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Sieg X2 and Sealey Sm2502
Darren:
The SM25 is not an X2, totally different machines...
The X2 is the same as a SM2502
And the SM25 is smaller than the SM30 or 31 as is now sold.
It's all very confusing.... :scratch:
bogstandard:
--- Quote ---This machine is in the same boat as the X2, painted in different colours, with a different brand name, but it's still the same BLEEDIN machine. It's called badge engineering, so the reseller can RIP you off, if you aren't aware, of what it is that they are selling you.
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Actually, you will find, even though the machines all look exactly the same and come from the same factory/factories, they are in fact built to customer requirements. That is why you get differing sizes of motors, beds, accessories, quality of bearings etc. Not so much with the X2, there are only subtle differences between retailers, but other models can have dramatic changes done to them.
For an example, have a look at the Chester Conquest.
http://www.chesteruk.net/store/conquest_mill.htm
Maybe only subtle differences, but not the same as run of the mill machines (excuse the pun), the most notable bit is the air strut, not standard on other suppliers machines. So what else is different?
With regards to other 'Sieg' based machines, why was Darrens lathe like a casting from hell while Chris's machine had a perfect bed?
One can only assume if they are being made in the same factory, they are being assembled and fitted out to customers requirements, that is if the customer wants to pay for a load of cheap crap, and sell them cheap, then he will get all the bad bits on his machines, someone who wants a better specced machine, pays the extra, gets a better build quality and passes the cost onto the customer.
With regards to cost from a supplier, if you noticed what I said to Chris about the Sealey mill, and how they are so much more expensive. They might only buy say 10 machines at a time, so have to pay a lot more than someone who buys a 100 machines. I am not supporting Sealey's prices, but would you sell them at a loss just to keep up with cheaper retailers? When you know you can shift 10 machines in say a year to people who don't go price shopping for everything they buy. Their big customers are most probably placing orders for thousands of pounds worth of tooling, and a few hundred squid here and there makes no difference to them, it is all passed onto their customers. That is why garages keep putting their prices up, you are paying for the upkeep of their workshops as well.
You actually have to look at every angle before shouting out that retailers are ripping us off.
Why can you buy a morse taper sleeve from one model engineering supplier for 3 squid when it might cost 6 from another?
It is all to do with the specifications of the item and how many were purchased from the manufacturer. That is why one mill costs 400 and another 700.
Bogs
raynerd:
Just to go down another route - I have been reading a few posts on the net where people have recommended a Sieg XL1 super rather than X2 due to greater travel. Apparently not quite as suitable as the X2 for steel, but still is possible to machine with small cuts. So apparently larger travel and a cheaper price still - all though both Axminster and ArcEuro seem to be out of stock at present (and going back to the X2 - ArcEuro don`t sell them at all any more which concerns me)
Sorry, I know the questions are flowing again - but the repsonses have been excellent.
Chris
raynerd:
.....in preverbial jest - "calm down, calm down" but that image won`t mean anything unless your from the UK!
sorry :zap:
Just in fear of my previous question being lost - I am interested to hear your responses re: XL1 and X2.
--- Quote ---Just to go down another route - I have been reading a few posts on the net where people have recommended a Sieg XL1 super rather than X2 due to greater travel. Apparently not quite as suitable as the X2 for steel, but still is possible to machine with small cuts. So apparently larger travel and a cheaper price still - all though both Axminster and ArcEuro seem to be out of stock at present (and going back to the X2 - ArcEuro don`t sell them at all any more which concerns me)
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Brass_Machine:
Guys...
Written communication is much more difficult than verbal. There are parts of the process missing... body language, tone etc...
Please review what you write so it isn't taken badly by other people reading your posts.
Remember, while this board is a public club and anyone can join... It is privately owned and has rules. This board will remain civil.
Thanks for your cooperation.
Eric
Now, let's carry on with the modding! :nrocks:
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