled the plate in the wrong place but as itís only a foot plate to mount the motor I am not too worried about it, the pulleyís turns up today and what a load of crap they are , that will teach me to buy cheap, ordered some replacements from a different company and the others are going back.
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Re: Rocketronics electronic leadscrew
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2023, 02:40:43 PM »
Not sure where the picture got to.

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Re: Rocketronics electronic leadscrew
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2023, 12:39:21 PM »
Well the parts turned up today from Rocketronics after a delay due to HMRC wanting an extra £160 vat and import duty ( ripoff Britain again) , the new pulleyís have been posted, got the second set from a company in Rugby so should be here by the W/E so now the fun begins, watch this space🤪
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Re: Rocketronics electronic leadscrew
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2023, 01:29:36 PM »
Were you unaware of the import duty and VAT when you made your purchase decision ?
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Re: Rocketronics electronic leadscrew
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2023, 01:40:06 PM »
I purchased over £500 worth of goods from PeWe tools in Germany about two months ago without any extra vat or duty, so no I wasnít expecting it but itís done now and I hope it lives up to expectations.
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Re: Rocketronics electronic leadscrew
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2023, 11:06:49 AM »
A bit of an update on the journey Got a bit more done to the ELS but still waiting for the pulleyís to turn up , supposed to have been here Friday according to tracking just shows itís not worth paying extra for next day delivery, anyway the stepper is fitted and the encoder, need to change the cap head on the stepper to countersink when they get here .
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Re: Rocketronics electronic leadscrew
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2023, 02:09:23 PM »
am hoping someone on here is up on electronics, I am a bit confused the connection from driver to ELS said can be wired directly or alternatively use an Rj45 but driver end has red to pul+,dir+,and ena+, but if I use Rj45 ( although I am not ) it wonít have red piggybacked so do I need to do that or would it be linked internally?
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Re: Rocketronics electronic leadscrew
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2023, 04:14:04 PM »
Hi Dell,

I'm sure you need to connect PUL+, DIR+ and ENA+ on your drive together and to the +5v on your ELS. (As in the diagram.)

The driver will have an opto-isolator input and the ELS will ground the other side of the opto when the output is active.

Cheers.

Phil.

EDIT: Here's a diagram of a typical controller/driver interconnection showing the opto-isolators on the input to the driver:

« Last Edit: May 04, 2023, 08:04:22 AM by philf »
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Re: Rocketronics electronic leadscrew
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2023, 10:40:52 AM »
Thanks for that philf
Finally finished fitting the X stepper today, the end of the leadscrew had no thread on the last 12mm but was tapered so I turned it true using a graver then used a length of 10mm silver steel bored a hole to suit the leadscrew and then drilled both for a pin but I also used locktite, so that is all the mechanical work finished now also been doing some of the wiring while I am waiting for the new encoder to arrive .
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Re: Rocketronics electronic leadscrew
« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2023, 03:32:55 AM »
am trying to get to grips with my Rocketronics ELS ( threading) there are a few parameters I need to put into the controller before auto threading, pitch (metric ), ( if imperial tpi convert to metric) length of thread, depth of cut, angle of cut, itís the depth of thread I am having trouble with, a google search turns up 6 or more formulas for working out, same on YouTube so I am totally confused ( not difficult at my age ) , if it wasnít auto threading it would be a trial & error method cut try a nut cut and so on, I am sure someone on here will have a definitive answer.
Some of the clocks pre 1900 I do the manufacture had there own thread forms and they were made using thread plates and although I have some they donít cover all manufacturers, it would be nice to also be able to work out a way to find the pitch and form of them as well , I know I can use a pitch gauge to find something near but is there a formula for doing it, for example did they all use tpi per inch or something else.
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Re: Rocketronics electronic leadscrew
« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2023, 03:34:46 AM »
Sorry not the best of videos but shows itís working

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Re: Rocketronics electronic leadscrew
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2023, 07:14:00 AM »
Hi Dell,

You're walking into a minefield!

Here's a link to a table for radial infeed:

https://data.mmc-carbide.com/7416/5908/8328/tec_threading_depth_external_en-gl.pdf

However it only works for radial infeed (i.e. x-axis only feed and not feeding in at 1/2 the thread angle) and it only works when the thread cutting tool has the correct radius for the pitch and type of thread.

Radial infeed is OK for fine threads.

CNCCOOKBOOK have a thread calculator but you need to have bought a copy of their Gwizard feeds and speeds calculator to be able to download and use it. I've not yet looked at it to see if it will do what you want. I perhaps will later.

Cheers.

Phil.

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Re: Rocketronics electronic leadscrew
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2023, 12:24:49 PM »
Hello Dell. Not visited MM for quite a while, but today came across your post here about the Rocketronics ELS. I notice you have not posted since your question about threading.
I have a Rocketronics ELS fitted to a 13'' Taiwanese lathe, fitted it about three years ago. Have found it very good when just hogging material down to near size. Saves a lot of repetitive work. Threading is one of its most useful features, although it does take some initial trial threads to be cut to establish the parameters that need to be entered. I mainly use full form carbide inserts, which makes things a little easier. If using general purpose threading inserts, then you do need to establish the nose radius for each make of insert used, as they all seem to vary.
Be interested to know how you are getting on with it.